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Posted on 11/22/2013 4:08:50 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Virginia Republicans Organizing to Blunt Tea Party Power
Stupid Party is going to moderate itself out of business.
Knock yourselves out, guys. Guess you don’t want to be an INCLUSIVE party.
Seriously, the answer isn’t for the Tea Party to back off this fight. Take them on and defeat them.
In Florida, the Tea Party got so strong that that little weasel Charlie Crist ran away.
We don’t win every battle, but we DO win. This effort for crony capitalism and the Rockefeller wing needs to be engaged.
Reagan beat them back, and we can do the same.
Yep, so long as it's their boy. Others need not apply. Support will be withheld and then the "I told you so" crowd will come out.
attacking small govt conservatism: sure sounds like a good way to spend GOP time and money
I hope names are named in this effort
“The path to getting a general election candidate who can win is the only thing we care about.
Culture, principles, morality, values, and liberty mean nothing if winning is the only thing.
The problem with that little scheme as I see it is that the Tea Party isn’t a group where you can catch them all in a building, lock them inside while the voting happens, and the issue goes away. They are individual, highly motivated voters that are sick to death of things the way they are. You are essentially talking about trying to destroy ants as a species, for want of a better comparison. That’s not going to happen easily, if at all.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. What passes for "conservative" in some parts of the country would run to the left of the liberals in other parts. That is what happens when values are graded on a curve.
Wyatt Durrette, who is part of this group, has not voted republican in decades. He admitted he voted for Al Gore over Bush.
Why should conservatives take advice from democrats?
“The path to getting a general election candidate who can win is the only thing we care about.”
The RINO Establishment has been given plenty of opportunity to get a general election candidate who can win, but hasn’t. If they’re just going to be “Democrat Lite”; then THEY are the ones who need to get out of the way. Governor Palin was the only reason I could hold my nose and vote McCain in 2008.
Yes, let’s keep posting articles like this from liberal sources so we can have our daily intramural m-st-rb-tion of self flagellation ..this kind of crap has been going on since before Reagan ..and place like THE HILL and The Politico and The AP and the NYT run these pieces simply to get us all lathered up .and to distract from Obama Care etc .and FReepers take it hook, line, sinker, boat, marina, shoreline, every damned time.
Yes, this is going on. Deal with it .don’t play the media’s game .
“They are individual, highly motivated voters that are sick to death of things the way they are.”
Highly motivated individuals will only take a movement so far. Organization and leadership are necessary for the long haul.
The Rhino’s a worried the Tea Party folks will take away their cushy sobs and perks. Support the Tea Party!!!!!
The path to getting a general election candidate who can win is the only thing we care about.
Worked great in ‘96, ‘08, and ‘12 didn’t it?
Actually though the problem we had in at least the last 2 was that we had one moderate and multiple conservatives. The establishment all voted for the moderate and we split our votes. We need to do it the other way around next time, even if we have to find and fund a second moderate to run.
The Republican Party has squandered the chance to give Americans a definitive choice, and has instead reasoned that they might win by being less of what their opponent is instead of something different. The reasoning, by virtue of the results, has disgusted the base and failed to energize new voters, some of whom are turning (in desperation) to third parties.
The problem is that these stories are the truth, no matter who’s publsihing them. The GOP-E is trying to stamp out the TEA Party movement, and Rove and company would rather lose elections than win with Conservative candidates. That is unacceptable, and I’ll be damned if I support the GOP-e because of its blatant backstabbing..
I agree with you. Every time I see one of these divisive articles I can guess which sources are behind it.
None of these tell us anything we don’t already know, but the idea is to keep the wound festering.
TP of VA brought this upon themselves when they voted for a Convention to select a candidate vs primary. In essence it was a power grab that insured TP backed candidate will be selected vs risking not thru a normal primary. This has ticked off not only establishment GOP but also moderate GOP members. Tea Party need to learn from this, if we are strong and have the support of the people we do not need to stoop to Parliamentary manueuvers to win. It also sets off very bad feelings. GOP of VA will have to work these hard feelings off before unity is re established. Problem with setting off party civil war, is the Dems will take advantage of it.
No, the point is NO DUH!!!! We get it. This is nothing but mental m-st-rbation for comments to come and daily prove they hate the estab more than any other poster
I wrote a damned entire book about it, Rove insulted me to my face over it in fact - so I'll put my anti estab cred up against any Freeper in history
.but I still say these threads are idiotic.
People have to be informed if they are going to be able to effectively fight back. Sticking your head in the sand is not an effective strategy.
They are individual, highly motivated voters that are sick to death of things the way they are
...it’s unfortunate that the sobriquet ‘Tea Party’ arose from these people’s efforts, because that, as an identifier, valid or not, enables demonization and lampooning by the opposition...any collective term can be appropriated and used as derogation in any cultural enterprise, most obviously in politics...the price of organization, so to speak...
...a loose confederation of those committed to limited government, I understand, doesn’t have the punch of the ‘Tea Party’, but it does at least have the cover of anonymity...
How can the wound possibly heal when the GOP-E keeps sticking shivs in us every day?
Really? Is that the best you got? Head in the sand? Not informed? Seriously?
-— . In essence it was a power grab that insured TP backed candidate will be selected vs risking not thru a normal primary. -—
A primary that is controlled by the Collaborators, which represents out-of-state moneyed interests. No thanks. A grass-roots convention sounds a hell of a lot better.
Sticking your head in the sand and making loud noises underneath is all you know who to do, Ed.
The Republican Party is already gone. And it won’t be back.
What's going on here is that in Virginia, corrupt crony Bill Bolling had been promised the nomination for 2013 in exchange for his support for Bob McDonnell in 2009. The mechanism for making this happen was the Commonwelath's primary system, which was susceptible to all kinds of manipulation.
However, as well all know, the TEA Party movement came along and upset Bolling's apple cart by forcing a change to a convention selection rather than a primary, and as a result Cuccinelli won the nomination instead of Bollings, who then became the king of sour grapes and openly colluded with McCaullife to subvert and ultimately defeat Cuccinelli in the general.
Now, Bolling's big business buddies are trying to get organized to stamp out Virginia's TEA Party movement, and change the rules back to what they were so that he can have another shot in 2017.
That's what's happening here...
Edmund's head in the sane and only working "underneath" (WTF ever that means) ping
Calling in some reinforcements, eh? You might have called some of the wrong people.
I agree with you, but I also think the GOPe guys got a shiv stuck to them yesterday. Their whole sales pitch with “walk across the aisle” crap was demolished with the Senate vote yesterday.
Those little emperors have no more clothes.
Well I guess it’s time to put in more time recruiting Tea Party members... lol
What our idiot government and the Alinskyites don’t seem to realize is that the more they overreach and try to control us the more people join the Tea Party. We don’t even have to have recruitment drives...: )
This time all the potential conservative candidates should have a set of debates and then a Pre Primary to select one and only one Conservative to battle Crispy Cream Christie.
Last time our guys cut each other up, their donors like Adelson and other wasted money that a conservative could have used in the General, and we wound up splitting our vote instead of uniting to block Romney.
Romney couldn’t run against Obamacare because Obama said often it was Romney’s idea in the first place.
Goliath boasts and ridicules David...how did that work out!
This didn’t just start in Va.
Remember how the ‘party’ screwed over Ollie North for senate.
Okay, I'll bite. I would suggest that the mere fact that you two are arguing is evidence of C.Ed's point. Our focus is in the wrong place if we are fighting each other. The primary target of our righteous anger should be on the democRAT party. Yes, the GOPe deserves its own share of our anger (which you BOTH agree on - no one's head is in the sand) but don't let the hill, pollutico, nyt and ap stir up exaggerated sh*t for us to be distracted by.
QUESTION: Did the GOP lose taking a Senate majority in 2012 because the GOPe didn't support 'Tea Party Movement' candidates who legitimately won their primaries OR because too many conservatives stayed home because they wanted to 'send a message' to the GOPe?
I think the answer is unfortunately is 'Yes' and 'Yes'. And it is state by state, and we have to be more strategic. Imagine the HUGE difference in Congress over the past year if Dingy Harry was minority leader. All we had to do was win winnable races in IN, MS, MT, ND and WV and it would have happened. What was the cost of sending a message?
We are in a LONG HARD SLOG. And that means fighting a war with an 'incremental strategy' of winning battle by battle, state by state. Generally, a candidate who can win in VA won't appear as 'conservative' as a candidate in MS or SC. For the record, Cuccinelli losing the VA governor race was totally the fault of the GOPe non-support, starting with his vanquished primary foe Bill Bolling who let personal sour grapes outweigh what was best for VA.
The planted story of this thread, pointed out upthread, is aimed at evoking conservative anger with the GOPe. Only this time, it may NOT even be the GOPe but Wyatt Durrette and friends seeking to pretend to be GOPe in order to create even more dissension in the GOP following the Cuccinelli loss. We shouldn't fall for it. It's a distraction from the bigger fish to fry. IMHO.
‘MS’ should be ‘MO’ above. Clod Akin. Just damn.
Most Tea Partiers are veterans, not likely to be cowed by any politician.
Substitute the people or the grassroots for the tea party.
Virginia Republicans organizing to blunt the peoples power.
Virginia Republicans organizing to blunt the grassroots power.
Virginia Republicans organizing to blunt the power of the citizen.
Appears to me like they are no different than the Democrats.
Exactly .NO ONE’S HEAD is in the sand. Period. It’s absurd to say otherwise.
And B: The Hill nor the Politico nor the AP nor Yahoo nor the NYT want to sovlve this problem,. Period. Nor do they deal with “breaking news” anymore.
Their motivation can be only ONE THING: to cause dissension among the conservative/Republican universe and distract. Period. I’m not falling for it.
If the latter, then that makes no sense at all, and in fact flies in the face of Sun Tzu's dictum about knowing your enemies, both in front and behind.
The GOPe hates us. Tell me something I don’t know. It’s called primaries people. Get up off your lazy worthless ass and do something about it. If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem.
Of course, most of the fools posting this stuff are troll, either liberal or Ron Paul kooks. If they stub their toe they post an article on it on how the f’n GOP doesn’t care and isn’t doing anything about it.
You don’t comprehend at a very high level the written word I’m afraid. Not a single extrapolation you have made is even remotely correct. For you to say I’m indicating these stories aren’t true is just breathtakingly absurd. I am saying, and I’m typing slowly to help you out, that these stories are OLD and we ALL KNOW THEM and that the sources quoted ARE HOPING YOU”LL SUCKER IN JUST AS YOU ARE DOING and that I am not doing it. So yes, ignore THESE stories - which, and I’m typing slowly again because I might lose you hear ..ignore them because THEY ARE OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD no duh OLD NEWS ..
Perhaps you shoulda taken more math and logic dude .I don’t deal in straw arguments ..or put another way, I’m 20 years ahead of you on Tzu’s advice.
No, you're 20 years ahead in thumping your own chest and promoting yourself, and that's about it.
So, let me get this straight. You accuse me of having my "head in the sand" and of not "understanding the enemy" a la the "Art of War" scenario. I simply respond to YOUR accusations by demonstrating, proving even - that I do not have my "head in the sand" and that for 20 years I have indeed understood the enemy. And then you get mad? I bet you "took your ball and went home" a lot as a boi, didn't you?
You just can’t get past your ego, can you?
Let me help you out you tiny little man .defending oneself against absurd and incorrect accusations and you did absurdly and incorrectly accuse me of several things has nothing to do with ego. Actually, it is YOUR ego that is bruised, that perhaps you poked the wrong bear ..
Being humblegunners boi friday is such a low bar of achievement congrats.
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