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Why Soviets Were No Fans Of Lee Harvey Oswald.
CSM ^ | November 23, 2013 | Fred Weir, Mike Eckel

Posted on 11/26/2013 7:40:01 AM PST by cunning_fish

MOSCOW AND BOSTON — Lee Harvey Oswald’s Russian was still shaky in 1961, when he was working as a factory metalworker in the provincial Soviet city of Minsk. It fell to a young student engineer named Stanislav Shushkevich to help him out.

"He was a simple martinet, and I found nothing in common with him. His Russian at that point was passable. We had about a dozen lessons in all, after that we had no contacts,” Mr.Shushkevich told the Monitor in an interview. “My main concern later on was that he would be given the task of fabricating equipment I had designed, because he was such a terrible metalworker.

"When I learned later on about Kennedy's murder, and that Oswald was involved, I was thunderstruck. I even wondered ‘How could I have lost interest in this person? Maybe I don't understand people at all?’ " said Shushkevich, who later became the first president of independent Belarus.

As the US revisits that breathtaking moment on Nov. 22, 1963, attention is again turning to Oswald’s time in the Soviet Union – a 30-month period that ended a year before President John F. Kennedy’s assassination, a journey that left him with a Russian wife but disillusioned about socialism.

Although any evidence of panic in the Kremlin remains buried in classified Politburo archives, historians say there seems little doubt that Soviet leaders must have scrambled for explanations after Oswald was named as Kennedy's killer. “The Kennedy assassination struck like a bolt from the blue, it shook up both sides,” says Valery Garbuzov, deputy director of the official Institute of USA-Canada Studies in Moscow. “We felt more than regret. We began a long process of dialogue, meetings, and negotiations. Things were not the same after th..

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: communist; jfk; kennedy; leeharveyoswald; lho; lholn; oswald; soviets
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1 posted on 11/26/2013 7:40:01 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

He was a loser who was a decent shot with a rifle...and that was all it took to change history.


2 posted on 11/26/2013 7:53:02 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: cunning_fish

The story that I got is that Oswald was a vagrant drunk who the cops in Minsk rolled up on a regular basis. I am pretty sure no one liked him in Minsk!


3 posted on 11/26/2013 7:53:54 AM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: cunning_fish

If the Russians were involved, would they admit it? LBJ was quoted as saying that they had gotten a free hit, and in the interests of avoiding nuclear war, he’d overlook that transgression.


4 posted on 11/26/2013 7:55:22 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: cunning_fish

http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Killed-Kennedy/dp/1626363137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385481301&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+stone


5 posted on 11/26/2013 7:55:51 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Kip Russell
He was a loser who was a decent shot with a rifle

Is an 88-yard shot with a rifle such a big deal?

6 posted on 11/26/2013 7:56:54 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Kip Russell
"He was a loser who was a decent shot with a rifle"

I've never been to Dealy plaza, however a show I saw on this had said that the shot from the book depository was actually not that far. Only about 60 - 70 yards. From a moving target, but the target was moving away from him, not side to side. Those facts being the case, that is not a difficult shot at all. Any average Marine marksman (which he was at one time) could have made that shot as I'm sure anyone who has ever hunted before.
7 posted on 11/26/2013 7:57:13 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Zhang Fei

A thought: as between LBJ and Oswald, which one exhibited more pathological behavior that would make him likely to kill JFK?

Seems to me, personally, to be a stretch to pin it on Oswald.

It seems to me not at all to be a stretch to pit in on LBJ. In fact...knowing what we do about LBJ (Caro’s biographies though deficient are excellent in this respect...), it is almost inconceivable that he DIDN’T kill Kennedy.

Once you make the logical jump that LBJ set the whole thing in motion and that he orchestrated the cover up, all of a sudden, the evidence/hearsay/disinformation all starts to make a lot more sense.

That’s my experience anyway.


8 posted on 11/26/2013 7:59:23 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: cunning_fish
Interesting article. Due to Oswald's time in Russia, it is easy to come up with conspiracy theories regarding U.S.S.R. involvement in the JFK assassination. However, there appears to be nothing there and indeed the Kremlin was probably more embarrassed than anything when the Russian ties were revealed post-assassination.

Oswald comes off as your typical clueless liberal/commie. If you sent any of todays idealistic left-wingers to experience their socialist utopia firsthand, they would very quickly tire of it. This is why that silly "Occupy" movement so quickly lost steam from a few years back. Once these pampered youngsters learned what it was like to live in tents and have to share everything, they very quickly opted to go back to occupying the warm basements of their bourgeois parents.

Maybe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK but it didn't come from the Russians. Most likely it happened from within as Kennedy had many domestic enemies.

As for the Oswald killing, I don't see any conspiracy there at all. That was all Jack Ruby's personal initiative in my opinion. Ruby was always somewhat insecure and fantasized about being a famous hero. As he was familiar with most of the Dallas law enforcement (by way of his nightclub business) and on first name basis with the detective that was escorting Oswald to the armored car, it is not terribly surprising that Ruby was able to gain easy access to where Oswald was being transported. Of course, the Dallas PD was embarrassed over the incident and tried to make it seem like Ruby sneaked his way down there but it's easy to imagine that Ruby got a lot of "How ya doing Jacks!" as he made his way down to the basement that day.

9 posted on 11/26/2013 8:00:25 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Kip Russell
A loser is right. Too many things had to happen for the assassination to succeed and they all did.

He had the means (the rifle).

Information, the route of the motorcade was published days ahead of time showing it passing by his workplace.

Opportunity, had the 6th floor to himself and set up his sniper nest with time to spare.

Circumstance, Kennedy vetoed having the bullet proof bubble put up and was unable to move out of the way of the 3rd shot because of his back brace.

10 posted on 11/26/2013 8:00:52 AM PST by AU72
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To: Zhang Fei
Is an 88-yard shot with a rifle such a big deal?

Of course not; give me a WW2 surplus bolt-action with a cheap scope on it, and I could duplicate that shot all day, as could millions of other Americans.

Try telling that to the conspiracy theorists, though...

11 posted on 11/26/2013 8:02:51 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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12 posted on 11/26/2013 8:02:59 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: AU72

Great post. Especially impressed with your comment about the back brace. You’ve clearly done your research as not many people know about how that really contributed to the murder. Bravo.


13 posted on 11/26/2013 8:07:41 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I had a chance to look through Oswald’s book depository building window at his line of fire before they cordoned it off. It did NOT seem to be a difficult shot.


14 posted on 11/26/2013 8:08:58 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cunning_fish

Deep

Cover


15 posted on 11/26/2013 8:09:03 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ConservativeDude
It seems to me not at all to be a stretch to pit in on LBJ.

LBJ was a real character, but he was not a killer. His lack of killer instinct was what led to the indecisive back and forth in Vietnam. He crippled our air units and cost us thousands of aircraft losses by requiring visual ID to shoot down Vietnamese aircraft. Rolling Thunder was stupid, and the diametric opposite of the sustained obliteration of North Vietnamese facilities that would have caused them to sue for peace. LBJ was a talker, not a killer.

16 posted on 11/26/2013 8:10:50 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I toured Dealey Plaza in summer 2012, and spent about an hour sitting at Oswald’s (now glass enclosed) sniper perch. Yeah, he started shooting when Kennedy was just past him, and it was incredibly close. I believe that the final “kill shot” was made at just 88 yards, with the rifle zeroed in at 100 yards.


17 posted on 11/26/2013 8:11:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cunning_fish

No one ever trusts a traitor.


18 posted on 11/26/2013 8:12:21 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: cunning_fish

Leftists cannot accept the fact that a Commie acted alone.


19 posted on 11/26/2013 8:14:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Is an 88-yard shot with a rifle such a big deal?

No. Especially not at a man sized target in a slow moving motorcade. Now, if it had been a running ground squirrel and the rifle had open sights, I'd be impressed.

20 posted on 11/26/2013 8:16:12 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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