Skip to comments.America has gone from government of laws to semi-political banana republic
Posted on 11/22/2013 10:36:17 AM PST by yoe
The rule of law has been replaced in Washington by "yes we can." The events we witnessed Thursday in the Senate, that is Majority Leader Harry Reid's success at invoking the so-called 'nuclear option,' stripping the minority party of its primary power to block nominations, have become a stunning capstone to what has been already a steady erosion of a government of laws down to a sort of semi-political banana republic.
We are now living in a republic in which politicians do what they want without regard to tradition or the best interests of our country.
The rule of more than 200 years since the Senate was formed, as described by James Madison, to be "...the saucer of the hot cup of the House" has been overthrown.
[snip] The most recent and jarring example is the Affordable Care Act where the president has, despite the actual language of the law, assumed powers to exempt people, to change the meaning of the law. Of actual legislative statue.
In a way that is stunning. Indeed, the most egregious was the Democratic and Republican leaders coming together to agree to ignore the language in the Affordable Care Act legislation and grant themselves and their staffs a special subsidy. Sadly, this is something very few people have bothered to speak out against.
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Third Reich comes to mind.
I agree. America’s been “Weimar” for a few years now. We’ve gone overboard now. Yesterday was America’s “Reichstag Fire” moment, IMO.
Caddell further cementing his position as the Last Sane Democrat.
I don’t get the qualifier ‘semi-political’.
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty also: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Thomas Jefferson
Remember that bold statement as representing the underlying, and essential, principle of America's Declaration of Independence!
Then, as you think about John F. Kennedy today, remember these words from him:
The same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe, the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. - (John F. Kennedy - 1961 Inaugural)
Pat, when, and how, did your Party's leadership wander so far away from that essential, underlying principle of liberty?
Patrick Caddell. The last principled democrat on earth?
Pat Caddell has almost made up for giving us Carter.
The truth of the matter is the legislative branch is now irrelevant. That fundamental change obama promised has arrived. I still can’t understand how he has so many people on his side. Even if it’s NSA blackkmail it would mean thousands of people helping him. It has to be evil plain and simple.
The Rat idiots have no boundaries on either their tyranny or their will to control.
They will abide by nothing less than that legal remedy, and they may even disregard that, leaving only one option.
Let me remind you that we here on FR have know this for a LONG TIME.
See Post #23:
Welcome to New Kenya
Where the law of the jungle has replace the Law of the Land
23 posted on Wed 28 Jan 2009 06:42:31 AM CST by Texas Fossil
Agree with a small addition to your listing of characteristics redundant as it may seem.
I am trying hard to find where the founds required 60 votes. I really am. We wanted the Republicans to do this when they had the Senate and were pissed off when McCain caused the Republicans to chicken out.
Yes, we can be a Marxist tyranny!
WE HAVE PASSED THE POINT. WE ARE A COMMUNISTS RULED NATION.
Come on Pat, there is no law that says the Senate must honor a filibuster. Its a tradition not law.
Each house makes it own rules, controlled by majority.
Power grab yes, illegal no
You know.... when the have nots figured out they could vote to take money away from the haves.... its been over since then. And really, while we love our constitution and the brilliance of the forefathers. Like most legal documents, it wasn’t perfect. And we’re seeing that play out.
America's Constitution set the rules and limits for such power-thirsty individuals who might combine with others of their stripe to undermine "the People's" Constitution.
Below are the words of James Madison:
"Of the Declaration of Rights by the Assembly of France, Madison said: "The three first articles are the base of Liberty, as well individual as national; nor can any country be called free whose government does not take its beginning from the principles they contain, and continue to preserve them pure; and the whole of the Declaration of Rights is of more value to the world, and will do more good, than all the laws and statutes that have yet been promulgated. "As it was impossible to separate the military events which took place in America from the principles of the American Revolution, the publication of those events in France necessarily connected themselves with the principles which produced them. Many of the facts were in themselves principles; such as the declaration of American Independence,
"While the Declaration of Rights was before the National Assembly some of its members remarked that if a declaration of rights were published it should be accompanied by a Declaration of Duties. The observation discovered a mind that reflected, and it only erred by not reflecting far enough. A Declaration of Rights is, by reciprocity, a Declaration of Duties also. Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess. "However true, therefore, it may be, that the judicial department, is, in all questions submitted to it by the forms of the Constitution, to decide in the last resort, this resort must necessarily be deemed the last in relation to the authorities of the other departments of the government; not in relation to the rights of the parties to the constitutional compact, from which the judicial as well as the other departments hold their delegated trusts. On any other hypothesis, the delegation of judicial power would annul the authority delegating it; and the concurrence of this department with the others in usurped powers, might subvert for ever, and beyond the possible reach of any rightful remedy, the very Constitution which all were instituted to preserve.
"The three first articles are the base of Liberty, as well individual as national; nor can any country be called free whose government does not take its beginning from the principles they contain, and continue to preserve them pure; and the whole of the Declaration of Rights is of more value to the world, and will do more good, than all the laws and statutes that have yet been promulgated.
"As it was impossible to separate the military events which took place in America from the principles of the American Revolution, the publication of those events in France necessarily connected themselves with the principles which produced them. Many of the facts were in themselves principles; such as the declaration of American Independence,
"The truth declared in the resolution being established, the expediency of making the declaration at the present day, may safely be left to the temperate consideration and candid judgment of the American public. It will be remembered that a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles, is solemnly enjoined by most of the state constitutions, and particularly by our own, as a necessary safeguard against the danger of degeneracy to which republics are liable, as well as other governments, though in a less degree than others. And a fair comparison of the political doctrines not unfrequent at the present day, with those which characterized the epoch of our revolution, and which form the basis of our republican constitutions, will best determine whether the declaratory recurrence here made to those principles, ought to be viewed as unseasonable and improper, or as a vigilant discharge of an important duty. The authority of constitutions over governments, and of the sovereignty of the people over constitutions, are truths which are at all times necessary to be kept in mind; and at no time perhaps more necessary than at the present." - James Madison
So our nation has been hanging by a thread for 200 years by “a rule”?
Not illegal, just illustrative of the current attitude of “we’ll get rid of any Constitution, law, regulation, or rule that’s in our way, and damn the consequences!”
Interesting that the cause of the fire is debatable. Could well have been a false flag by the Nazis. Mmmm...false flag...where have I heard about that being used before?
Republicans wont bring everything to a halt because as guilty as Democrats are of bullying whoever is in their path to get their way, Republicans are just as guilty of putting themselves first, before the people. Their damaging tactics are different but not less damaging.
They only care about political posturing. They think the nuclear option will only enhance their chances in 2014 therefore they just stand back and watch saying “Look what a bully Reid/Obama is”. To hell with the fact that the Democrats are taking over more of America with each move, Republicans are as guilty of putting their power over the people as Democrats.
You know... if/when we win back the senate.... we make a new senate rule that says, the senate can invalidate its consent of any judge that has been appointed in the past 3 years. Bounce all of his appointees out and then laugh at the liberal press when they go bat*&^#. :)
Plenty of areas to point that out, but changing that rule is something talk radio hosts were demanding in 2005
I'll take exception to that. There have been many posters on FR that endorsed the communists empire. Those are the ones that opposed Romney. Those are the ones that didn't listen to Glenn Beck when he was on TV. Those are the ones that gave Newt a hard time. The list in huge. Everyone made mistakes but blind hate is no excuse. None of the above were perfect but with Romney, NO FEDERAL HEALTH CARE. He was totally opposed and stated many times that health care was a State problem and choice.
Glenn Beck outlined how communism would take over America unless we were informed and stop the move. He was right and was so far worried that he went to the religious way for redemption. Wrong move. Religion is a path but it is our works that would make the difference. Faith without works is dead.
Newt was and always will be a Constitutional conservative and in spite of some mistakes was and still is right.
I still cant understand how he has so many people on his side.
One indicator of why so many still back him is most Progressives thought there was nothing wrong in the IRS targeting Tea Party and other conservative groups. Progressives are tyrannical bastards. Obama might be an evil sonofabitch but he’s their evil sonofabitch.
I never stated that ALL here on FR knew from the beginning.
I showed you that I made such a statement in Jan 2009.
There were many others here who fully understood what he was then.
Romney has since said that he would have enforced Obamacide's provisions through the states. So yes, no Federal health care -- just statist health care forced us on through a warped sense of federalism. Not exactly 'totally opposed'.
For other reasons, yes. But not for this. I have said over and over again that the filibuster is utterly unconstitutional. It should not exist. At all. As long as we focus on rabble rousing and silly arguments like this is some illegal, unconstitutional power grab we are doomed because it will color all our arguments (well it already has).
The Founding Fathers did not intend a filibuster. Get the word out. Win elections. But, sadly, we have nitwits in charge of the GOP.
And while I’m on it, winning the Senate, while important, has no effect on this as long as a Dem is in the WH. Quite frankly, I wish the GOP had gotten rid of the Judicial filibuster 10 years ago. back then, Conservatives were cheering for them to do it. Now, this is “illegal”, etc? Please.
Let’s return to what the Framers intended, get off this silly argument, and elect us some Conservatives.
We are powerless because they control the media. Joseph Goebbles would be embarrassed by the lies that are repeated day after day by the lapdog press in this country.
We are powerless because of the "bread & circus" programs the government employs to keep masses of people ignorant to their malfeacance.
And when "immigration reform" is passed, and it will be w/ smiling republicans in on the photo op, its over.
This isn't going to end well folks.
No, it is not. Essentially, every decent individual with good character and high morals is going to decide how they die:1. On their feet as free men/women fighting. or 2. Starved and worked to death in one of Obama’s or one of his stooge’s camps. Unless one dies a natural death before then, there will be no third option.
It is the God-given duty of the government and every man to protect and preserve God-given natural rights. But, if there is no God, which is what secular humanist, marxist, and postmodernist libtards believe, then there is nothing to stop them from the use of force based on the ideas that might makes right and the end justifies the means.Say hello to tyranny.
I don't consider either of those options "ending well".
Wonder what KhristalNact will be and when.
Those are the ones that voted for Romney in the primary.
Fixed it for you. The word was out for months that Romney would lose because a huge chunk of the conservative base saw right through him. But Hugh Hewitt and his ilk convinced republican R or nothing voters that he was "electable".
Yes, governmentally, America has devolved into a corrupt banana-republic. And, culturally, America has devolved into a degenerate sewer. Can a country like this even have a future? I have considerable doubt.
Isn’t “Banana Republic” racist (TM)?
Don’t think Romney was as rigged as McLame was.
The Rule of Law is dead and the legislative branch irrelevant, and done by design at the hands of dingy harry reid. He has blocked every piece of legislation in the Senate since the passage of 0bamacare. It has been deliberate, because the intent is to create a dysfunctional congress that cannot carry out its constitutional duties. Thus, it opens the door for the executive to assume de facto dictatorial powers without being challenged.
It's not that we are powerless to do what it takes. Nobody has the will.
Our Founding Fathers would have burned their houses, destroyed their farms, their land, and when caught they would have been shot or hung.
So, no, we don't have the will.