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North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood
NBCDFW ^ | November 19, 2013 | Scott Gordon

Posted on 11/19/2013 2:31:36 PM PST by Ken H

Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.

It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was. "I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said

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An agency spokeswoman sent an email confirming the government is conducting the surveys in 30 cities across the country in an effort to reduce impaired-driving accidents.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcdfw.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 100percentvoluntary; 100voluntary; communism; dnaroadblock; donutwatch; fortworth; ftworth; nhtsa; obamasfault; policestate; roadblock; stasi; taxdollarsatwork; texas; texasping; tsa; tyranny
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1 posted on 11/19/2013 2:31:36 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Here.....just take my underwear.


2 posted on 11/19/2013 2:33:24 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Ken H
...asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.


3 posted on 11/19/2013 2:33:51 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Ken H
100 percent voluntary

Excepting the part in which you're forced to stop at the roadblock and go into a parking lot. This sounds like a similar roadblock that happened in Alabama within the past couple of months.

4 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:04 PM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Ken H

Why the hell is Texas even allowing them to do this? Kick their asses out.


5 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:04 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Ken H

just say no and be firm


6 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:10 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Ken H

Yes this is the kind of freedom that George Washington’s army fought for. They froze and suffered a terrible winter at Valley Forge so government entities could conduct random searches of of it’s subjects.


7 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:21 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Under the Democrats; the Lincoln Memorial is closed; but the southern border is open)
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To: Ken H

Hand me a warrant to comply or see you later....

“Have a nice day” as I drive away...


8 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:23 PM PST by Popman
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To: Ken H

And if someone refuses to turn into the parking lot, are they charged with evading the authorities?


9 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:27 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Ken H
Oh Hell no. I've got some calls to make. And torches and pitchforks to round up.

/johnny

10 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ken H

they might get more saliva than they bargained for


11 posted on 11/19/2013 2:34:34 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Ken H

Hey Cop!!! Hold the cup and I’ll Wizz in it!


12 posted on 11/19/2013 2:36:53 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Ken H

No probable cause. Inadmissible in court. But the 4th Amendment isn’t just talking about prosecutions.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It’s really not hard to understand the “shall not be violated part”. It does not say anything about shall not be violated and used in a court. It just says “shall not be violated”.

If somebody shot these officers on the spot, and I served on the jury I would not convict them.


13 posted on 11/19/2013 2:38:54 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Ken H

Hand they guy a hammer and say “Go ahead...knock yourself out”
They will have a the blood and spit they want.


14 posted on 11/19/2013 2:39:58 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Nifster

as in “EFF-OFF!!!”, and drive away.


15 posted on 11/19/2013 2:41:08 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Nachum; OneWingedShark

Ping.


16 posted on 11/19/2013 2:41:09 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Ken H

It’s Texas. I hope Ted Cruz and/or Rick Perry are on this INSTANTLY.


17 posted on 11/19/2013 2:41:43 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Police State USA , Life During Wartime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYn9JF0TSgw


18 posted on 11/19/2013 2:42:13 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: SandRat

Years ago I was an Air Force flight surgeon. One day an officer from the JAG office came by and asked for a box of medical gloves. So asked what the hell he needed them for. He said “ well, we’re doing piss testing today. For officers that means we have to watch the specimen given, and some of the pilots piss all over the cup on purpose before handing them back”. All I could think of was “ damn I wish I had thought of that”...


19 posted on 11/19/2013 2:42:48 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms....."e)
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To: JennysCool
Both know about it. I just wrote to both. I won't put up with that crap around here.

/johnny

20 posted on 11/19/2013 2:43:41 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’re not safe in your car; you’re not safe in your home.


21 posted on 11/19/2013 2:43:46 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ken H

“It just doesn’t seem right that you can be forced off the road when you’re not doing anything wrong,”

Guess what. It’s NOT.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 2:43:48 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Ken H

What they are doing is seeing how many would submit to an illegal order.


23 posted on 11/19/2013 2:44:49 PM PST by dforest
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To: who knows what evil?
I will be safe or dead. I will not comply. Period.

They can only kill me once.

/johnny

24 posted on 11/19/2013 2:44:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dforest
What they really did was stir up a hornet's nest.

/johnny

25 posted on 11/19/2013 2:46:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ken H

Am I under arrest? Then am I free to go? . . . and repeat.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 2:46:34 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: DariusBane

“No probable cause. Inadmissible in court. “

Did you read the article?


27 posted on 11/19/2013 2:46:48 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Ken H

Yes this is the kind of freedom that George Washington’s army fought for. They froze and suffered a terrible winter at Valley Forge so government entities could conduct random searches of of it’s subjects.


28 posted on 11/19/2013 2:47:37 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Under the Democrats; the Lincoln Memorial is closed; but the southern border is open)
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To: Rusty0604

29 posted on 11/19/2013 2:47:37 PM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein)
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To: Ken H

A federal NTSA study that is spending 8 million dollars to harass drivers. The feds are out of control.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 2:47:58 PM PST by soycd
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exactly. Hornets can sting.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 2:48:27 PM PST by dforest
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To: mrmeyer
All that displays is how bad a shot the cops are. If that's the asian ladies from LA, they both lived.

/johnny

32 posted on 11/19/2013 2:49:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ken H
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

At some point the people supporting this are going to be called traitors to their country, and I'm talking about every patrolman, detective, and medical technician involved, as well as the thug-state bureaucrat who sent them. Which they are. And I won't cry for anything that happens to them.

33 posted on 11/19/2013 2:49:56 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Ken H

They need the DNA to salt the evidence at some crime scenes.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 2:51:17 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Ken H

It’s all voluntary. Taxes, socialist security. Medicare. You have a choice and the choice is you are forced to volunteer


35 posted on 11/19/2013 2:51:25 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: TexasGator

Did you read my post?

Can you understand that I am arguing that it is immaterial whether or not the State uses this in court. This is still a violation of the 4th amendment. You are not secure in your person if the State can do this. Admissible in court or not is moot.

I think you didn’t fully read my post, or didn’t understand it... Or you are cool with the policy, and are just trying hard to find a way to defend this heinous action of the State.


36 posted on 11/19/2013 2:51:29 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Good for you! Thanks!


37 posted on 11/19/2013 2:53:34 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Puppage

Zackly what I told my doctor when he wanted urine, stool, and sperm specimens...


38 posted on 11/19/2013 2:54:28 PM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: dforest

We have a winner. No further posts needed.


39 posted on 11/19/2013 2:55:00 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Puppage

Great old joke.

Old guy and old lady go the doctor.

Dr: God morning Mr. Johnson.
Mr. J: WHAT????
Mrs. J: HE SAYS GOOD MORNING!
Dr: I see you’re just here for a checkup.
Mr. J: WHAT????
Mrs. J: IT’S JUST A CHECKUP!
Dr: Ok we’ll need a urine and stool sample.
Mr J: WHAT?????
Mrs. J: HE WANT’S TO SEE YOUR UNDERWEAR!!!!


40 posted on 11/19/2013 2:55:22 PM PST by DManA (enis)
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To: JennysCool
I don't normally start emails or phone calls to politicians with: "What the hell is going on..." but today I did.

/johnny

41 posted on 11/19/2013 2:55:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: South Dakota

And if you don’t volunteer then you must be hiding something and we’ll do it because of that.


42 posted on 11/19/2013 2:55:53 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Ken H

The would have gotten it, but they would have to take mine by force. I sure as hell would not have voluntarily complied.


43 posted on 11/19/2013 2:58:06 PM PST by sport
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To: Windflier
Would you please be so kind as to ping the Texas ping list. We need to get some folks making calls and writing emails.

/johnny

44 posted on 11/19/2013 2:58:43 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL
Texas ping. You should make some calls and write some emails. This crap can't stand.

/johnny

45 posted on 11/19/2013 2:59:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella
You know what to do. Give 'em hell. This crap can't stand in Texas.

/johnny

46 posted on 11/19/2013 3:00:49 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SandRat

Apparently, there were NO COPS there. At least none that will admit it.

This was a bureauKaRATZ initiative from beginning to end.

Tell the RATZ they got NO AUTHORITY to pull you over.

Run the turds down if they stand in front the car.

People in this country have become sheep. And the RATZ know it. That’s why they get away with this sh!!.

Wait till they run into someone who isn’t intimidated, then they will cry real tears.


47 posted on 11/19/2013 3:00:50 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: sport

The say it is voluntary...

I bet the sample will be skewed by compliant drivers to indicate more sober than not sober.

The test administrators know this is true, hence the farce of voluntary.

So I understand their problem, but every facet of this experiment is ill designed. Only heavy handed gubment could ever conceive of something this vile.


48 posted on 11/19/2013 3:00:59 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: tobyhill

Texas can be awfully dependent on their tough reputation. I am amazed at the crap they take in consumer venues from people who appear to have no intention of respecting them, their state or their country. And they give me a lot of crap for not putting up with this with my ny accent

I’d have said no you don’t have probable cause.no


49 posted on 11/19/2013 3:01:30 PM PST by stanne
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To: DariusBane

It’s undoubtedly going to be used to populate the DNA portion of the ginormous database in Utah.


50 posted on 11/19/2013 3:02:22 PM PST by Black Agnes
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