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Unavoidable Answer for the Problem of Climate Change [New York Times endorses nuclear power]
New York Times ^ | November 19, 2013 | EDUARDO PORTER

Posted on 11/23/2013 5:06:49 PM PST by grundle

How will the world replace fossil fuels? Can it be done fast enough, cheaply enough and on a sufficient scale without nuclear energy? For all the optimism about the prospects of wind, sun and tides to power our future, the evidence suggests the answer is no.

Scrambling to find an alternative fuel to generate some 30 percent of its power, Japan had no choice but to turn to coal and gas. A few years ago, it promised that in 2020 it would produce 25 percent less greenhouse gas emissions than in 1990; last week it said it would, instead, produce 3 percent more.

Japan is unlikely to be the only country to miss its targets. In response to the Fukushima disaster, Germany shut down eight nuclear reactors and said it would close the remaining nine by 2022.

Everybody is promising to fill the gap with renewables. So far, however, coal and natural gas have won out. CO2 emissions in Germany actually increased 1 percent last year, even as they declined in the United States and most of Western Europe.

Between 2010 and 2012, worldwide consumption of nuclear energy shrank 7 percent. Over the same period, the consumption of coal, the dirtiest fuel and the worst global warming offender, rose 4.5 percent. Data released on Tuesday by the Global Carbon Project confirmed that coal accounted for over half the growth in fossil fuel emissions in 2012.

With energy consumption expected to grow by more than half over the next 30 years, the odds seem low that the world can avoid catastrophic warming without carbon-free nuclear power.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: climatechangehoax; doomage; globalwarminghoax; newyork; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; nuclearpower

1 posted on 11/23/2013 5:06:49 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Must be a promo piece for John Kerry’s Iran deal.


2 posted on 11/23/2013 5:09:57 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: grundle
Holy crap.

Are the Stanley Cup Finals being played in Hell next June?

3 posted on 11/23/2013 5:12:24 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: grundle

Climate change religous mumbo jumbo!


4 posted on 11/23/2013 5:12:27 PM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: grundle

“As long as they stick them in fly over country. We can’t have that crap lowering our property values over here.”


5 posted on 11/23/2013 5:14:52 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: grundle
I say we need to get the takers on a treadmill hooked up to the grid for 48 hr/wk.

so many kWh/day or no pay.

6 posted on 11/23/2013 5:16:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grundle

Guess the Slimes didn’t like the eagle windmill mixmaster seen recently on yahoo.

Nuke works for me.


7 posted on 11/23/2013 5:16:47 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: grundle

Those concerned about CO2 emissions should just stop producing their own planet killing emissions. We’d have a 50% drop which would save the Planet!


8 posted on 11/23/2013 5:18:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grundle
With energy consumption expected to grow by more than half over the next 30 years, the odds seem low that the world can avoid catastrophic warming

Can the NYT be sued for unadulterated stupidity?

9 posted on 11/23/2013 5:21:07 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: grundle
Better 40 years late than never, eh NYTs?

BTW, there is no man-caused warming. But the planet might warm or cool
on its own systemic merits and there isn't anything we can do about that.
Reliable energy sources are a good idea in any season.

10 posted on 11/23/2013 5:24:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: grundle
Call me crazy, but I think I see exactly what is going on here, and it is a deeper game than many might suspect:

1) Hey nuclear power is pretty awesome!
2) You know, if a third world country wanted nuclear power, that might be perfectly fine.
3) Wow, Iran is building nuclear facilities.
4) But don't worry, they just want to generate electricity, and nuclear power is pretty awesome!
5) The US would be wrong to try to stop Iran from developing full nuclear capability.
6) It would be crazy to listen to Israel and try to block Iran.
7) Israel is always causing trouble like that. Maybe some day someone will teach those Joooooos a lesson!

The heart of what the NYT is all about is always anti-zionism.

11 posted on 11/23/2013 5:24:47 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Are the Stanley Cup Finals being played in Hell next June?

LOL, hopefully in Chicago again.

12 posted on 11/23/2013 5:24:49 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: grundle

I was wondering if this was a one-time guest editorial. But evidently this guy has been writing economics columns for the NY Times since 2004.

Yes, nuclear is the only answer. And we are ten or twenty years behind the eight ball because we have neglected this field for so long. You don’t just sit down and build a nuclear plant in a short while. You need the manufacturing capability and quite a while to build it once everything is in place. And we’ve pretty much dropped out of it since Three Mile Island, Jane Fonda, and Jimmuh Cartah. Not to mention the NY Times.

I’m not sure if we want the Chinese building our nuke plants.


13 posted on 11/23/2013 5:24:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grundle
Leftist theocracy: AGW is evil! Get rid of fossil fuel!

Genie: Nuclear power!

Leftist Theocracy: NO! Nuclear is evil!

Genie: We're back to the Middle Ages!

Leftist Theocracy: NO! Humanity is evil! Get rid of it!

Genie: Um, OK...


14 posted on 11/23/2013 5:26:11 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Cicero

France is the world leader in Nukes I think.

Radioactive cheese eating surrender monkeys.


15 posted on 11/23/2013 5:28:08 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: grundle
[New York Times endorses nuclear power]

Has the Times started "endorsing" every column it prints?

16 posted on 11/23/2013 5:35:24 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Paladin2
I say we need to get the takers on a treadmill hooked up to the grid for 48 hr/wk.

Make it mandatory for able-bodied welfare recipients.

17 posted on 11/23/2013 5:36:29 PM PST by NJRighty ("It's sick out there and getting sicker" - Bob Grant)
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To: grundle

Thanks for the post.

Fighting Industrial Wind Turbines here in my county.

Have them slowed down, but too many locals in charge that are getting big buck$ from the GERMAN companies wanting to build here.

E-on is losing it’s butt over there because of the ban on nuke power, so they are harvesting US taxpayer dollars here to smooth out their bottom line


18 posted on 11/23/2013 5:36:32 PM PST by digger48
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To: NJRighty

Maybe a direct work output per $ of Food Stamps. Energy is energy.


19 posted on 11/23/2013 5:39:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Cicero
I'd suggest that there is much known about nuk power.

A concerted effort should only take a couple of years.

We got to the moon in less time. Clone the power plants of the aircraft carriers and subs.

20 posted on 11/23/2013 5:41:31 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: grundle

Can we prevent nuclear plants from ever being unionized or hiring unknown illegals?


21 posted on 11/23/2013 5:43:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

Golly gee NYTimes... you are behind the times. This information was true in the 70’s when YOU were supporting the anti-nuke hippies and lefties who were (as they are now the anti-coal, fracking, oil greenie/reds) all for anything that slowed or stopped the US industrial engines and full employment. The 70’s— remember them. And, of all things... the French get most of their electrical energy from— nuclear power, and as such can dabble in world oil through ELF Acquitaine oil consortium over a gas pipeline through Afghanistan and Syria to break the Russian monopoly on EU natural gas. While the US continues to suck on the Saudi and Canadian teat for imported oil. Brilliant NY slimes.


22 posted on 11/23/2013 5:43:59 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: grundle

And.... what IF fossil fuels... aren’t from fossils. There is much to explain how oil may be found 5 miles below the surface and under 5 miles of ocean.


23 posted on 11/23/2013 5:45:18 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Vaquero

Don’t forget about all the dead bats.


24 posted on 11/23/2013 5:45:36 PM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: grundle

Who is EDUARDO PORTER “

Eduardo was hired by the NYT after he finished at the top of his 2nd grade class after 30 years of effort. The Times hired 49-year-old Eduardo as a representation of what the Times is - clods, commies and clowns. It’s in our interest to hire the most stupid people on Earth to accurately reflect our readership who are clods, commies and clowns. Where it would take a thousand monkeys typing for a thousand years to create one story, Eduardo can type nothing in a million years. He reflects perfectly the innate stupidity of everyone who scribbles meaningless garbage at the Times.

BTW, you can’t comment on this story because you might upset and sink the drooling morons and clods sailing on the sinking Times ship. FU.


25 posted on 11/23/2013 5:47:27 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: John S Mosby

Chop the power feed to the NYT building. Immediately.


26 posted on 11/23/2013 5:47:57 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: ClearCase_guy

True, if anti-zionism in this case neglects the exportation of terror that a nuclear armed Iran would bring to Israel. The slimes certainly has a pro muzzie world view, whether sunni or shiite. The French have mostly nukes, have helped Iranians (and Syrians for that matter), and are noted as well as anti-jewish.

It’s the new pseudo conservative liberalism— Francophonism. Hey, Jimmy Buffett say’s he’s a Francophone, so it MUST be hip and OK (and you can still hate Jews— when will they learn in the entertainment world).


27 posted on 11/23/2013 5:50:23 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sergeantdave
Lol!

I love your post. Bravo!

28 posted on 11/23/2013 5:50:41 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: grundle
Unavoidable Answer for the Problem of Climate Change [New York Times endorses nuclear power]

NYT are obviously not the sharpest tools in the drawer.
Many of us reasoned that out way before "global warming/climate change) was invented.
Even without climate change it makes total sense because the way power generation has been done forever, using plants spaced many hundreds of miles from where the power is needed, half the transmitted power is dissipated (wasted in transmission!)

If military nuclear subs circle the globe constantly without any power generating related disasters, more logically located smaller power plants for civilian use make total sense.
Of course that would mean that the social parasites pushing solar, cow manure, wind and algae for powering our society (in and out of government) would need to be relegated to the nut case subculture where they belong.

For ten years, I belonged to an "Energy Task Force " in a California city in the 70s.
Solar and wind made no sense then.
And it makes no sense today, 40 years later.

29 posted on 11/23/2013 5:51:32 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Reid has steadfastly opposed construction in Nevada of permanent storage facilities for spent fuel rods and other longterm nuclear waste.

Once sanctions are lifted from Iran, there will be a (temporary) dip in crude prices, which will undermine the fracking boom — and that’s one of the chief motivations behind what passes for Zero’s Middle East policies.

Thanks grundle. And meanwhile:

Of course: Keystone XL opponents now turning to blocking rail transport in earnest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3094804/posts


30 posted on 11/23/2013 5:52:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: ToastedHead

“As long as they stick them in fly over country. We can’t have that crap lowering our property values over here.”
Lord I hope they put them all in “fly over country”. Those are good jobs!


31 posted on 11/23/2013 5:52:48 PM PST by MCF
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To: John S Mosby

oil is oozing up from the bowels of the earth and is abiotic, always there somewhere. Your examples are more proof of same.


32 posted on 11/23/2013 5:53:20 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

We should build nuclear, natural gas and coal plants because it’s good for America. All home grown. CO2 is a scam.


33 posted on 11/23/2013 6:04:03 PM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: grundle
energy consumption expected to grow by more than half over the next 30 years

Not if we stop importing free stuff voters from third world countries. The pollution footprint of the typical NYC import is 10 times that if they were left in situ, not to mention all the flights back and forth until they've brought over their entire extended clan. Then big gov hires a trove more affirmative action carbon big foots that consume more energy for a negative net return.

If America had controlled immigration like sane countries do we would be 80% conservative Republican today.

34 posted on 11/23/2013 6:04:17 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Sioux-san

Considerable amount of research, done by..ta da! oil companies... posit that petroleum results from deep internal pressure and reactions from within the outer core of the Earth. As such is NOT produced from dead dinosaurs or proto- flora.


35 posted on 11/23/2013 6:07:04 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Paladin2
I say we need to get the takers on a treadmill hooked up to the grid for 48 hr/wk.
So many kWh/day or no pay.

If by "takers," you mean able-bodied welfare entitlement parasites, you got my vote!

36 posted on 11/23/2013 6:07:29 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: Sioux-san

LIBs have incredible self-loathing which results in blown circuitry in their logic circuits. Just about anything that is written in the Slimes is witness to this.


37 posted on 11/23/2013 6:07:43 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: grundle

When you have Fukushima and Hanford fully cleaned up, you can proceed with nuclear power. In the interim, we have plenty of coal with clean burning plants. The hazards associated with coal are tiny compared to nuclear. The nuclear industry is going to be sued into oblivion for the mess Fukushima continues to dump into the air and ocean.


38 posted on 11/23/2013 6:09:12 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Third Person

Ah. The national ‘bird’ of the left winged moonbat!


39 posted on 11/23/2013 6:13:04 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: publius911
It pi$$es me off no end that the Makers spend ~40% of their "productive" hours working for the "public good" while the Takers spend ZER0 % of their time doing ANYTHING for anybody else.

It's gotta change.

40 posted on 11/23/2013 6:15:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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Well what has happened is that Leading Climate alarmist and Gore heroes like James Hansen have declared that Wind and Solar can’t replace fossil fuels so they have endorsed Nukes, so the sheep at the times follow along.

Hansen like a broken clock is right twice a day and wrong the rest of the time:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/03/world/nuclear-energy-climate-change-scientists-letter/index.html


41 posted on 11/23/2013 6:33:28 PM PST by Leto
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To: PilotDave

I agree - also want a moratorium on these awful wind turbines that are messing up the countryside and killing off birds & bats at an alarming rate - the power isn’t even being used in my state, but is being sent to neighboring Ohio. Ridiculous. Huge footprint for very little power. What a rip. For Michigan, it’s natural gas that should be increased.


42 posted on 11/23/2013 6:33:30 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: John S Mosby

Your point? You doubt this research? Russia didn’t and they are doing very well now that they aren’t looking for dead dinosaur remains.


43 posted on 11/23/2013 6:34:49 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: grundle

The energy concentration within slimy organic waste fecal matter is tremendous and could power the entire US for years to come.

We should now design and build these modern power plants, and redirect all the output of the NY Slimes to it.


44 posted on 11/23/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: grundle

And I predict that apart from divine intervention. It is nuclear power that is going to end human life on earth. For those who have not learned from Japan.. A Darwin award is in order.


45 posted on 11/23/2013 7:19:00 PM PST by Revel
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To: grundle
Many of us here have been screaming this for many years. NYT finally has figured this out. _IF_ the greenies are REALLY that concerned with global warming, the Nuclear is the ONLY practical solution (to carbon emissions).

Now, I happen to favor Nuclear for non-green reasons, but hey, if they want to jump on the bandwagon, for whatever reasons, I'll gladly make room.

46 posted on 11/23/2013 7:25:05 PM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think we have a winner.


47 posted on 11/23/2013 10:13:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Chickensoup
France is the world leader in Nukes I think.

No it isn't. The United States is. We have twice as many nuke plants operating as France. There are currently four new nuclear plants under construction in the United States.

48 posted on 11/24/2013 8:02:54 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
No it isn't. The United States is. We have twice as many nuke plants operating as France. There are currently four new nuclear plants under construction in the United States.

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But I think that France has built many more world wide than we have and have updated their technology while we were laying off physicists in the 80’s.

49 posted on 11/24/2013 3:06:35 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Chickensoup
But I think that France has built many more world wide than we have and have updated their technology while we were laying off physicists in the 80’s.

Again, not true. Approximately half of all the Nuclear Plants in the world are Westinghouse designs. Add in General Electric designs, and nearly 70% of nuclear plants around whe world are US designed plants.

The most modern design that has been approved world-wide is the Westinghouse AP 1000. Westinghouse is currently building four of them in the US and another four in China with 6 more under option there.

50 posted on 11/24/2013 5:41:33 PM PST by Ditto
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