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Brutal Quinnipiac poll of Colorado: Obama’s job approval at 36/59, Hillary trails 3 GOP contenders
Hotair ^ | 11/20/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 11/20/2013 2:13:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The worst state poll of his presidency? It’s his worst Quinnipiac state poll for sure, by their own admission, which is significant for two reasons. One: Colorado is, of course, a famously purple state and bellwether, one which helped Bush to the presidency in 2000 and 2004 and then broke for Obama in 2008 and 2012. The One is used to seeing his job approval 20 points underwater or more in red states, but Colorado hasn’t been a red state at the presidential level in nearly a decade. Lots of rehab work to be done by Democrats before the midterms.

Two: This may be early evidence that the O-Care debacle is spilling over into perceptions of other Democrats, specifically the nominee-in-waiting. Hillary trails Chris Christie head to head in this one by eight points, which is an unusually large spread between them; even more unusual is that she also trails Rand Paul (by three) and Paul Ryan (by two) and is tied with Ted Cruz. Typically Christie’s the only Republican who leads her in these hypothetical 2016 match-ups, and even he ends up trailing her sometimes. In Colorado, Quinnipiac found him ahead by three in June and ahead by just one point in August — and now suddenly he’s creeping up on double digits. That’s due in part to the good press he got after his Jersey landslide, but if this was all about Christie, you wouldn’t see Paul and Ryan overtaking Hillary too. Something else is going on.

Here’s what happens when you ask Coloradans whether they think their health care will be better next year because of O-Care or worse.

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Lots of pessimism out there, most notably the -19 among women, a reliably Democratic group that tends to be more supportive of O-Care than men are. An ObamaCare optimist searching desperately for a silver lining could read that same data as proof that a clear majority thinks their health care will be better or, at worst, no different from how it is now, but that’s a poor interpretation for lots of reasons. For starters, part of the “no different” contingent may be under the impression that they’ll be able to keep their plans even if the suckers on the individual market can’t. Not true; America will see cancellations in group coverage soon enough, once the delay in the employer mandate expires. As more people are moved onto the exchanges, the problems consumers on the individual market are experiencing will only become more widespread — rate shock, access shock, and general annoyance at the realization that what Obama sold to the country as a big health-care upgrade for everyone is really just a redistribution scheme to have the healthy and middle-class pay for coverage for the poor and sick. David Frum’s dead right on this:

Once you think of Ocare's cost increases for healthy as the middle-class tax increase the law pretended to eschew … (1/2)

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) November 20, 2013

… it's hard to think of them as anything else. (2/2)

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) November 20, 2013

And once you understand that what is visibly happening in the individual market is less visibly altering the group market .. (1/2)

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) November 20, 2013

… you'll stop taking refuge in the "it's only 5%" excuse. (2/2)

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) November 20, 2013

Perceptions will change, but not in the direction O-Care fans are hoping for. Speaking of which, here’s where perceptions in Colorado stand on which side in hindsight was to blame for the shutdown. The party that wants to shrink government naturally leads, but the margin is awfully thin — likely the result of some voters concluding that an urgent effort to stop ObamaCare from taking effect wasn’t so pointless after all.

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It’s not just Hillary and Democrats generally who are suffering either. Mark Udall, Colorado’s Democratic senator, now finds himself with only small leads over a variety of Republican contenders. Given all the landmines that still lie in front of O-Care, I wonder how soon the Clintons will start inching away from health-care reform and what form that’ll take. Bill gave us a sneak preview with what he said last week about O needing to honor his “if you like your plan” commitment; Hillary will, for starters, surely end up endorsing a wider variety of plans being offered on the exchanges than just the expensive “comprehensive” ones that Obama keeps mumbling about. (Can’t wait to hear her explain how she’d make up the revenue shortfall from that.) More generous subsidies for the lower middle class to help ease rate shock is also a fait accompli for her platform. Don’t wait too long, Clintonworld.

Via RCP, here’s Krauthammer insisting she’s a paper tiger. I’m unconvinced.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: amendment66; banglist; colorado; hillary; poll; quinnipiac

1 posted on 11/20/2013 2:13:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

One word

Overreach.

Colorado voters are pissed at the rat party. As bad as Hitlery probably feels about this, I would not want to be a rat member of the legislature at this point


2 posted on 11/20/2013 2:15:05 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind
Looks like Obama is going to bring down the roof like Carter did.
3 posted on 11/20/2013 2:16:33 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. With these kinds of numbers we might get the legislature back. This is huge.


4 posted on 11/20/2013 2:21:21 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Viennacon
Hillary trails Chris Christie head to head in this one by eight points, which is an unusually large spread between them; even more unusual is that she also trails Rand Paul (by three) and Paul Ryan (by two) and is tied with Ted Cruz.

That bold print bears repeating to all the moderates in the party who think Cruz can't win.

5 posted on 11/20/2013 2:22:24 PM PST by erod (I'm a Chicagoan till Chicago ends...)
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To: george76; laplata

Ping


6 posted on 11/20/2013 2:25:15 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: mountainlion

Let’s hope so. I would not like to see Christie get the nomination. I was wondering about Gov.John Kasich. How would he match up against Hillary?


7 posted on 11/20/2013 2:27:39 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: SeekAndFind

This is all because of gun control and tax increases.
Lets not mess this up by assuming its more than that.


8 posted on 11/20/2013 2:28:41 PM PST by Zathras
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To: make no mistake
I think Christy is a plant by the Democrats. They love to mess with other parties candidates. Give me Sarah.
9 posted on 11/20/2013 2:30:43 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

Thanks, pax...


10 posted on 11/20/2013 2:35:00 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Welcome!


11 posted on 11/20/2013 2:36:09 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Udall does not do well in the poll, but still leads. The state GOP needs to nail Udall independently of the senatorial primary. Make Udall into the ugliest, most dishonest, socialist scum that ever supported ACA (I know many on FR want to tag this on Obama and call it Obamacare, but calling it ACA takes to focus of one person and places it on every single Democrat that voted for socialized medicine. The 2014 elections needs to be about picking up as many Democrat senate seats as possible, becuase there are only 9 in pickup in 2016. We cannot afford to wait until 2018).


12 posted on 11/20/2013 2:36:13 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: Zathras
This is all because of gun control and tax increases.
Lets not mess this up by assuming its more than that.

You're right about that. State Dems really screwed up in thinking Coloradoans supported gun control. They didn't want new gun laws after Columbine, they didn't want new gun laws after Aurora, and they sure didn't want them now.

13 posted on 11/20/2013 2:40:07 PM PST by Drew68
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To: make no mistake

RE: I was wondering about Gov.John Kasich. How would he match up against Hillary?

How’s he going to differentiate himself from Obama or the Dems when he supported the expansion of MEDICAID in Ohio ( in fact fought his legislature on it)?

Same question to ask of the other governor — Susana Martinez.


14 posted on 11/20/2013 2:53:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Drew68

There was also some environmental crap that really screwed the northern and western parts of the state. Lots of out of state democrats moved into these areas. Hitting them in the wallet did not help.


15 posted on 11/20/2013 2:57:19 PM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: erod

Cruz is going to have to deal with the negative brand that the media has tried to hang around him like they did with Sarah Palin. It is totally not deserved but there is a perceived right wing extremism that the media has successfully painted him with in the eyes of independents and moderates.

Cruz is going to have to calmly and persistently champion conservative principles like Reagan was able to do. It won’t happen overnight and he is definitely smart enough to pull it off. He has enough gravitas to overcome this issue. He just needs to get to work.


16 posted on 11/20/2013 3:15:55 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mark Udall is a gonner.


17 posted on 11/20/2013 3:19:56 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: SeekAndFind

Never put any faith in the voters of CO!


18 posted on 11/20/2013 3:27:43 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: mountainlion

I would love to see Gov Palin as POTUS. Can you imagine what it would be like to have someone leading this country that you can trust?


19 posted on 11/20/2013 3:28:13 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: Theodore R.

Never put any faith in the voters of CO!

It is more the ones that count the votes and those that fill out mystery votes. A box of votes sent to Bloomfield County a week late and the head vote counter wanted to count them. Fraud is a large part of the Democrat victories in dirty Denver.


20 posted on 11/20/2013 3:33:28 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The commie ‘RATS and their union knuckledraggers might want to get busy filling out “provisional” and “early voting” ballots now. 2016 isn’t that far off.


21 posted on 11/20/2013 4:21:08 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repeal ObamaScam NOW!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pretty sure his low approval rating will not really matter after Valery Jarrett declares martial law.


22 posted on 11/20/2013 4:35:33 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think that the moderators should ban ANY David Frum commentary while reinstating the man who can’t be named (hint: a Northern Ireland city followed by man - after all the NI city has been right a heck of a lot more than Frum has.


23 posted on 11/20/2013 5:11:57 PM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Good Post, right on the mark.


24 posted on 11/20/2013 6:41:53 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon; rockinqsranch

What he needs is for people on his side to stop acting like female genitalia and support him. For crying out loud! Do you guys really think the media is going to stop trying to paint him as ‘extremist’?

Here’s how this works: we support him, because he’s honest, he’s right, and he can make a real case for what he believes. It will look like he can never win until all of a sudden, he wins. Not because he won over the media, but because when you give a guy like Ted Cruz the unfiltered microphone that comes with the Republican nomination, he will convince people. THAT is how Reagan did it.

If you guys don’t stop this wonkish wannabe BS, you’ll give us another McCain/Romney/Christie type!


25 posted on 11/20/2013 10:20:40 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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