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DUI Checkpoints: Yay or Nay?
Townhall.com ^ | November 25, 2013 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 11/25/2013 6:58:33 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

I’ve been a Nay ever since my then-home state of Michigan first pulled this stunt in the 1980’s.

My grandfather knew a woman judge who had summarily tossed Pennsylvania’s attempt to do this on Constitutional grounds back in the 1950’s. We apparently became very mush-headed over the next thirty-five years or so.


61 posted on 11/25/2013 7:51:51 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

I’m against them and the reason is simple: It’s how it makes me feel about my country and the relationship between myself and my government. I feel like a child and they are my parents.

However, as an American with strong knowledge of our nation’s history, I refuse to acknowledge such a paradigm.

Which causes the relationship to be adversarial.


62 posted on 11/25/2013 7:52:06 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: rarestia
do not TALK to the police, ever. They are there to close cases, and if you fit their bill, they’ll make charges stick.

the same advice the former prosecutor, now defense atty firearms instructor, said in my ccw legal class.

63 posted on 11/25/2013 7:52:55 AM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Irenic

“Gads! It was a miracle that I wasn’t creamed! I can still to this day image that girls face looking down— lit with a blue glow— texting on her phone.”

The whore should be charged with attempted murder.


64 posted on 11/25/2013 7:58:31 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: antidisestablishment

Well, yeah, I have tons of problems with that end of the situation as well (like picking a number that defines intoxication rather than requiring proof of impairment). My point, though, was that prohibiting drunk driving per se, as well as Constitutionally allowed tactics for preventing it, don’t violate my “right, as unrestricted as practical” view of driving.


65 posted on 11/25/2013 7:58:35 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“But then, are they trying to raise revenue, by ticketing people for other things besides DUI? Just wondering.”

I don’t think you have to wonder, just look at the number of DUI/drug/booze related infractions these things catch as opposed to insurance/vehicle safety/registration/license infractions. I know the local ones they have around here hardly ever catch DUI type impaired drivers but really pile all the other types of finable infractions.

Freegards


66 posted on 11/25/2013 7:59:45 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Vigilanteman

“My mother was T-Boned and crippled by a nimrod driving one-handed with a cell phone.”

The driver should be fed to hogs while still alive.


67 posted on 11/25/2013 8:00:10 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: rarestia

Those are all good questions, but wouldn’t it also be a good idea to have video and audio recording of all that is going on in and near your car at the same time and that recording being streamed to a remote location immediately?


68 posted on 11/25/2013 8:00:57 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Kaslin

It is not that hard to drive a car. If you are hyper focused on your driving at all times, you will get mental fatigue every 15 minutes or so.

Riding a motocycle is different. It is highly engaging as well, making it easier to stay focused.

My main point is that human beings are not machines and we make mistakes on a fairly regular basis. We also can not be set to a task like a machine and be expected to focus, machine-like on the task for extended periods (unlike the engine in a car that, if you continue to supply fuel, can run non-stop between oil changes.

Freedom involves taking some risk. The loss of freedom caused by sobriety checkpoints is a massive cost compared to the number of accidents prevented by their use. Notice I didn’t say the number of drunk drivers aprehended. It is because driving above the legal limit, especially just barely above, rarely results in an alcohol related accident.


69 posted on 11/25/2013 8:03:04 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Irenic
Cars don't need horns, they need slap mechanisms...hahaha

"Horn broken, watch for finger."

70 posted on 11/25/2013 8:04:53 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Kaslin
I agree that drunk drivers should be taken off the road when a cop witnesses their actions. DUI checkpoints are a major source of income for small towns and counties. They have become a cash cow and a gift that keeps on giving. Alone with the jail time and fines and court costs there are also counseling sessions you must pay for and attend also if you end up in a diversion program you pay a monthly fee to the court and another to your P.O. and if the judge says you must be monitored with an electronic devise you get to pay for that to. You may be surprised to find that in some cases the judge may be part owner of the monitoring firm. Also you will lose your license to operate a car and must pay the state a fee to be reinstated and a fee to take the test. Your insurance goes thru the roof and if you lose you license for any length of time you may lose your job if you cannot find another source of transport.

Many years ago, when I was young, the county would set up roadblocks in both directions away from the beer joints as it approached midnight. They did a great business. I also noticed that certain bar/dancehalls never received this treatment, when I grew older I found that if you paid certain people you weren't bothered. I lived in a dry county when I was a kid and while helping a friend repair a car the county sheriff pulled up and parked next to us. Couple minutes later a local bootlegger pulled next to him and we witnessed the transfer of the booze,seized from another bootlegger the night before, from the cop's trunk to the bootleggers car and the transfer of cash to the cop. Same sheriff was later called out into the boonies ambushed and he and his car were set afire. No one was ever arrested or charged and this was over 40 years ago.

Another scam the cops in this area engage in is illegal-Mexican stops. They are easily identified as they drive ratty old cars and trucks and can barely see over the steering wheel and once they have been stopped whenever the cop needs to meet his quota they get pulled over. Why would they pull over these poor people? You would think they would have no money. Well you'd be wrong. They rent one apartment using a nice English speaking couple, and then 12 or 15 move in. They pool their money and live cheaply. Every week you will see in the local paper Hispanic names followed by charges of no drivers license and no insurance and the fine amount of usually 1200 bucks plus court costs. A few thousand here a few thousand there and soon it becomes real money.

These fines and other costs are used to pay make work jobs for relatives of local pols. Those that have some pull as we call it are never bothered with these pesky fines I know as a friend of mine was a local judge and saved my bacon on several occasions.

These scams started as well intentioned efforts to stop the needless slaughter of innocents but with the passage of time they become a criminal racket. These laws as well as drug laws go after people with a lot of money and so graft soon follows. These laws also attract the very kind of judges and cops we don't need. Corrupt men and women who will look the other way, and not just for the laws I have menitioned but more seroius ones, if the money is right. These things destroy the respect that people once had for the law and in my opinion do more harm than good.

Before you tell me that if it saves one life it is worth it etc., I will tell you that it results in many other lives lost and ruined in the criminal activity that comes with it.

71 posted on 11/25/2013 8:05:15 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Kaslin

And another thing: If it takes a sobriety checkpoint to catch you driving over the limit, maybe you are not too drunk to drive. Just a thought.


72 posted on 11/25/2013 8:05:41 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: servantboy777

Why not just have the checks outside of bars?


73 posted on 11/25/2013 8:06:09 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Revelation 911

just an fyi - you are under no obligation to answer anything - including your name


I wonder if you are even requiered to show your license. After all, if you are not being pulled over for an infraction, what can they actually FORCE you to do?


74 posted on 11/25/2013 8:09:06 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: who knows what evil?
Here is a novel idea...how bout we enforce our immigration laws.

Sounds off topic, but it's very pertinent in border states like Texas, New Mexico....

Thousands of accidents caused by illegal aliens every year that are unlicensed and uninsured.

So, question...if we are no longer deporting illegals and they get stopped by DUI checkpoints, are we upholding the rule of law by not arresting, detaining and deporting?

Juss nother thought

75 posted on 11/25/2013 8:15:10 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Truth29

It would, but given law enforcement’s propensity to “flip out” when they learn they’re being recorded, I’d personally think twice about it.

I stay off the roads during the hours they generally perform DUI checkpoints. If I ran into one of these during the day, I would be unnerved to the point that I’d likely do exactly as you prescribe.


76 posted on 11/25/2013 8:15:19 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kaslin

Why not do a license and registration checkpoint looking for persons with outstanding warrants? Especially on election day?

One fishing expedition is as good as another. Except arresting people for outstanding warrants costs the city/county money whereas DWI taskforces rake in money for the courts, lawyers, insurance, and state. Yet still cops and judges and prosecutors drink and drive (not always prosecuted for it).

There are some who want to lower the BAC to 0.03. It’s about easier convictions, not fewer accidents. Blowing below 0.08 (the national standard forced by the federal government by the threat of withholding highway funds) will not “free” you. You may still be charged. Blowing above the number gives them evidence of being above 0.08 (provided the equipment is working properly and any blood test results have not been fraudulently manipulated as has been discovered around the country).

The founder of MADD left the group in the 1980s to lobby on behalf of breweries and bars. She never sought to bring back prohibition. She wanted accountability and prosecution for serious offense.


77 posted on 11/25/2013 8:18:01 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: servantboy777

Congressman Steve King stated in his ‘Biting the Hand that Feeds You’ column that twenty-five Americans are KILLED every day by illegals...twelve by murder; thirteen via auto accidents.


78 posted on 11/25/2013 8:18:16 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Kaslin
Every year, several states that prohibit DUI checkpoints consider passing legislation to permit them. These laws are usually championed by Democrats.

In Texas the top donors to either party are lawyers. They just happen to give predominantly to the Democrat party (and make up something like 8 of the top 10 donors).

And if you get in trouble, the judge and prosecutor are going to want to speak to a lawyer, not you.

I wouldn't be surprised to see divorce lawyers pushing for same sex marriage either.

79 posted on 11/25/2013 8:20:06 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
The answer is simple - just don't drive if you've been drinking.

If you know you need to drive, then don't drink.

80 posted on 11/25/2013 8:21:26 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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