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CNN: (VA) Hospital Delays Are Killing America's War Veterans
CNN ^ | Updated 8:33 a.m. EST Wednesday, November 20, 2013 | Scott Bronstein, Nelli Black and Drew Griffin

Posted on 11/20/2013 10:09:07 AM PST by kristinn

Columbia, South Carolina (CNN) -- Military veterans are dying needlessly because of long waits and delayed care at U.S. veterans hospitals, a CNN investigation has found.

What's worse, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is aware of the problems and has done almost nothing to effectively prevent veterans dying from delays in care, according to documents obtained by CNN and interviews with numerous experts.

The problem has been especially dire at the Williams Jennings Bryan Dorn Veterans Medical Center in Columbia, South Carolina. There, veterans waiting months for simple gastrointestinal procedures -- such as a colonoscopy or endoscopy -- have been dying because their cancers aren't caught in time.

The VA has confirmed six deaths at Dorn tied to delays...(deaths) at this facility could be more than 20.

SNIP

CNN's repeated requests for interviews with the VA have been denied. Even Congress has had its requests for information ignored, Miller said.

"But unfortunately, if they treat members of Congress ... this way, imagine how they treat the average veteran out there," said Miller. "I can imagine the grief they may be going through."

The VA said in a statement to CNN, "The Department of Veterans Affairs is committed to providing the best quality, safe and effective health care our Veterans have earned and deserve. We take seriously any issue that occurs at one of the more than 1,700 health care facilities across the country. The consult delay at Dorn VAMC has been resolved."

The statement added that cases are now tracked daily, and additional staff members were hired.

But sources at Dorn -- both patients and medical staff -- tell CNN that's just not true. The problems continue, and veterans are still facing delays that could be killing them.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obama; veterans
Kudos to CNN for reporting this. Impeach Shinseki!
1 posted on 11/20/2013 10:09:08 AM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

The top. Go for the one who is the head of this administration. OBAMA. Shinseki would just be collateral damage, and wouldn’t effect the lives of anyone, but OBAMA’s impeachment would.

The Democrats HATE the military, and this is how they repay our warriors for the gift of their lives to us, this Nation.


2 posted on 11/20/2013 10:20:14 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I think the Va has had problems for a long time.....and just think if they actually enrolled ALL the vets....not just a select few....


3 posted on 11/20/2013 10:22:30 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: kristinn

This is what “single-payer” looks like.


4 posted on 11/20/2013 10:22:56 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: kristinn

There are truly some great people working for the VA, but the only people who want government healthcare are those who have never had it.


5 posted on 11/20/2013 10:23:40 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kristinn

So much for the efficiency of VA health care often cited by the believers in Big Government’s programs.


6 posted on 11/20/2013 10:24:35 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: kristinn

Oh! CNN doesn’t give a care about veterans.

What do they expect to happen? Some wonderful entity is going to fix it?

This is government health care.

And the VA will look like the mayo clinic soon, compared with what CNN’s darling obama’s Obamacare

Ugh!!


7 posted on 11/20/2013 10:26:49 AM PST by stanne
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To: kristinn
Good afternoon.

CNN? Hmmm, that's odd. A random act of journalism?

I hope you are doing well.

5.56mm

8 posted on 11/20/2013 10:27:13 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: cherry

I haven’t had to use the VA services since 2002, but at that time the service was great. Appointments, visits, care, etc great. Didn’t have to think about anything but getting there.

I understand since Obama has been the alleged leader of this country the service, etc. at the VA has gone to ‘H’.

I’m lucky. I got what I needed done when our government was in the hands of Americans.


9 posted on 11/20/2013 10:28:41 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: stanne

This is probably part of a calculated move to further reduce VA funding and push veterans into obamacare.


10 posted on 11/20/2013 10:31:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It’s far worse than that. It’s to kill them off.


11 posted on 11/20/2013 10:32:46 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: driftdiver

There is no question they are next.


12 posted on 11/20/2013 10:34:21 AM PST by stanne
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To: kristinn
WTF !??!?

Do drs and hospitals not move unless and untill some insurance go-ahead is given?

Are we short of medical people?

Are we overwhelmed?

What gives ?

13 posted on 11/20/2013 10:35:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I’m a disabled vet but haven’t been to a VA hospital since my physical when I got out. Fortunately I’ve been able to get the care I needed elsewhere.

No plans to ever set foot in one of those places except to maybe visit someone.


14 posted on 11/20/2013 10:36:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kristinn

Goverment health care!


15 posted on 11/20/2013 10:38:31 AM PST by Pinkbell
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Something’s screwy. My last VA colonoscopy was outsourced to a local doctor in my hometown.


16 posted on 11/20/2013 10:38:45 AM PST by Dedbone
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To: kristinn

A preview of DeathCare for all Americans, IMO.


17 posted on 11/20/2013 10:58:01 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: rockinqsranch

This needs to be highlighted on Fox tonight and on Drudge.


18 posted on 11/20/2013 10:58:51 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: kristinn

If a republican were in office, we’d make a movie about this called “Article 99”.


19 posted on 11/20/2013 11:00:19 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: kristinn

I suppose this is a crisis to take the heat off Barry and to try to blame the house and Republicans over funding. Each doctor in the VA has about 1200 patients. It can take a couple months to get an appointment. The treatment is good when you get it.


20 posted on 11/20/2013 11:16:13 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I got both my parents enrolled in the last several yrs of their lives and it saved them a bundle on medications....wish I had thought of it sooner since they were both WW2 vets......

my two bill's who have Va....neither of them lifers...one served 8 yrs the other 6....have had to wait and wait and wait to get surgeries...one is still waiting...and after many months the other is finally getting his gb out...

21 posted on 11/20/2013 11:29:51 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: onedoug

ping


22 posted on 11/20/2013 11:37:42 AM PST by windcliff
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To: kristinn

The policy is deny, delay, deny, delay, approve. The doctors will then say that if treatment was started sooner, the patient may have recovered. So sorry for your loss.
Next.


23 posted on 11/20/2013 11:52:26 AM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: kristinn

Wow. Parse that statement out of the VA and think like an Obama. Yes, they believe our veterans are receiving the care they deserve. How despicable!


24 posted on 11/20/2013 12:00:20 PM PST by petitfour
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To: kristinn

the problem with our country is that they can’t see that the VA and Indian Reservations are totally run as a socialist program with terrible results. The cause and affect of REAL WORLD in America is not see by the low information folks.


25 posted on 11/20/2013 12:06:09 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: kristinn

Welcome to government controlled health (wealth?) systems.


26 posted on 11/20/2013 12:17:18 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44 (22 Yr, Navy Vet))
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To: kristinn

VA HealthCare meets Affordable Care Act requirements. For Information visit VA’s website at www.va.gov/aca or call 1-877-222-VETS (8387).

Taken right from a VA appointment card. I’ve been calling for the last few days to cancel an appointment for my dad as he is currently in physical rehab due to injuries related to the VA prescribing the wrong medicine to him and not properly following up. By the way they don’t answer their phone.

God help us all.


27 posted on 11/20/2013 12:17:32 PM PST by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: knarf

There is a shortage of GI docs to do the scopes. Money was thrown at the issue but administrators didn’t do the smart thing and just refer them downtown. Hiring anyone takes months and they didn’t find a doc to fill the position.

That’s the word on the street anyway.


28 posted on 11/20/2013 2:02:57 PM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: kristinn

“Cheaper than Chimps....”


29 posted on 11/20/2013 2:20:20 PM PST by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: rockinqsranch
In all fairness, it was after 2002 when the wars really kicked off (Iraq didn't start until March 03) and then began to add more and more to the VA's workload.
30 posted on 11/20/2013 2:56:44 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

“In all fairness, it was after 2002 when the wars really kicked off (Iraq didn’t start until March 03).........”

Curious as to why you think you must be fair with asshats that have no desire to be fair with you, much less anybody that doesn’t knuckle under to their abusiveness.

Seems to me the VA is being used today as a pawn in this ideological war against our Constitution thus we the people, and our warriors.

“......and then began to add more and more to the VA’s workload”

The Obama Administration chose to cut services to our warriors instead of expanding the VA to serve them. Which is right? I believe the VA should be expanded to serve our military injured, and ill. I believe that should at least make up for the lousey pay, and the lousey situations these people albeit they volunteer for, are subjected to.

I as a veteran, and a taxpayer would love to see so many other departments of the executive, and their supporting bureaucracies of use primarily to Professional Politicians cut out of existance, and if necessary that money sent to put the lives of our veterans back together again.


31 posted on 11/20/2013 6:03:22 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I as a veteran, and a taxpayer would love to see so many other departments of the executive, and their supporting bureaucracies of use primarily to Professional Politicians cut out of existance, and if necessary that money sent to put the lives of our veterans back together again.

I as a combat wounded veteran that just went through a medical separation, acknowledged the truth, eg in all fairness, which was we had a larger influx of troops after 2002, and troops were more likely to get injured/wounded once combat operations commenced - vice in peace time.

Further, while a lot of things were cut, the VA had a one year+ backlog of cases and hired MORE contractors to handle the workload. The VA was also put on a timeline by law to handle cases like medical boards. And I know from personal experience as I just completed the process.

Don't get me wrong - much of the VA is like the military's version of the DMV. And I agree with getting rid of much of the fedzilla's largesse like the ATF, DOT, DOE (both), etc

However, if we are going to discuss it and advocate for an increase in VA funding and workers to support wounded and injured service members, we also need to acknowledge why we need to do that.

Further, comparing 2002 to post OIF/OEF is apples to oranges unless you're demonstrating the increase in troops and the increase in casualties.

32 posted on 11/20/2013 6:37:17 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: rockinqsranch

To add to that, guys that are serving now, and processing out, and in immediate need are the priority.


33 posted on 11/20/2013 6:39:05 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

“To add to that, guys that are serving now, and processing out, and in immediate need are the priority.”

Agree. Expand the services. Stay on top of these Democrat asshats that hate the military, and make them do what is right, or vote them out.

I might be out of date to you young whippersnappers as I was US Army about 50 Years ago. Gimme a break, but I do believe in a strong military, and strong support of the military if we are to be free.


34 posted on 11/20/2013 6:48:45 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Just as a note, when I said "are a priority" - I meant they are the VA's priority now.

My understanding is everyone else (earlier vets) was "supposed" to be "in the system" and "established," so they plus'd up to handle the backlog of guys getting out now.

That said, there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the press (surprisingly) prior to the plus up of contractors for the VA.

I might be out of date to you young whippersnappers as I was US Army about 50 Years ago. Gimme a break, but I do believe in a strong military, and strong support of the military if we are to be free.

No worries here, FRiend. I don't fault you. I was just trying to lay out an honest version of what was going on, or at least what is supposed to be happening.

Thank you for your service, and happy belated Veterans' Day.

35 posted on 11/20/2013 6:58:51 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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ping..


36 posted on 11/21/2013 2:30:14 AM PST by Rick_Michael (We are becoming a Mediocracy: By and For the mediocre.)
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To: Repeat Offender

You’re so wrong. I started working with the VA in 1979. It’s the SOS now that it’s always been.


37 posted on 11/21/2013 4:24:07 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: kristinn

VA hospitals and VAROs differ widely and wildly in their standard of care, medically and administratively. Dorn is one of the worst I personally know of. There’s a commonality within the systems of the poorest run.


38 posted on 11/21/2013 4:28:57 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: rockinqsranch

Agreed, once you get to a Dr. you can’t beat VA docs, it’s the getting there that is the problem.

I had a rapidly growing tumor in my leg. VA Dr found that a leftover piece of shrapnel had somehow triggered a rejection response in my leg after 40 yrs. The tumor grew at a fantastic rate doubling in size every few months. The VA surgeon and tumor specialist they called in said it needed to be removed ASAP. Even with their urgent request surgery was scheduled 11 months out. The growth rate would have made walking impossible within a few months. I ended up going to outside the VA system, had it removed within weeks for a 100% service connected issue that VA Docs wanted to fix, but couldn’t get the scheduling within their own system.


39 posted on 11/21/2013 4:36:30 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

VA hospitals and VAROs differ widely and wildly in their standard of care, medically and administrative


Yup. Not all of them have the same level of care. Same with non-VA hospitals. Some are great,,,like Johns Hopkins, some are crap, and most fall in between. They have very good care but aren’t super great like Hopkins.


40 posted on 11/21/2013 7:52:11 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

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41 posted on 11/21/2013 8:24:35 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: kristinn

...and soon, all 300,000,000 of us can enjoy this level of care.


42 posted on 11/21/2013 7:13:18 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Part of the difference since 2002 is that the flood of veterans of the Southwest Asian wars has overwhelmed resources. The VA has been strapped by the failure of the Congress to pass a budget in the last five years, so funds to expand personnel and services have not been there.

That having been said, the reports sound very much like what routinely is reported from Canada and Great Britain about their government dominated healthcare systems. If you live in UK, pray you don't get cancer. If you do, you will almost certainly die sooner than you should have to.

43 posted on 11/22/2013 8:38:26 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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