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Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
RCP ^ | November 18th, 2013 | Fox News Special Report

Posted on 11/19/2013 9:16:51 AM PST by Third Person

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Senator, when Obamacare was at issue, a month ago, when it came to a continuing resolution to funding the government you supported a filibuster of other Senators, who demanded that you had to have a change or the abolition of Obamacare as a condition for funding the government. In retrospect do you think that was a good strategy? But even more importantly --looking ahead, the deadlines are coming up, the resolution's going to run out, we're going to hit the debt ceiling soon -- would you be prepared to use same tactic as we approach the new deadlines? SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Well, I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.

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Rand, Rand, Rand...
1 posted on 11/19/2013 9:16:51 AM PST by Third Person
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To: Third Person

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Sad, but funny.

Rand Paul, we had such high hopes for you, and lately, you seem to stoop to whatever level you need to to disappoint conservatives, and signal your loyalty to the GOP-E.


2 posted on 11/19/2013 9:19:16 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Third Person

He’s been getting a little too close with Mitch McConnell. I’m starting to view Rand with skepticism.


3 posted on 11/19/2013 9:19:52 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: Third Person

Buh bye, Rand.

We hardly knew ye.


4 posted on 11/19/2013 9:20:40 AM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Third Person

Like father like son...


5 posted on 11/19/2013 9:20:52 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Third Person

“Rand Paul On Shutdown: “Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea”

It appeared that you were participating in it because you were participating in it.


6 posted on 11/19/2013 9:21:51 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Third Person

And in case we didn’t know Rand was a moron posing as a prez contender...

we do now.


7 posted on 11/19/2013 9:22:31 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Third Person

Rand, if you are going to ride the fence like that, wear a cup.


8 posted on 11/19/2013 9:23:57 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Third Person

The democrats shut down government.


9 posted on 11/19/2013 9:24:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Because highlighting the failures of Obamacare was a bad idea until the Democrats got onboard to demand its repeal.

Dumba$$.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 9:25:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Third Person

That certainly narrows the field.


11 posted on 11/19/2013 9:25:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Third Person
So does this mean he's going to do something when the debt ceiling issue comes around or is he going to half-ass participate and shoot spitballs from the sidelines

again

12 posted on 11/19/2013 9:26:11 AM PST by Pietro
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13 posted on 11/19/2013 9:26:14 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Third Person

Wow, what a backstabber!


14 posted on 11/19/2013 9:26:17 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Scott Walker!!!!


15 posted on 11/19/2013 9:26:53 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Third Person

First, Scott Walker…now Rand Paul…..many having CRUZ MISSILE envy lately….


16 posted on 11/19/2013 9:27:29 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Third Person

Is this the guy who produced that terrific fillibuster? I’m going with that guy, if you please.


17 posted on 11/19/2013 9:28:23 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Third Person
There were a lot of folks wondering who they would support in 2016 if it came to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz...seems to me that Rand did a lot of those folks a favor and settled that question.

Ted Cruz for President in 2016!

18 posted on 11/19/2013 9:28:35 AM PST by pgkdan (Stay Calm and Cruz on! Ted Cruz for President in 2016!)
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To: DLfromthedesert
Scott Walker!!!!

No. Walker is for amnesty, which is an incredibly indefensible, destructive and irrational position that can only be the final nail in this country's coffin.

19 posted on 11/19/2013 9:29:09 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The shutdown was a dumb idea.

It cost billions of dollars and accomplished nothing.


20 posted on 11/19/2013 9:30:22 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Mashood

He was agin it befer he was fer it.


21 posted on 11/19/2013 9:30:54 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Third Person

He’s gone RINO. He has decided to join the losers.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 9:31:57 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Timber Rattler

“what a backstabber”

Huh? Do you know anyone who was in favor of the shutdown?


23 posted on 11/19/2013 9:32:52 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Third Person

well just d@##. This is disappointing to hear.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 9:33:14 AM PST by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: pgkdan

Ted Cruz is certainly clearer. He says he was not for the shutdown because he was for funding all parts of the government except Obamacare. Not sure how much clearer anyone can make the GOP position.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 9:33:23 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: SoConPubbie

Looks like Rand has moved from Tea Party to GOPe.
Sad.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 9:33:31 AM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Yeah, me and about everybody else on this board except you.


27 posted on 11/19/2013 9:34:14 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: tennmountainman

Do they threaten these guys? Threaten their children? How does this stuff happen again and again? There is ZERO doubt Rand Paul knows the score and knows what we are up against.


28 posted on 11/19/2013 9:35:43 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It’s really disappointing that so many of our workhorses aren’t solidly behind Cruz. Wonder why? Why did Cuccinelli distance himself from Ted?


29 posted on 11/19/2013 9:35:43 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Third Person

It would require a 25% spending cut to balance the federal budget (assuming that a tax increase wouldn’t wouldn’t work because it wouldn’t increase revenue). Now I have to assume that Rand Paul would consider that an even dumber idea.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 9:37:12 AM PST by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
What is in the water in DC?

Let me see now........he was for it before he was against it.......

These guys are witnessing the single biggest opportunity to win the favor of the American public since Reagan, and instead of pointing out constantly and consistently the evils of Bambicare and the progressive totalitarian philosophy, they fumble around like buffoons trying to ingratiate themselves with the DNC media.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

31 posted on 11/19/2013 9:37:19 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The shutdown was a dumb idea.

And of course you realize that it was Harry Reid who actually shut down the government and not Cruz and Lee...right?

32 posted on 11/19/2013 9:37:38 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Third Person
Actually -- with the revelations of Obama's Disaster -- the shutdown looks BRILLIANT, in retrospect.

But, far be it from Rand to step up and accept the accolades.

33 posted on 11/19/2013 9:38:20 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: JediJones

Him and his naturally curly hair.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 9:38:29 AM PST by Mashood
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To: txhurl

“many of our workhorses aren’t solidly behind Cruz”

Cruz always said he was against the shutdown. He joined rallies to reopen the Washington monuments, etc.. You have been misinformed about his position.


35 posted on 11/19/2013 9:40:13 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The shutdown was a dumb idea. It cost billions of dollars and accomplished nothing.

Incorrect. It put us firmly on the side of being Anti-Obamacare and the Dems for it.

And in the coming year, you will see why that is so important.

36 posted on 11/19/2013 9:40:59 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Timber Rattler

“And of course you realize that it was Harry Reid who actually shut down the government and not Cruz and Lee...right?”

Exactly. And you are in favor of the shutdown, defend what they did, called Rand a backstabber, etc..


37 posted on 11/19/2013 9:43:08 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Third Person

We’ve got the Democrats on the ropes and what does Rand do?

He changes the focus back to Republicans cutting entitlements. Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are the best election strategists that the democrats have.


38 posted on 11/19/2013 9:43:19 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


39 posted on 11/19/2013 9:44:40 AM PST by nutmeg (ObamaCare: Yet another disaster brought to you by the democRATic party)
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To: Third Person

Strike Two !


40 posted on 11/19/2013 9:49:10 AM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: DannyTN

The shutdown was over Obamacare. Obamacare is a disaster. What part of this does Rand Paul not understand?


41 posted on 11/19/2013 9:56:47 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Uhm, no I haven’t. What I’m saying is I wish more of our conservative workhorses (Walker, Cuccinelli, Perry etc) were solidly behind Cruz... or even on board with him.


42 posted on 11/19/2013 9:57:35 AM PST by txhurl
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To: BarnacleCenturion
It cost billions of dollars and accomplished nothing.

Really had no intention of writing replies today until I saw that comment.

The shutdown was essentially a neutral event financially...Where do you see costs?

Government procurement and it's related contracts are costs as they confiscate money from the private sector to pay for it. Money that could have been used to fund economic growth...

There was no increased or decreased costs. All the payroll was paid, all the contracts survived, and nobody other than people who thrive on government services were inconvenienced at all, if only temporarily..

You got that opinion from the media, did you not? You know....the same media that makes up stuff to create a narrative so that they can report on it.

If I were totally dependent for a salary, or business from the Federal government, I would be making changes now...because later will be too late.

There will come a point in time where this government can no longer function. It's fiat money will be of no value for any purchase other than at the government store, and shortly after that, there will be no more stores or services..It will all be ashes. Those who are so dependent on government that they cannot cut the cord will surely die...and the government won't be there to save your sorry butts...

43 posted on 11/19/2013 10:01:32 AM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: txhurl

I’ve heard that, but I also heard it was not true…I frankly do not know (whether Cooch distanced himself from ted)


44 posted on 11/19/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Mashood

He was against it before he was for it.


45 posted on 11/19/2013 10:09:19 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well, we didn’t see Sarah or Ted in VA, just Ron Paul... we should have won that seat. Probably did, too, except for fraud.


46 posted on 11/19/2013 10:09:41 AM PST by txhurl
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To: SoConPubbie

showing that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Can only fake it so long and the reality of him comes to the front...


47 posted on 11/19/2013 10:11:12 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Third Person

So, Rand is a go-along-to-get-along type of guy?

If he has no backbone to stand for what he supports or is against, why would we expect him to have any backboad in the future?


48 posted on 11/19/2013 10:27:48 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: Third Person

His appearance on the Fox Panel last night was not his finest hour. When Krauthammer turned the subject to foreign policy and specifically Iran, he turned into his father, before then turning into jelly.


49 posted on 11/19/2013 10:35:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Third Person

Rand Paul is NOT A CONSERVATIVE!

His followers need to wake up. Hint: Randmesty folks need to Read SunkenCiv post...


50 posted on 11/19/2013 10:37:36 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (2014: Real Conservatives Only, Please)
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