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Mother of minivan of kids shot at by police speaks out against'terrifying
DAILY MAIL ^ | 22 November 2013 | RYAN GORMAN and DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Posted on 11/22/2013 12:29:43 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Mother of minivan of kids shot at by police speaks out against'terrifying individual' police officer

The mother who led New Mexico police on a dramatic chase that culminated in their shooting at the minivan she was driving with her children inside has spoken out about the incident. Calling one of police officers a 'terrifying individual,' Oriana Ferrell, 39, wrote in a letter penned from her prison cell last month and published in the Taos News yesterday that she drove away from police repeatedly to protect her children. 'A uniformed officer can shoot three bullets at my van and be considered to be “doing his job”, but my doing what I can to get my own children away from such a terrifying individual has been termed “child abuse” and “endangerment,” according to New Mexico law,' she wrote.

New Mexico State Police have opened an investigation into the conduct of the troopers - and driver Oriana Ferrell and her 14-year-old son are facing charges. Calling herself a 'peace officer,' Ferrell writes: 'As a single, African-American mother of five in this country, things are tough enough I should not have to endure harassment at the hands of someone who has been hired to protect the citizens of this land over an alleged “speeding offense.” No one should.'

The traffic stop took place south of Taos, New Mexico, on October 28 - but it sparked local outrage after the video from a state police dashboard camera went public. Footage shows the officer casually walk up to the vehicle and begin speaking with the driver. When the officer walks away, presumably to run the license and registration and decide whether to write a ticket, the van takes off.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
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I still do not get why she just took off ? That reeks guilty of something - when the pedal is put to the medal.
1 posted on 11/22/2013 12:29:43 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Again: The officer was wrong to shoot. However, up to that point, the woman and her older son instigated and escalated the whole event. I too would like to know why she kept taking off and resisting the officers....


2 posted on 11/22/2013 12:34:17 PM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: moonshinner_09

She is after whitey’s money now!


3 posted on 11/22/2013 12:36:22 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Drugs and paraphernalia in the van. Other articles casually mention it or bury it.


4 posted on 11/22/2013 12:37:17 PM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Alaska Wolf

Bad shot placement ping...


5 posted on 11/22/2013 12:38:21 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: moonshinner_09

Apparently it was because they had already ticketed her, but the choices were to pay on the spot or go see a judge at that very moment.


6 posted on 11/22/2013 12:43:08 PM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: moonshinner_09

Sorry, no sale. She was speeding, stopped and then ran.

“That’s it: Having seen enough, the teen jumps out of the car to confront the officer”
typical behavior of black males


7 posted on 11/22/2013 12:44:55 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
thread here
8 posted on 11/22/2013 12:45:45 PM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: moonshinner_09

Panic makes folks do a lot of strange things.. Ask Harry Reid.


9 posted on 11/22/2013 12:53:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Ingtar

She didn’t have time for a cavity search and a colonostopy. :-)


10 posted on 11/22/2013 1:07:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: moonshinner_09

She’s the one who escalated a simple traffic stop into something much worse. She put her children in danger, not the cops.


11 posted on 11/22/2013 1:11:02 PM PST by pgkdan (Stay Calm and Cruz on! Ted Cruz for President in 2016!)
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To: MarMema

The “pay on the spot” is the killer ,, think of it from her side ,, the only reason small towns do that is because they are robbing people ... typically they do not report the ticket info and it doesn’t show up on your license ... this is done so that they get fewer complaints and they can continue thieving longer and longer ... decades of abuse ... if they followed the rules and reported the “infraction” (and driving 71 on a straight clear road through the friggin desert is not anything that should deserve a ticket) then there would be no reason for the pay now in cash scheme ,, they could ding your license with a suspension no matter what state you are from and get paid..

The cops are the thieves in this instance .


12 posted on 11/22/2013 1:17:26 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: moonshinner_09

“As a single, African-American mother of five in this country, things are tough enough “

Boo intercoursing hoo. I was about to have sympathy for her when I read this.


13 posted on 11/22/2013 1:23:53 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I was stopped for speeding (48/30) in another state and taken to a local justice where I was given the choice of pleading guilty to the infraction or posting bail for a traffic hearing. The bail was the same amount as the ticket. I paid the fine and even though the state had a reciprocating agreement with my state the conviction never showed up on my driving record.


14 posted on 11/22/2013 1:25:55 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: pgkdan

When I watched the video, I was appalled. She treated her kids as an excuse. She obviously thought nothing about what her actions and possible consequences would mean played out in front of the children. I can see why the shots were fired, not that I am convinced it was the best response. The other officers pulled up to see the thug son striking an officer. When they broke the window, they saw a toy gun in the car, but did not have time to identify it as a toy before she drove off. Everything she did made it worse.


15 posted on 11/22/2013 1:53:10 PM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: MarMema

New Mexico absolutely does not have a pay at the roadside option. That’s regular Mexico.

You have two options statewide. Sign a penalty assessment admitting guilt. You may then mail in the fine, pay on the courts website, etc. You risk getting an arrest warrant issued if you do not send it in within 30 days.

Option 2, see a judge. If you are from New Mexico, you get a court date. Otherwise, you must go meet a judge right then. You will probably be asked to post bond equal to the fine if you wish to set up a different court date.

But there is simply not an option to pay at roadside. The woman was an ass looking for a cause who lead a speeding chase through an area where she could have killed tourists, motorcyclists, bike riders, etc. Her kids are no more valuable than mine.

She could have signed the ticket with no danger. If she fled, she could have driven normally into town. She was the danger here. Not the guy going for her tires. At the 2nd stop, it would have been better to deploy a spikebelt in front of her van though. She had already fled once.


16 posted on 11/22/2013 2:04:46 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Neidermeyer
on a straight clear road through the friggin desert

New Mexico 518? Not straight and at a max elevation of 9700' not desert either. There's not much of it I'd drive at 70 in my Honda S2000, much less a minivan full of kids.

17 posted on 11/22/2013 2:05:57 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Neidermeyer

There is no pay on the spot in New Mexico. None whatsoever. And state police would be the last doing it there.

It’s a choice. Sign that you admit guilt and send in the fine. Or sign that you opt to fight it in court. If you are from out of state, you’ll have to see a judge and post a bond. I personally think that system is unreasonable. In this highly mobile society, everyone should get the exact same court date options. That’s a court rule from another era when some grapes of wrath type would never show for court, and never come back to face a charge.

But nobody is collecting cash on the side of the road. Especially state troopers, on camera, with backup. Those guys are nasty jerks, but they are straight arrows and prigs about rules, like Game Wardens.


18 posted on 11/22/2013 2:12:44 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Hand over the S2000 , you’re wasting it .. I’ve gone over that in many a parking lot (solo2 in a GTI).


19 posted on 11/22/2013 2:14:34 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

My sister (with a minivan filled with kids) was stopped once and told to pay on the spot and was absolutely convinced from the encounter that it was a dirty or fake cop engaged in highway robbery and was horribly frightened by the whole thing. She was very frightened of the officer’s aggressive insistence on immediate payment.

Since we can’t hear the verbal exchange at the initial encounter, is it possible that this women was similarly freaked out and that is why she took off the first time?

(I realized that the cops allege drugs and bongs were found in the car, but cops alos lie and plant evidence. And after the hot mess this stop turned into, they would be very motivated to “find” evidence that would make the lady appear to be a drug addled nutcase, so I’m not taking the alleged drugs at face value until more is known about this family).


20 posted on 11/22/2013 2:15:27 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Neidermeyer

Yeah, but based on your profile location, the chance of you hitting an elk at speed is pretty low.


21 posted on 11/22/2013 2:15:59 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“New Mexico 518? Not straight and at a max elevation of 9700’ not desert either. There’s not much of it I’d drive at 70 in my Honda S2000, much less a minivan full of kids.”

Very true. And that area you can encounter tourists looking at the view instead of watching for a lunatic a minivan. Motorcycles out for an afternoon putt. The random agricultural implement.

That’s not a road for her BS. Not to mention, one of the most violent times in recent NM history was the Tennessee black gang who moved in with dope, murder, prostitution, and even human trafficking. They brought a small misery wave to Albuquerque.


22 posted on 11/22/2013 2:19:35 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: moonshinner_09

No she was scared and felt isolated. I have felt the same way when an officier started yelling at me at a traffic stop.

The over reaction of these police was appalling. She wanted to get to a more populated area and one of the clowns started breaking in her window with the kids in the van.

These police are animals and there will be more to come.


23 posted on 11/22/2013 2:21:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: DesertRhino

Yeah, the Memphis Mafia, I remember that.


24 posted on 11/22/2013 2:22:33 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Valpal1

In New Mexico, if you get asked to pay cash right there on the road, you are literally being robbed, likely by someone who just bought a flashing red light. Either shoot it out with the criminal, or pay up and then call 911 when you can escape. Etc etc.

New Mexico corruption in the traffic zone tends to take the form of overzealous and unreasonable enforcement. With no quarter given. In fact, even in the anal probe case they followed the rules, except a few minor procedural points. Had the dog had its certification updated, and the search had of wound up in the same county, and had the judge certified it for night time, it would have all been legal.

Its insane, but true. The problem in NM is the rules themselves, its not really a New Orleans type of “give me your money” corruption. In NM that direct shakedown is only reserved for businessmen seeking state contracts or permits, and people seeking judge appointments from Bill Richardson, etc.


25 posted on 11/22/2013 2:30:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

And yes,, the elk up there. Always a fun surprise.


26 posted on 11/22/2013 2:31:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
Very true. And that area you can encounter tourists looking at the view instead of watching for a lunatic a minivan. Motorcycles out for an afternoon putt. The random agricultural implement.

Not to mention deer, elk and the potential steer or horse that has escaped its pasture. From one end to the other it's a mountain road.

27 posted on 11/22/2013 2:31:19 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

But I have to dodge tourists and 80+ y.o. people that cross 3 lanes in 50 yards at half the speed limit when they finally spot the “Golden Corral” sign.


28 posted on 11/22/2013 2:33:46 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Good point I’ll stick with the elk and occasional bear.


29 posted on 11/22/2013 2:34:48 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yes!! Answer of the day. I posted something similar on a previous thread about this incident.


30 posted on 11/22/2013 3:46:41 PM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

That sounds like Oklahoma!

I got my first ticket in NM, right after the speed limits were dropped to 55 on I-40.

Paid by mail.


31 posted on 11/22/2013 3:46:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Because he wanted her to pay for the tkt right there


32 posted on 11/22/2013 3:49:24 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pgkdan

So the cops should have arrested her. Instead they failed to control her and allowed the situation to escalate. Then they used deadly force without cause.


33 posted on 11/22/2013 3:51:12 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DesertRhino
Well there was this that made us think otherwise...

After being issued the citation, the officer wrote that Ferrell proceeded to drive north in her Kia Sedona minivan after declining to pay the fine or return to Taos to contest it before a judge.

34 posted on 11/22/2013 3:52:07 PM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Ingtar
we are not that desperate in this country are we, to have cops shooting at vehicles with young people inside...

did they suspect her of murder?..kidnapping?...mayhem?...bombing?....

they didn't suspect her of any thing really, so why the shooting?...

what has happened to common sense and proportionality and discretion?......gone down the toilet in the name of policing the peasants....

35 posted on 11/22/2013 4:17:26 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: pgkdan

Bullsh*t......the officer had NO LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE REASON FOR
FIRING HIS WEAPON. Her conduct is irrelevant as it posed no reasonable threat to the safety of the officer or any one else proximate to the scene.

The badgemonkey fired hisngun at a vehicle moving AWAY from him....it was no threat to him ot others therefore bis actions do not meet the legal definition to justify the use of deadly force. He BELONGS IN PRISON.


36 posted on 11/22/2013 5:05:45 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: moonshinner_09
Mother of minivan of kids shot at by police speaks out against 'terrifying...

What did this dumbass think would happen when she flees a traffic stop (twice!) and had drug paraphernalia in her car??

37 posted on 11/22/2013 7:32:32 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: moonshinner_09; LegendHasIt; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...

Delayed NM list *PING*!


38 posted on 11/24/2013 7:39:20 AM PST by CedarDave (Small town America - last stand for God, freedom, civility, and American values.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Calling herself a 'peace officer,' Ferrell writes: 'As a single, African-American mother of five in this country, things are tough enough I should not have to endure harassment at the hands of someone who has been hired to protect the citizens of this land over an alleged “speeding offense.” No one should.'

Nothing like playing the RACE card.

39 posted on 11/24/2013 7:59:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: driftdiver

Where did that part of the story start? I read the first articles and there was nothing about that. I have never heard of anyone being asked to pay a ticket to the officer on the side of the road in New Mexico. If she admitted guilt she would be required to mail in her fine and given 30 days to do it. If she wished to plead innocent she would have been required to appear before a judge, so likely would have been taken into custody to make her appearance, that is true here for people out of state- right or wrong it is the law as I understand it. Nothing that I know of requires or allows people to pay their ticket on the roadside in New Mexico.


40 posted on 11/24/2013 8:59:43 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: MarMema
Apparently it was because they had already ticketed her, but the choices were to pay on the spot or go see a judge at that very moment.

There is no such thing. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today.

I got a speeding ticket in NM five or six years ago and I got a ticket and received my bill at home in California a month later and sent in my money.

I suspect that the deal was the police were denied a search of the vehicle and they were going to call in for a warrant.
The NM highways are known as a transportation route for drug smugglers heading west with drugs and heading east with bags of money. The traffickers use different profiles as to not attract attention. So it would be reasonable to inspect a vehicle that reeks of pot and has a large carrying capacity.

41 posted on 11/24/2013 9:08:36 AM PST by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: driftdiver

It appeared the first officer to deal with her did attempt to arrest her but he was not aggressive enough to get it done, I understand why and it all has to do with PC. He was not only dealing with a female but a black female and knew his every action would be under a microscope. So he tried to be “gentle” with her and she got away from him. If he had just grabbed her and cuffed her like he would have if she had been a white male the story would have ended there, unless people would have been up in arms that he was too forceful.

Yes LEOs screw up and yes some are totally out of line, but others are good professionals that have a hard time doing their job due to PC crap.


42 posted on 11/24/2013 9:40:05 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: moonshinner_09

As if she was protecting her children driving around smoking dope with her 14 yr old son...

Farrell and her 14-year-old son are both arrested. The mother gets child abuse and fleeing charges as well as a misdemeanor for possession of drug paraphernalia. The Taos News reports that State Police claim they found two marijuana pipes in the minivan. Her son is charged with battery of an officer.

The family is reportedly from Memphis and was visiting New Mexico on an educational trip.


43 posted on 11/24/2013 9:50:22 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Tammy8

I don’t take issue with anything they did, until they used deadly force.

huge downside and no upside


44 posted on 11/24/2013 10:24:49 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tammy8

In some jurisdictions law enforcement can require the ticket be paid there or require an appearance. Apparently this occurred in one of those areas.

To clarify my earlier comment. They screwed up and allowed the situation to escalate. I have a problem with that because it endangered lives.

But thats not really cause to condemn the cops, until they opened fire.


45 posted on 11/24/2013 10:26:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tammy8
After being issued the citation, the officer wrote that Ferrell proceeded to drive north in her Kia Sedona minivan after declining to pay the fine or return to Taos to contest it before a judge.
46 posted on 11/24/2013 2:41:45 PM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Tammy8

I never ever heard of NM State Police requiring fine paid to officer on the side of the road. It does sound that way but I think the reporter must have misunderstood or the LEO wrote it up in a confusing way. In NM drivers do have to sign the ticket that you admit guilt and will pay the fine. It is my understanding if an out of state driver does not want to admit guilt they must appear before a judge as soon as possible. If she refused to admit guilt or appear before judge then she was subject to arrest.

I find it hard to believe the LEO started off being a jerk; she was speeding on a winding mountain road, and the officer could have arrested her on the spot for reckless driving if he just wanted to jack with her.


47 posted on 11/24/2013 3:10:18 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: driftdiver

I looked to me like the officer was shooting at her tires in an attempt to stop her. I think at that point that officer did not know what they were dealing with- at least two of her children looked like adults, one was 18 and the one that got out and fought with the officer was 14 but adult size. One officer saw a gun that turned out to be a toy but may have looked real through the window. She was out of control, her son was out of control and neither were complying with officer commands. She had been speeding on a mountain road and that put everyone on the road in danger. I do not think the situation required deadly force but if this story had played out where they let her drive away without doing everything in their power to stop her and she had wrecked and killed her family or another family I think many would be screaming that the LEO should have done everything to stop her.


48 posted on 11/24/2013 3:25:17 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

Of course he “saw a gun”. The threshold of justification is so incredibly low they can get away with anything.

The cops failed big time here. They allowed a simple traffic stop to escalate, failed to control it, and then used deadly force and put the lives of several children at risk.


49 posted on 11/24/2013 3:52:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tammy8

If he thought he saw a gun why did he try to shoot out the tires?

Horse pucky


50 posted on 11/24/2013 3:53:30 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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