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The Democrats’ naked power grab
Washington Post ^ | November 21, 2013 | Dana Milbank

Posted on 11/22/2013 12:47:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

......Sen. Carl Levin (Mich.), one of just three Democrats who opposed his colleagues’ naked power grab, read those words on the Senate floor Thursday after Reid invoked the nuclear option. The rumpled Levin is not known for his oratory. But he is retiring next year and free to speak his mind — and his words were potent.

“We need to change the rules, but to change it in the way we changed it today means there are no rules except as the majority wants them,” Levin said. “This precedent is going to be used, I fear, to change the rules on consideration of legislation, and down the road — we don’t know how far down the road; we never know that in a democracy — but, down the road, the hard-won protections and benefits for our people’s health and welfare will be lost.”...

...Reid’s remedy — calling a simple-majority vote to undo more than two centuries of custom — has created a situation in which the minority leader, Mitch McConnell (Ky.), is expected to use the minority’s remaining powers to gum up the works, and to get revenge when Republicans regain the majority.

“If a Senate majority demonstrates it can make such a change once, there are no rules which binds a majority, and all future majorities will feel free to exercise the same power, not just on judges and executive appointments but on legislation,” Levin said Thursday. Quoting one of the Senate’s giants, Arthur Vandenberg, Levin said his fellow Democrats had sacrificed “vital principle for the sake of momentary convenience.”

If it was possible to make things even worse in Washington, Reid just did it.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: arthurvandenberg; bananarepublic; carllevin; cloture; endofsenate; federaljudges; filibuster; grandrapids; harryreid; harryried; michigan; nevada; nuclearoption; senate

1 posted on 11/22/2013 12:47:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reid’s “nuclear” move means the Dems know they’re auguring in, and fast.


2 posted on 11/22/2013 12:57:38 AM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If I am not mistaken, this nuclear option last only the next congress is sworn in? So if the Republicans win the Senate next year, they themselves would have to vote for this change to give them this same majority option the Rats voted for themselves yesterday.


3 posted on 11/22/2013 1:00:59 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Slow" Joe nailed it. "We're about to break the rules to change the rules."

Joe Biden: Using Nuclear Option Is A Lie About Senate Rules

4 posted on 11/22/2013 1:04:16 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But Reid’s remedy — calling a simple-majority vote to undo more than two centuries of custom — has created a situation in which the minority leader, Mitch McConnell (Ky.), is expected to use the minority’s remaining powers to gum up the works, and to get revenge when Republicans regain the majority.

Mitch, Reed's bi*ch, ain't up to it. Or, more precisely, is totally on board with the Dumbocraps.
5 posted on 11/22/2013 1:09:31 AM PST by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Odd that the first black president approved of a tyrrany of a majority, where the minority is at the mercy of the mob.


6 posted on 11/22/2013 1:12:36 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

I know you know this: 0Bammy doesn’t relate to blacks, he uses them.


7 posted on 11/22/2013 1:18:25 AM PST by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: TigersEye

Thank you for the link!

I did a poor job of posting the excerpt and you fixed it.

Bump!


8 posted on 11/22/2013 1:20:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I didn’t even know I was doing that! lol ;-)


9 posted on 11/22/2013 1:21:45 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Speaking of Democrat power grab ...

10 posted on 11/22/2013 1:22:48 AM PST by Zakeet (If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists - Friedrich Hayek)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This was their plan all along, to use a one Party control.

They did this when they had the House and the GOP couldn't muster up enough votes in the Senate.

Now, they are desperate to do their damage before next year.

The GOP must tell them that all business is going to stop and they will pay when the GOP regains the Senate.

11 posted on 11/22/2013 1:23:14 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration; All

Rush Limbaugh - November 21, 2013:

RUSH: I have a brief question for Senator McCain, Senator Susan Collins, and the rest. How is that “working across the aisle” thing working out for you now with this nuclear option thing? You stuck your hand out across the aisle to shake hands with ‘em, and now you gotta somehow reach around and take a knife outta your back.


12 posted on 11/22/2013 1:29:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is it with Dems and not realizing the consequences of an action taken for political convenience? Dems in Massachusetts did the same kind of thing when they wanted to put their ringer into Fat Teddy’s seat in the Senate, and then tried to backpedal madly when the same rulechange allowed Brown (though granted he turned out to be quite the disappointment) to take Kerry’s seat later. They’re always happy to gimmick the rules to suit themselves, and never seem to grasp that the change could ever affect them negatively.


13 posted on 11/22/2013 1:34:39 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; LucyT

The United States of America just became a Liberal Fascist State.The final link has been forged in the Legislative Branch.The Judicial Branch has been cowed and usurped.The executive branch is in the hands of fascists who betray America, her military and her allies.

All we have between the Obama Fascist movement, absolute tyranny, and the People is the House of Representatives.If they are defeated or subjugated by Obama, we will have gone over the edge of no return. Therefore the House of Representatives must fight and join with conservatives who are in the Senate, to repeal Obama Care. It must be done and we must oust the fascists in the next election while assuring that we have a GENUINE election.

Welcome to the United States of Zimbabwe.


14 posted on 11/22/2013 1:38:28 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Little Pig

They’re always happy to gimmick the rules to suit themselves, and never seem to grasp that the change could ever affect them negatively.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its the Will E Coyote syndrome. The roadrunner always wins.


15 posted on 11/22/2013 1:39:50 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We are no longer a republic.

This is mob government.

Thus was done for one reason:

“To give one man obscene and unchecked power”.


16 posted on 11/22/2013 1:54:09 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
.Sen. Carl Levin (Mich.), one of just three Democrats who opposed his colleagues’ naked power grab, read those words on the Senate floor Thursday... "We need to change the rules, but to change it in the way we changed it today means there are no rules except as the majority wants them... This precedent is going to be used, I fear, to change the rules on consideration of legislation, and down the road -- we don't know how far down the road; we never know that in a democracy -- but, down the road, the hard-won protections and benefits for our people's health and welfare will be lost... If a Senate majority demonstrates it can make such a change once, there are no rules which binds a majority, and all future majorities will feel free to exercise the same power, not just on judges and executive appointments but on legislation..."
Levin's just warning his fellow Demwits to work harder to ensure a durable majority a.k.a. a Single Party State. Thanks Cincinatus' Wife.


17 posted on 11/22/2013 2:24:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

It took lies:

“................Some see these nominees as an effort to pack the court after a series of decisions Obama did not like.

The issue was similar last July when Reid and company convinced the Republicans to capitulate on President Obama’s terrible nominees to the National Labor Relations Board. In tricking the Republicans into approving numerous nominees the Democrats promised they were “not touching judges.”

Harry Reid (D-NV): “We’re not touching judges. That’s what they were talking about. This is not judges.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 7/14/13)

Reid didn’t stop there. He made a similar promise at a Press briefing:

Harry Reid (D-NV): “We’re not talking about changing the filibuster rules that relates to nominations for judges. …this is not about judges.” (Sen. Reid, Press Briefing, 7/11/13)

Reid wasn’t alone in making such representations. Senators Sherrod Brown and Amy Klobuchar also offered similar assurances:

Sherrod Brown (D-OH): “…I think any president should have the ability to put people in place for the — at the pleasure of the president. These are not judges. That’s a whole another issue.” (MSNBC, 7/9/13)

Amy Klobuchar (D-MN): “…I don’t understand why for these nominees, I’m not talking about judges here, I’m talking about the president’s team, of which there are currently over 180 people that are just pending right now before the Senate for the Executive Office nominations. Why we can’t just do 51 votes is beyond me.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 7/14/13)......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3094125/posts?page=1


18 posted on 11/22/2013 2:29:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Quoting one of the Senate’s giants, Arthur Vandenberg, Levin said his fellow Democrats had sacrificed “vital principle for the sake of momentary convenience.”

(it's right at the heart of the downtown, in front of McKay Tower, kitty-corner from the Amway Grand)


19 posted on 11/22/2013 2:29:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We are now no different than a banana republic like Argentina. We have a President that doesn’t follow the law and a Senate that is no different than a town council. Thanks to leftists.

In Argentina sure they have a Constitution. It works until p-ssants like Cristina Fernandez decides it’s irrelevant. Sound familiar?


20 posted on 11/22/2013 2:35:42 AM PST by tom h
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To: JennysCool

This is not a bad thing. It means that if the Republicans gain control of the Senate next fall (increasingly likely), then by a simple majority they can start peeling back Obamacare.


21 posted on 11/22/2013 2:37:52 AM PST by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl

They can’t, because it specifically provides that if the constitution of the Senate changes (to a GOP majority), the change ceases to be in effect and reverts to the old system (2/3 majority).


22 posted on 11/22/2013 3:26:03 AM PST by livius
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To: tom h

All I’m waiting for now is an Enabling Act giving all power to the Executive. VZ’s rigged legislature just passed one.

Now that our Senate has been fatally rigged, I don’t think there’s much stopping it.


23 posted on 11/22/2013 3:27:45 AM PST by livius
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To: Candor7
Its the Will E Coyote syndrome. The roadrunner always wins.

No he doesn't.

Wile E. Coyote finally catches the Roadrunner.

24 posted on 11/22/2013 4:01:36 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: tom h

“.......[Harry] Reid clinched support for changing the rules at the weekly Tuesday Senate Democratic caucus lunch.

.....Reid, without mentioning the colleague’s name, told his caucus that one of its senior members who had long opposed filibuster reform, recently had a change of mind and privately urged him to trigger the controversial tactic.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) then rose before the room full of Democrats and identified herself as the recent convert.

“She got up right afterward and said, ‘He was talking about me,’” said a Democratic senator..... ?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3094249/posts


25 posted on 11/22/2013 4:37:02 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Little Pig
What is it with Dems and not realizing the consequences of an action taken for political convenience? Dems in Massachusetts did the same kind of thing when they wanted to put their ringer into Fat Teddy’s seat in the Senate, and then tried to backpedal madly when the same rulechange allowed Brown (though granted he turned out to be quite the disappointment) to take Kerry’s seat later. They’re always happy to gimmick the rules to suit themselves, and never seem to grasp that the change could ever affect them negatively.

It all comes down to the wisdom expressed in the old saying, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." They are so desirous of, and drunk on, power that they cannot see anything beyond tightening their grasp. The fact that they might one day be on the other side of the power grabs is irrelevant to them.

26 posted on 11/22/2013 4:44:53 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Half the time I click in to these threads just to see where the story came from. The sentiment is well known to us cons, but Dana Milbank? WaPo?? Really?

Kewl.


27 posted on 11/22/2013 4:50:45 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Republican Senators should commit civil disobedience. They should refuse to give up the podium. I don’t think they can be arrested.


28 posted on 11/22/2013 5:07:22 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.


29 posted on 11/22/2013 5:11:42 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: rawhide
If I am not mistaken, this nuclear option last only the next congress is sworn in? So if the Republicans win the Senate next year, they themselves would have to vote for this change to give them this same majority option the Rats voted for themselves yesterday.

Cite, please.

30 posted on 11/22/2013 6:12:11 AM PST by Washi
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To: Hootowl
This is not a bad thing. It means that if the Republicans gain control of the Senate next fall (increasingly likely), then by a simple majority they can start peeling back Obamacare.

Keep whistling past that graveyard.

The dems have a very powerful, very effective vote fraud machine. A republican win is not "increasingly likely", it's against all odds.

Even if those odds are overcome and the republicans win, they've got a long history of caving to dem whining about "fairness" and will doubtless change the rules back.

31 posted on 11/22/2013 6:20:52 AM PST by Washi
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To: livius

Yes, but the Republicans have already said what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and they’ll vote to keep the new rule.


32 posted on 11/22/2013 10:55:38 AM PST by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl

The GOP can’t vote to keep it (since it expires automatically if the majority changes), but they can vote it again. However, I doubt that they will.


33 posted on 11/22/2013 11:13:29 AM PST by livius
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Sounds like Karl Lenin isn't real confident that his party will be holding the senate for much longer.

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34 posted on 11/22/2013 1:31:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
the hard-won protections and benefits for our people’s health and welfare will be lost.”...

If this hard core socialist not chosen to retire, he'd be in the Reid camp.........

His vote yesterday was an attempt to salvage a possible Michigan re-election of another Democrat in his place........

35 posted on 11/22/2013 2:13:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: cripplecreek





36 posted on 11/22/2013 2:25:42 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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