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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
Reason ^ | November 21, 2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/21/2013 5:45:52 PM PST by kiryandil

Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; policestate
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Can I get a WTF? When did Ohio go Fascist?

Do they have intent-sniffing police dogs now?

1 posted on 11/21/2013 5:45:52 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

I still have a book I decades ago hollowed out for my stash of fire crackers. I’d better turn myself in.


2 posted on 11/21/2013 5:47:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: kiryandil

How the hell is ‘altering’ your car to have an extra compartment illegal?

This is the equivalent of banning house extensions for fear you might set up a meth lab. UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

But then again, with Obama cementing dictatorial powers in Washington, this is no surprise.

In the words of The Great One

“This isn’t soft tyranny, this isn’t hyphenated tyranny, this is now just TYRANNY!”


3 posted on 11/21/2013 5:49:19 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: kiryandil

Thought crime.


4 posted on 11/21/2013 5:49:55 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: kiryandil

Thought Crime.


5 posted on 11/21/2013 5:50:02 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: kiryandil
The first thing they have to prove is that he didn't buy the car with the hidden space already built.

I remember a story from back in the late 90s when they started the asset seizure program - a guy who had purchased a car at a government auction was stopped at one of those DUI checkpoints and they had a dog that found a compartment in the trunk with either drugs or drug residue. He was busted and claimed neither he nor the gubment folks who sold him the car had any idea.

I don't remember the outcome.

6 posted on 11/21/2013 5:50:43 PM PST by Baynative (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to pray.)
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To: kiryandil

Now to join such thought crimes as hate crimes...making a hidden compartment for obvious nefarious purposes.

Hitler would be proud.


7 posted on 11/21/2013 5:51:39 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Baynative

What if the secret compartment was built to hide his smokes from his wife? Or to stash his gun when he enters City Hall to pick up some papers. Or hide chocolates in there for his mistress?


8 posted on 11/21/2013 5:53:39 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: null and void

Maybe Santa will bring me a new mouse.


9 posted on 11/21/2013 5:54:03 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: 21twelve

My point ...a good defense attny can shred this prosecution.


10 posted on 11/21/2013 5:55:54 PM PST by Baynative (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to pray.)
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Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

I'm guessing that the secret compartment is labeled "Drug Storage" right? As opposed to "Secret stash for locking up stuff you don't want stolen out of your vehicle"....right?!

Who was the pimple-brain who dreamed up this law?

11 posted on 11/21/2013 5:57:17 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Viennacon; Revolting cat!
"'Keys' right, you put your weed in it."


12 posted on 11/21/2013 5:58:04 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: kiryandil

Hold on, I think there may be a bright side to this.....

Follow along.... Here goes.....

Ohio has arrested a man for having a compartment containing nothing.

So what they have done is arrested a man for nothing.

So.... What they are saying here is........

NOTHING is illegal!


13 posted on 11/21/2013 5:59:13 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: kiryandil

The public is out there committing crimes every day. We in law enforcement know this. We will catch you, we will bring you to justice. You cannot escape our web. We have an endless number of offenses with which to charge you. You are powerless to resist.


14 posted on 11/21/2013 6:00:46 PM PST by centurion316
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To: kiryandil

You can’t prove intent. How do they know that was the reason?


15 posted on 11/21/2013 6:04:57 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: kiryandil

Reminds of of the laws passed for ziplock bag possesion right after ziplock bags were invented.


16 posted on 11/21/2013 6:05:18 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: kiryandil

My kids mini-cooper has a secret compartment right above the glove compartment that it took him a year to find (after another mini owner showed it to him). It’s factory, but you have to push in a part below the airbag thing, and then a little door opens up, you can fit maybe a kleenex box in it.

Nothing in the manual about it. But standard on all mini clubmans.


17 posted on 11/21/2013 6:09:44 PM PST by esoxmagnum (Turtles don't win fights, they just turtle up. Victory belongs to the aggressor, not the turtle.)
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To: Nik Naym

Everything is illegal. That’s where it’s leading to.


18 posted on 11/21/2013 6:14:25 PM PST by Principle Over Politics (Is this a free country or what?)
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To: centurion316
You are powerless to resist.

I wouldn't put too much on the line on that bet.

/johnny

19 posted on 11/21/2013 6:33:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kiryandil

“When did Ohio go Fascist?”

Didn’t Ohio go for Obama?


20 posted on 11/21/2013 6:33:47 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Nik Naym
NOTHING is illegal!

Brilliant analysis ;-D

21 posted on 11/21/2013 6:35:00 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Cold Heart

“Reminds of of the laws passed for ziplock bag possesion right after ziplock bags were invented.”

I hadn’t heard that one before. Please enlighten me.


22 posted on 11/21/2013 6:37:02 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: kiryandil
Anybody old enough to remember The French Connection?


23 posted on 11/21/2013 6:38:09 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: kiryandil

I recall sometime in the early 1990’s when having a pager was reasonable suspicion for being a drug dealer.


24 posted on 11/21/2013 6:38:24 PM PST by posterchild
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To: null and void; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; TigerLikesRooster; Jack Black

FYI ping.

You can’t have nuthin’!


25 posted on 11/21/2013 6:39:15 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: kiryandil

“Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.”

Good luck to the DA in proving that ‘intent’ thing! LOL


26 posted on 11/21/2013 6:40:39 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: caver

“Reminds of of the laws passed for ziplock bag possesion right after ziplock bags were invented.”

I hadn’t heard that one before. Please enlighten me.
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Just another way for cops to make money:

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=47318


27 posted on 11/21/2013 6:40:45 PM PST by House Atreides ( D)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What was that that just went over your head?


28 posted on 11/21/2013 6:46:57 PM PST by centurion316
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To: kiryandil; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

How in the world do you prove intent?

PING!

29 posted on 11/21/2013 6:47:25 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: centurion316
You are powerless to resist.

True, unless the game of Felony Poker comes into play...

30 posted on 11/21/2013 6:47:53 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: House Atreides

“Just another way for cops to make money”

After reading the article and comments, it’s obvious that the cops made up the charges to cover their illegal activities. Hence, the cops are not on your side.


31 posted on 11/21/2013 6:49:29 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: kiryandil

How can they know the intent of the Secret Compartment??

Perhaps it was to hide vacation money in when they travel


32 posted on 11/21/2013 6:59:53 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

Or transporting election ballots from deceased Dem voters...


33 posted on 11/21/2013 7:01:48 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: kiryandil

sounds like another arbitrary King George law against the war on some drugs...


34 posted on 11/21/2013 7:02:11 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: kiryandil; Slings and Arrows
> Can I get a WTF?

Sure!

Slings: WTF non-ping...

35 posted on 11/21/2013 7:12:38 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: Venturer
How can they know the intent of the Secret Compartment??
Perhaps it was to hide vacation money in when they travel

Yup. Every one of my cars has a hidden compartment with money hidden. You never know when you'll lose or forget your wallet, but need to buy gas to get home. My daughters learned this rule from me, keeping a stash of hidden cash in the car just in case it's needed.

36 posted on 11/21/2013 7:14:49 PM PST by roadcat
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To: kiryandil
Thank you drug warriors for this and other unconstitutional bovine excrement. It is your fault this crap is happening.
37 posted on 11/21/2013 7:16:11 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: kiryandil
“I got plenty of nothing,
and nothing’s plenty for me.
38 posted on 11/21/2013 7:17:17 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: zeugma

No.

It’s drug users fault.


39 posted on 11/21/2013 7:26:42 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Baynative

I remember another case when a innocent man was convicted. He escaped. Later was proved innocent of the original crime but had to serve time for the escape.


40 posted on 11/21/2013 7:53:28 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: kiryandil

I heard someone this week say something like; the American people commit on average of 2 felonies a week.


41 posted on 11/21/2013 7:57:43 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: kiryandil
The so-called “secret” compartment was empty.

The prosecution has to prove:
1. He had criminal intent.
2. He made the illegal modification for illegal purposes.
3. If this car was previously owned, prove the mod was made by the present owner.

How does a prosecutor prove any of this? Good luck.

42 posted on 11/21/2013 7:59:21 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Venturer

“They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car. Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.”

Since I don’t think that “wires” are necessary to hide drugs, maybe he was wiring it for an external drive to store music files to play, or something like that.


43 posted on 11/21/2013 8:03:34 PM PST by deks ("This nation is in grave jeopardy." Mark Levin, November 21, 2013)
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To: ifinnegan
“It’s drug users fault.”

Yes, of course. They are taking ALL our freedoms, money and privacy because 1% of the population is addicted to $100/month (real value) worth of chemicals.

The percentage of addicts has not changed since the WOD began. It is most likely genetic and these mentally ill people are not influenced by any laws.

These addicts steal $10,000/month worth of property to buy $100 worth of drugs and hand it to gangbanger dealers. Maybe 1% are caught and then we pay $60k+ for prison until they get out and start immediately using again.

Even without counting the incredible cost of pointless law enforcement and prison, it would be far cheaper for society to give every addict free drugs, treatment and a place to sleep.

44 posted on 11/21/2013 8:15:32 PM PST by varyouga
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To: ifinnegan

Nope. Drug users have no pull with the powers that be. It is the drug warriors who have profited so mightily by the status quo, and the damage they’ve done to our republic.


45 posted on 11/21/2013 8:23:29 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: MasterGunner01
How does a prosecutor prove any of this? Good luck.

Most certainly he will prevail at trial, but its going to cost him $5000 to $8000 in legal fees which he will not be able recover. The States intent of the law is not to necessarily convict but impose pains and penalties to achieve their fascist unconstitutional objectives.

46 posted on 11/21/2013 9:10:39 PM PST by suijuris
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To: caver

Actually its an add on charge for drug possesion, assumes you are then dealing without saying so. I was on a jury where the guy was growing more pot then his marajuana card allowed. They found ziplock bags in his kitchen so added that charge. We found him guilty of everything except the ziplock. Try and find a kitchen without a ziplock. It was pretty much jury nulification.


47 posted on 11/21/2013 10:04:35 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: SkyDancer

You bring in that dog from New Mexico to hit on the compartment?


48 posted on 11/21/2013 10:16:52 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: zeugma

Liberal world view you are presenting.


49 posted on 11/21/2013 10:28:42 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: kiryandil

50 posted on 11/21/2013 10:30:09 PM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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