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Texas drivers get asked for saliva, blood at police roadblock
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Posted on 11/20/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood. It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers. "It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

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Welcome to the USSA.
1 posted on 11/20/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Welcome to the USSA, Comrades!

A 6-minute YouTube video by yours truly and Mark P. Ferri, about the loss of freedom in America.


2 posted on 11/20/2013 6:02:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It's time for Texans to make their voice heard. Loudly. Call and write your elected reps. Today.

/johnny

3 posted on 11/20/2013 6:02:21 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers."

I don't believe this at all. Saliva tests are not generally recognised tests for substance impairment. This was an effort to collect DNA samples for a database, straight up.

4 posted on 11/20/2013 6:02:38 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Red in Blue PA; Revolting cat!

Spit at them.


5 posted on 11/20/2013 6:03:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: circlecity

When they “ask” just say FU.


6 posted on 11/20/2013 6:04:42 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Throw out a buncha tire spikes just upstream of the check point.


7 posted on 11/20/2013 6:05:27 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red in Blue PA
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?"
8 posted on 11/20/2013 6:06:12 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: circlecity

We use saliva alcohol tests to screen for alcohol all the time. If they’re negative there is no need to further test.


9 posted on 11/20/2013 6:06:29 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: a fool in paradise

“It was part of a government research study”.

Change “research” to “over reach” and the statement will be correct.


10 posted on 11/20/2013 6:06:32 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: nikos1121
"We use saliva alcohol tests to screen for alcohol all the time. If they’re negative there is no need to further test."

Testing for alcohol and testing for impairment are two totally different things.

11 posted on 11/20/2013 6:08:41 AM PST by circlecity
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To: a fool in paradise

To: Red in Blue PA; Revolting cat!
“Spit at them.”............

Definitely NOT recommended as it will then be an “assault” charge that WILL get you arrested.


12 posted on 11/20/2013 6:09:00 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Red in Blue PA

Americans don’t like to admit it to themselves, but the USA is no longer the land of liberty and freedom.


13 posted on 11/20/2013 6:12:02 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Obadiah
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?"

I think that's the best response.

14 posted on 11/20/2013 6:12:13 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Red in Blue PA

There is a time to put your foot down, despite any consequences. Nonsense like this is a way to frighten and cow the public, nothing more. It is dependent on passive people. If you absolutely refuse to cooperate, even by lowering your window more than an inch or two, you win.

And if they get really obnoxious about it, you might just win the lottery. How much is appropriate for having your civil rights violated? $10 million? $50 million? Demand the upper limit.

It might be a persuasive argument to a judge that this is a sign of government arrogance, and without devastatingly punitive punishment, they will do so again, hiding behind taxpayer money. SO EVEN, you continue, if the judge is not willing to give you the money, you ask that the COURT still give them the maximum fine, even if you don’t see a dime of it.

This isn’t a game, your honor. Tyrants need to be stopped and punished, or their next tyranny will be worse. It could just as likely be to the judge and his family. Stop them now, your honor, before it gets worse. Put this company out of business.


15 posted on 11/20/2013 6:12:52 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (War on Terror news at rantburg.com)
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To: Progov; a fool in paradise
“Spit at them.”............

Just speak some Spanish to them and act like you don't understand English. They'll send you on your way.

16 posted on 11/20/2013 6:12:59 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Red in Blue PA

One more time for the slow learners: cops. are. not. your. friends.


17 posted on 11/20/2013 6:13:17 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: lwd

bump for later


18 posted on 11/20/2013 6:13:36 AM PST by lwd
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To: Red in Blue PA
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years..."

Data collected from such a "voluntary" program would be useless beyond belief, so what's going on here?

When in doubt, "Follow The Money," and you'll probably find the company contracted to perform this research is an Obama campaign contributor.

19 posted on 11/20/2013 6:15:37 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Obadiah

> “Am I being detained or am I free to go?”

Key question. Taking of DNA samples is a search and should require probable cause.


20 posted on 11/20/2013 6:17:36 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Red in Blue PA

Liberal elite totalitarian thugs doing dry run research....


21 posted on 11/20/2013 6:18:31 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: circlecity

They’re checking how far citizens can be pushed....


22 posted on 11/20/2013 6:19:19 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: circlecity

Areas near Dallas are dry counties. You can bring it in and consume it but they still have the vestiges of prohibition.

They had a task force out busting people of “Public Intoxication” if they were observed drinking more than 2 beverages in an hour (no breath test or carnival games necessary to convict). $500 fine, thousands were written.

They’d bust people in the hotel bar of the hotel they were staying at.

Not rowdy people. But they were “drinking” beyond the arbitrary “legal limit”.

Good for financing.


23 posted on 11/20/2013 6:21:56 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Damn....

4th Amendment? Unreasonable search and seizure? WTF?


24 posted on 11/20/2013 6:22:47 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: circlecity

I would have refused, and then sued afterwards if my license was taken away. You’re correct. DNA data base and massive invasion of privacy. The test they ostensibly were looking at was for alcohol - you don’t need saliva and blood for that.


25 posted on 11/20/2013 6:24:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: nikos1121

If you do it at the point of a gun, you are part of the tyranny.


26 posted on 11/20/2013 6:25:32 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Red in Blue PA

The USSC ruled cops can take a DNA sample IF you’re suspected of a serious crime, but not otherwise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/supreme-court-says-police-can-take-dna-samples.html


27 posted on 11/20/2013 6:26:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: UCANSEE2

And wink and sing some Bette Midler.


28 posted on 11/20/2013 6:40:09 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Red in Blue PA
The deeper problem--IMO

American do not know their Constitutional rights and how to assert them in the moment of decision.

All of these drivers merely "complied", failing to assert and refuse; And so surrendered their rights...

Pitiful/sad...
...again... JMO

29 posted on 11/20/2013 6:42:20 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This is a violation of the 4th Amendment, IMHO.

I always carry a copy of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, my DL and CCW, and the Bible, just in case.


30 posted on 11/20/2013 6:45:40 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: DJ Taylor
"the company contracted to perform this research"

After I read this article yesterday I looked the company up on the internet. They have been doing this type of work for the govt a long time. Some of it is eye opening.

For example, on drinking/driving limits you normally say that MADD was driving the lowering of limits, but this company was heavily involved with that.

31 posted on 11/20/2013 6:46:44 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Red in Blue PA

I happened to see this link on the TX message board and wanted to reply. Posted late yesterday with over 100 replies, but cross linking for others to see.


Texas drivers pulled over at random, told to turn over blood, saliva samples
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3093343/posts


32 posted on 11/20/2013 6:49:43 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: ScottinVA

The Supreme Court ruling on DNA samples concerned a lawsuit that was brought regarding a case in Maryland.

Legal experts, at least some of them, said the Supreme Court ruling was specific to that Maryland case.

If more widespread DNA samples are taken from “suspects” beyond the parameters of the Maryland case, these same legal experts believe the Supreme Court will have to re-visit the issue of DNA samples.

Personally, I was appalled at that Supreme Court ruling. DNA samples should only be taken from criminals who are convicted of certain felonies, such as murder, attempted murder, child kidnapping, rape, etc.


33 posted on 11/20/2013 6:49:53 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Red in Blue PA

So what happens if you just say: “No, I don’t want to participate, and I’m in a hurry”?


34 posted on 11/20/2013 6:53:53 AM PST by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: a fool in paradise
Areas near Dallas are dry counties

You're partially correct .....


35 posted on 11/20/2013 6:59:34 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: DJ Taylor

This is ultimately being funded by the Tides Foundation.

John F’in Kerry’s wife’s entity.


36 posted on 11/20/2013 7:01:21 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m on my way to work and if I am late again I get canned. I am stopped by flashing lights and told that I must pull over into a parking lot to give the government sample crew a sample of my spit. Now that just doesn’t seem right, does it?


37 posted on 11/20/2013 7:04:50 AM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: Black Agnes

Also George Soros.

I wish someone would file a class action lawsuit against George Soros. He is the one who is destroying our country. President Obamacare is just a sock puppet.


38 posted on 11/20/2013 7:10:55 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: al_c

There is a dry neighborhood in Houston (the Heights) which I don’t understand because it isn’t even a separate city (such as West University or Bellaire or Jersey Village, etc.). Walgreen’s and Kroger cannot sell beer or wine. Restaurants cannot sell beer or wine. Only is the law for a half dozen blocks in any direction but they are large blocks.


39 posted on 11/20/2013 7:11:21 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It's pretty common to lie to research subjects about the actual point of the study. Apparently this is done so they can get a pure test. I think it's pretty obvious that this has nothing to do with impaired driving.

Go to a ‘bastion’ of ‘freedom’ and violate the hell out of it and see what the public outcry is. The real point of the research is to see if it's time to some more freedoms away from Americans, or if they need to wait a few year more years.

40 posted on 11/20/2013 7:12:58 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Just another way the federalies are getting American’s used to be “frisked”, in public. First frisked in airports, now being pulled over to give blood and saliva, in public. What next? Need to rid this country of these bullies in our government. If they want to frisk anyone, why don’t they start in Dearborn, MI where we have a bunch of jihadists? (living in public housing, yet)


41 posted on 11/20/2013 7:20:52 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Obadiah

As a retired LEO the only response is Am I being detained? Following their mumbling response with, am I free to go?

Cops don’t like being told no, but even worse is a citizen who reminds them of their constitutional authority. A lot of evidence is collected from complaint citizens. Cops need documentable probable cause to conduct these seizures and they know it.

I expect their collection process includes a signed waiver of your rights.

Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.


42 posted on 11/20/2013 7:24:13 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A good woman brings out the best in a good man! A better woman might be just what this nation needs)
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Betcha there is something else BIO in the wild and they’re trying to locate it, isolate it with this “survey” as the cover story.


43 posted on 11/20/2013 7:26:23 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: jsanders2001
"Taking of DNA samples is a search and should require probable cause."

I believe it also requires a search warrant, but then again, I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

44 posted on 11/20/2013 7:26:38 AM PST by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Their mistake was saying they were testing for alcohol. Limit it to illegal drugs and few people would care.


45 posted on 11/20/2013 7:31:08 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Dustoff45
Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.

Doesn't that seem to provoke even more bizarre behavior by the LEO's and put you at risk of further abusive behavior? Just asking. Would like your perspective as a retired LEO.

46 posted on 11/20/2013 7:32:20 AM PST by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Wolfie
Alcohol or drugs, no matter. It is a Constitutional violation to stop someone without probable cause and it is a more egregious Constitutional violation to obtain a breath, saliva, or blood from a US citizen!

What have we become? What are we allowing. Drugs or not, everyone ought to care!

47 posted on 11/20/2013 7:37:19 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Maybe they’re incorporated? There’s a small area near Richardson that is incorporated. Richardson doesn’t sell alcohol, but the incorporated area called Buckingham does. Opposite of your situation.


48 posted on 11/20/2013 7:38:40 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Dustoff45

I certainly see your point, but I think things start to go south when a citizen starts videotaping, although it shouldn’t. But, in a court of law we all understand what occurs, judges are almost universally predisposed to believe the LEO regardless, so video taping the incident, regrettably, is your only viable protection.


49 posted on 11/20/2013 7:40:55 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Or English in parts of Miami. :-)


50 posted on 11/20/2013 7:46:09 AM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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