Skip to comments.Texas drivers get asked for saliva, blood at police roadblock
Posted on 11/20/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood. It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers. "It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.
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A 6-minute YouTube video by yours truly and Mark P. Ferri, about the loss of freedom in America.
I don't believe this at all. Saliva tests are not generally recognised tests for substance impairment. This was an effort to collect DNA samples for a database, straight up.
Spit at them.
When they “ask” just say FU.
Throw out a buncha tire spikes just upstream of the check point.
We use saliva alcohol tests to screen for alcohol all the time. If they’re negative there is no need to further test.
“It was part of a government research study”.
Change “research” to “over reach” and the statement will be correct.
Testing for alcohol and testing for impairment are two totally different things.
To: Red in Blue PA; Revolting cat!
“Spit at them.”............
Definitely NOT recommended as it will then be an “assault” charge that WILL get you arrested.
Americans don’t like to admit it to themselves, but the USA is no longer the land of liberty and freedom.
I think that's the best response.
There is a time to put your foot down, despite any consequences. Nonsense like this is a way to frighten and cow the public, nothing more. It is dependent on passive people. If you absolutely refuse to cooperate, even by lowering your window more than an inch or two, you win.
And if they get really obnoxious about it, you might just win the lottery. How much is appropriate for having your civil rights violated? $10 million? $50 million? Demand the upper limit.
It might be a persuasive argument to a judge that this is a sign of government arrogance, and without devastatingly punitive punishment, they will do so again, hiding behind taxpayer money. SO EVEN, you continue, if the judge is not willing to give you the money, you ask that the COURT still give them the maximum fine, even if you don’t see a dime of it.
This isn’t a game, your honor. Tyrants need to be stopped and punished, or their next tyranny will be worse. It could just as likely be to the judge and his family. Stop them now, your honor, before it gets worse. Put this company out of business.
Just speak some Spanish to them and act like you don't understand English. They'll send you on your way.
One more time for the slow learners: cops. are. not. your. friends.
bump for later
Data collected from such a "voluntary" program would be useless beyond belief, so what's going on here?
When in doubt, "Follow The Money," and you'll probably find the company contracted to perform this research is an Obama campaign contributor.
> “Am I being detained or am I free to go?”
Key question. Taking of DNA samples is a search and should require probable cause.
Liberal elite totalitarian thugs doing dry run research....
They’re checking how far citizens can be pushed....
Areas near Dallas are dry counties. You can bring it in and consume it but they still have the vestiges of prohibition.
They had a task force out busting people of “Public Intoxication” if they were observed drinking more than 2 beverages in an hour (no breath test or carnival games necessary to convict). $500 fine, thousands were written.
They’d bust people in the hotel bar of the hotel they were staying at.
Not rowdy people. But they were “drinking” beyond the arbitrary “legal limit”.
Good for financing.
4th Amendment? Unreasonable search and seizure? WTF?
I would have refused, and then sued afterwards if my license was taken away. You’re correct. DNA data base and massive invasion of privacy. The test they ostensibly were looking at was for alcohol - you don’t need saliva and blood for that.
If you do it at the point of a gun, you are part of the tyranny.
The USSC ruled cops can take a DNA sample IF you’re suspected of a serious crime, but not otherwise.
And wink and sing some Bette Midler.
American do not know their Constitutional rights and how to assert them in the moment of decision.
All of these drivers merely "complied", failing to assert and refuse; And so surrendered their rights...
This is a violation of the 4th Amendment, IMHO.
I always carry a copy of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, my DL and CCW, and the Bible, just in case.
After I read this article yesterday I looked the company up on the internet. They have been doing this type of work for the govt a long time. Some of it is eye opening.
For example, on drinking/driving limits you normally say that MADD was driving the lowering of limits, but this company was heavily involved with that.
I happened to see this link on the TX message board and wanted to reply. Posted late yesterday with over 100 replies, but cross linking for others to see.
The Supreme Court ruling on DNA samples concerned a lawsuit that was brought regarding a case in Maryland.
Legal experts, at least some of them, said the Supreme Court ruling was specific to that Maryland case.
If more widespread DNA samples are taken from “suspects” beyond the parameters of the Maryland case, these same legal experts believe the Supreme Court will have to re-visit the issue of DNA samples.
Personally, I was appalled at that Supreme Court ruling. DNA samples should only be taken from criminals who are convicted of certain felonies, such as murder, attempted murder, child kidnapping, rape, etc.
So what happens if you just say: “No, I don’t want to participate, and I’m in a hurry”?
You're partially correct .....
This is ultimately being funded by the Tides Foundation.
John F’in Kerry’s wife’s entity.
I’m on my way to work and if I am late again I get canned. I am stopped by flashing lights and told that I must pull over into a parking lot to give the government sample crew a sample of my spit. Now that just doesn’t seem right, does it?
Also George Soros.
I wish someone would file a class action lawsuit against George Soros. He is the one who is destroying our country. President Obamacare is just a sock puppet.
There is a dry neighborhood in Houston (the Heights) which I don’t understand because it isn’t even a separate city (such as West University or Bellaire or Jersey Village, etc.). Walgreen’s and Kroger cannot sell beer or wine. Restaurants cannot sell beer or wine. Only is the law for a half dozen blocks in any direction but they are large blocks.
Go to a ‘bastion’ of ‘freedom’ and violate the hell out of it and see what the public outcry is. The real point of the research is to see if it's time to some more freedoms away from Americans, or if they need to wait a few year more years.
Just another way the federalies are getting American’s used to be “frisked”, in public. First frisked in airports, now being pulled over to give blood and saliva, in public. What next? Need to rid this country of these bullies in our government. If they want to frisk anyone, why don’t they start in Dearborn, MI where we have a bunch of jihadists? (living in public housing, yet)
As a retired LEO the only response is Am I being detained? Following their mumbling response with, am I free to go?
Cops don’t like being told no, but even worse is a citizen who reminds them of their constitutional authority. A lot of evidence is collected from complaint citizens. Cops need documentable probable cause to conduct these seizures and they know it.
I expect their collection process includes a signed waiver of your rights.
Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.
Betcha there is something else BIO in the wild and they’re trying to locate it, isolate it with this “survey” as the cover story.
I believe it also requires a search warrant, but then again, I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Their mistake was saying they were testing for alcohol. Limit it to illegal drugs and few people would care.
Doesn't that seem to provoke even more bizarre behavior by the LEO's and put you at risk of further abusive behavior? Just asking. Would like your perspective as a retired LEO.
What have we become? What are we allowing. Drugs or not, everyone ought to care!
Maybe they’re incorporated? There’s a small area near Richardson that is incorporated. Richardson doesn’t sell alcohol, but the incorporated area called Buckingham does. Opposite of your situation.
I certainly see your point, but I think things start to go south when a citizen starts videotaping, although it shouldn’t. But, in a court of law we all understand what occurs, judges are almost universally predisposed to believe the LEO regardless, so video taping the incident, regrettably, is your only viable protection.
Or English in parts of Miami. :-)