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No Deal - Will Israel Fight?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 12/2/2013 | William Kristol

Posted on 11/22/2013 7:59:10 PM PST by Cicero1234

But one can’t be optimistic about their chances for success in scuttling the deal. And one can’t be optimistic that the Obama administration will reverse course at the eleventh hour. Which means the last, best hope for stopping the Iranian regime from having nuclear weapons may well lie in a deus ex machina (if one may be permitted to use a pagan phrase for a Jewish state). It is Israel, not the great American superpower, that may well have to act to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions. And so the democratically elected leader of Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will have to weigh his choices, with the burden of history on his mind and the judgment of future generations in his thoughts.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abcdehilnorst; iran; israel; lebanon; netanyahu; russia; syria; war; waronterror
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Will Israel fight?
1 posted on 11/22/2013 7:59:10 PM PST by Cicero1234
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To: Cicero1234

Who really cares?


2 posted on 11/22/2013 8:00:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Cicero1234

According to G_d’s word ... YES.


3 posted on 11/22/2013 8:05:03 PM PST by doc1019 (Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!)
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To: Cicero1234

Not a great time. We’re currently beating Hussein over the head with his own failure. The less distractions, the better.

Just blow up another scientist. That will slow them down.


4 posted on 11/22/2013 8:06:09 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Cicero1234

They fight or they die.


5 posted on 11/22/2013 8:08:12 PM PST by DManA (rs)
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To: Cicero1234

It would be serendipitous if a series of nuclear accidents left the major sites a permanently irradiated hole in the ground.

Strictly an industrial accident.

About anything else leads us into a war of biblical proportions.


6 posted on 11/22/2013 8:14:48 PM PST by marron
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To: Alberta's Child

Everybody with a soul...


7 posted on 11/22/2013 8:18:55 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: dps.inspect
It's really funny how time changes one's perspective on things.

In 1979 the Ayatollah Khomenei was Public Enemy #1 in the United States, and he'll be remembered in the history books for his signature reference to the United States of America as "the Great Satan."

I look around me in 2013 and I realize that he was probably right about that one.

8 posted on 11/22/2013 8:22:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child; Old Sarge; TheOldLady
In 1979 the Ayatollah Khomenei was Public Enemy #1 in the United States, and he'll be remembered in the history books for his signature reference to the United States of America as "the Great Satan."

I look around me in 2013 and I realize that he was probably right about that one.

Is that a fact?

9 posted on 11/22/2013 8:27:26 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Cicero1234

And so the democratically elected leader of Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will have to weigh his choices, with the burden of history on his mind and the judgment of future generations in his thoughts.

No mention of the Lord, but He might have some influence.
Bibi I’m sure is well aware of His judgement too.
Will the jewish people be found wanting or rightious...
will we?

Obama it seems has turned his face from Israel, will
we have to pay a terrrible price because of his actions?


10 posted on 11/22/2013 8:28:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I do


11 posted on 11/22/2013 8:30:40 PM PST by Cicero1234
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To: Cicero1234

Everybody with a soul...


12 posted on 11/22/2013 8:31:53 PM PST by marron
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To: Slings and Arrows
Look around you, Dude. Christian countries used to send missionaries to pagan nations like this.

My forefathers who fought in wars wouldn't have wasted their time and risked their lives if they knew what this country would be today.

The Germans may have lost World War II, but it sure looks to me like the Nazis won.

13 posted on 11/22/2013 8:31:58 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: tet68

I think Bibi knows the American people, he’s a son of Philadelphia, well kinda, but he knows America better than Zero. The American People will support Israel if they strike Iran, if Zero doesn’t then it just show that he is a Muslim.

Rebuild the temple!


14 posted on 11/22/2013 8:36:00 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Our forefathers would probably take a broom to us, seeing that we let this country become what it has.


15 posted on 11/22/2013 8:37:20 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Cicero1234

Sooner or later Israel will have to act.


16 posted on 11/22/2013 8:40:49 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Irenic
Maybe YOUR forefathers would.

My forefathers would probably take a blowtorch to us.

17 posted on 11/22/2013 8:41:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Cicero1234

Ease sanctions, allow certain deals all in exchange for vague promises and self-serving language. Hmm, sounds like Oil-For-Food all over again, and we all know what that was leading to before Uncle Sam took action. Except this time it’s the US playing the appeaser and the French showing some spine.


18 posted on 11/22/2013 8:47:52 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Cicero1234

Israel has no choice


19 posted on 11/22/2013 9:04:38 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Cicero1234

I think Israel with Saudi help, will strike Iran before the end of December.


20 posted on 11/22/2013 9:34:02 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Alberta's Child

Only millions of people around the world, for many reasons. Do you proofread your nonsense before posting?


21 posted on 11/23/2013 12:12:06 AM PST by Ackackadack
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To: Alberta's Child
Who really cares?

I do...

22 posted on 11/23/2013 12:40:29 AM PST by Iscool
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To: dps.inspect

Amen


23 posted on 11/23/2013 1:31:21 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Iscool

Me, too.


24 posted on 11/23/2013 1:32:37 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Cicero1234

It is written If God be for us Who can stand against us.If Israel blesses God —then god will honor the covenant I will bless those that bless you and curse those who curse you.God has done the miraculous before with regard to Israel. I do not doubt He can do so again.


25 posted on 11/23/2013 4:15:14 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Cicero1234

Not for nothing but, we’ve been hearing for years how Israel will attack Iran over the nuclear issue. Yet, nothing happens as Iran continually advances its nuclear capabilities. Makes one think the Israelis aren’t as tough as they were thought to be.


26 posted on 11/23/2013 4:42:54 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: kenmcg
Keep this in mind as you look at the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions:

Israel doesn't really have any fear of an attack from Iran. Israel is more than capable of defending itself in a situation like that, and Iran knows this better than anyone else. After the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan showed how incompetent the U.S. is at waging a military campaign in the region (and how little control the U.S. has over the post-war outcome), Iran probably fears Israel more than Iran fears the U.S.

What's driving Israel here isn't a fear of an attack by Iran. It's an issue of addressing serious problems of an unsettled political and demographic situation at home. Israel's biggest fear is that if a major regional power like Iran rises in that region, many of its most successful residents will pack up and move somewhere else. This is a problem Israel has been dealing with for years, and it would only get worse if things become unsettled in the region.

27 posted on 11/23/2013 5:35:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
"Christian countries used to send missionaries to pagan nations like this."

They still do.

Though you will NEVER see it on MSM News.

28 posted on 11/23/2013 6:38:57 AM PST by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: kenmcg

Or, that they’re withholding their attack until there’s really no other alternative. Stuxnet, targeted assassination (and I’m sure other thjngs) have pushed Irans timetable back. It hasn’t stopped the timetable entirely.


29 posted on 11/23/2013 6:45:03 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: marron

And one that we would be very poorly prepared for thanks to a decade of foolishness by the unpaid mil-industrial zealots, war profiteers, and libtards in charge of the nation’s armed forces.


30 posted on 11/23/2013 7:04:28 AM PST by Me1onCollie
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To: Alberta's Child

The Nazis are dead and gone and the butt of jokes. Their enemies the Communists, however, lost the cold war but are set to make a comeback. Heck they’re practically running the nation.


31 posted on 11/23/2013 7:10:26 AM PST by Me1onCollie
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To: Alberta's Child
>>Who really cares?<<

We should all care!

Do you care about five dollar a gallon gasoline?

Would one be interested if there were sleeper cells within the U.S. with intent to create havoc/terrorism during a broad mid-east war?

Curious...would hundreds of billions to trillions in new debt due to new military engagements in the middle east raise an eyebrow?

How bout Obozo allowing thousand more war refugees into the U.S.? What about upcoming amnesty talk? Caught your attention yet?

If all that regional war talk still sounds boring...how bout WWIII?

32 posted on 11/23/2013 7:53:04 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Cicero1234

Is the date on this a typo....12-2-13?


33 posted on 11/23/2013 9:06:17 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cicero1234, additional:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3094601/posts


34 posted on 11/23/2013 10:15:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Alberta's Child

Great. Quayle’s Brain wants to start a new conflagration, kill a few million, and have $8/gal gasoline. Surprise! Surprise!

This little chickenhawk should be wearing tar and feathers. Who listens to him?


35 posted on 11/23/2013 10:37:48 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Cicero1234

..........I believe “they” WILL fight but irony of all ironies in history is that they will, just for the attack, not the aftermath, have many Arab allies, including Saudi Arabia...............

I hope Israel, with Saudi Arabia’s help, has stockpiled enough of everything they will need because I don’t think our Muslim in Chief is going to help when the shooting starts...........


36 posted on 11/23/2013 11:14:02 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Remember this if nothing else: Bush 43 sent the Iraelis 2,000 standard bunker busters. A little later he approved another 500 enhanced bunker busters. All are lazer guided, super accurate. Bibi still has all of them and that little bit of ordnance alone, properly placed, is enough to shut down anybody’s manufacturing capability. 2,500 well placed hits could shut down even the US for quite some time. Don’t think just nuke facs but think in terms of electric production——ain’t nobody making U235 without gobs of Reddy Kilowatts


37 posted on 11/23/2013 11:32:42 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Great points!

Very informing!

Thanks.


38 posted on 11/23/2013 11:48:23 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: cherokee1
yup, like i've said before, take out ALL their electrical production capabilities and make them live in the dark for the next five to ten years till they get their minds right...
39 posted on 11/23/2013 3:11:29 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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Less than $7.6k to go!

We're on the homestretch!!
Let's git 'er done!!!!

40 posted on 11/23/2013 3:21:41 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: MistrX

Yes, and without support,it won’t be easy for them. They will be fighting nearly all of the middle east alone.


41 posted on 11/23/2013 4:50:32 PM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Alberta's Child

The Germans may have lost World War II, but it sure looks to me like the Nazis won

..........
If you saw Germany today—you would not think that the Nazis won.

Nobody who fought those wars won anything of lasting value—ie beyond a generation or two.


42 posted on 11/23/2013 6:43:59 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: cherokee1

True that!...again the amateurs are over playing their hand patting themselves on the back with a “secret” deal. Why does it have to be secret? It is obvious our government has been totally infiltrated by anyone with tons of cash. Scary times!


43 posted on 11/23/2013 10:08:25 PM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: Cicero1234

“Will Israel fight?”

I sure HOPE so! There is no time to lose.


44 posted on 11/24/2013 9:24:44 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Alberta's Child

I hereby apologize to Israel, on behalf of all REAL Americans. Many Americans suspect President Muhummad Al-Obama is a Kenyan, but few know Valerie Jarret, who secretly negotiated this “deal”, is Iranian. PERSIAN. Check Wikipedia or Google it.


45 posted on 11/24/2013 9:27:20 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Cicero1234

No, they’ll roll over and surrender.

/do I even need a sarcasm tag for this?!

As others have pointed out Israel doesn’t even need to bust the nuke-making facilities, which even the bean-brained Arabs know to have fortified to ridiculous levels. Even someone who’s played Command and Conquer knows that “no juice, no nuke”...the silo itself may be fortified to “Mount Doom” levels, but make a dozen power plants go boom and the missile becomes nothing more than a giant lawn ornament.


46 posted on 11/24/2013 10:56:19 AM PST by EternalHope13
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To: Cicero1234; All

It is only a matter of time...


47 posted on 11/24/2013 1:18:45 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Alberta's Child

That is actually a good point, but your optamism is overshadowed by your pessimism...

“Who cares?”

Well, I know a lot of Jewish people that do, and a family who I care about a hell of a lot that lives in Haifa for now...Working on a deal to get one of my best friends, and his wife and two daughters out of there very soon...

I feel for those that are not as fortunate to have avenues to pursue like this...He has fought the good fight as a soldier and policeman, and that he could make a good living over here away from those battles they have to face every single day...

But hey, that’s just my opinion, and what I am working on to support a small part of this war on evil...


48 posted on 11/24/2013 1:26:06 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

American Jews voted overwhelmingly for Obama. If they don’t care - and they clearly don’t as a group else why would they support Obama - then why should a nice Irish boy like me? I ain’t got a dog in that fight if they don’t.


49 posted on 11/24/2013 8:39:46 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Alberta's Child

It’s mighty hard to argue with you about that.


50 posted on 11/24/2013 8:42:03 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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