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U.S. Directly Challenges China's Air Defense Zone (Pair of American B-52 Bombers Fly Over)
wsj ^ | 11/26/13 | Julian Barnes

Posted on 11/26/2013 9:11:41 AM PST by Nachum

Edited on 11/26/2013 9:30:48 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON—A pair of American B-52 bombers flew over a disputed island chain in the East China Sea without informing Beijing, U.S. officials said Tuesday, in a direct challenge to China and its establishment of an expanded air-defense zone.

The planes flew out of Guam and entered the new Chinese Air Defense Identification Zone at about 7 p.m. Washington time Monday, according to a U.S. official.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adiz; b52; bhoasia; challange; china; chinesemilitary; defense; redchina; zone
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U.S. Directly Challenges China's Air Defense Zone Pair of American B-52 Bombers Fly Over Disputed Island Chain
1 posted on 11/26/2013 9:11:41 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 11/26/2013 9:12:07 AM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Certainly the RCS was big enough that they noticed.


3 posted on 11/26/2013 9:12:18 AM PST by donmeaker
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To: Nachum

Not gonna subscribe to the WSJ, but from what I can read maybe we’ll have to give a cookie to the Obama Administration on this one.


4 posted on 11/26/2013 9:13:22 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Nachum

Oslama wanted them shot down...the Chinese refused to comply.


6 posted on 11/26/2013 9:16:07 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Nachum

Good, But we should go ahead and raise the import tariffs and get a lot less dependent on China.

The more aggressive china acts, the more important that we disentangle ourselves from them.


7 posted on 11/26/2013 9:16:41 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: deadrock

Just because you call it an air defense zone doesn’t mean you are prepared to defend it. The US would know if China had radar and defense assets up. They probably didn’t, hence the fly over.

Safe play and good PR from Barack Hussein Chamberlain.


8 posted on 11/26/2013 9:19:45 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He has to buck up his image for the masses.


9 posted on 11/26/2013 9:21:45 AM PST by refermech
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To: Nachum

Oh wait. Another excuse argument for Obama to go and surrender in the end.

He really taught Boehner well too.


10 posted on 11/26/2013 9:23:28 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: deadrock

Bingo. Another America mea culpa opportunity missed for the Chinese. Obama is begging for a pimp. His own head in his a$sl$ is toonhard by himself.


11 posted on 11/26/2013 9:25:23 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: DannyTN

“But we should go ahead and raise the import tariffs”

You are in favor of raising taxes? No thanks.

No one if forcing anybody to buy Chinese products.


12 posted on 11/26/2013 9:26:19 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Nachum

This situation is more dangerous than anything in the Mid-East.

WHY? Because the community-organizer in Chief has zero experience dealing with China and Japan. China is simply off his naive, inexperienced American-leftist radar. There are no applicable progressive slogans or soundbites to use, nor is there a Chicago Politics play-book for him to refer to.

We got a taste of it with his interactions with Putin over Syria.


13 posted on 11/26/2013 9:27:43 AM PST by PGR88
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To: skeeter

Sounds like it, should have been at least one Japanese aircraft in the flight though


14 posted on 11/26/2013 9:29:24 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

It was Air Defense Identification Zone and did these aircraft ID themselves or not? I’m guessing not.


15 posted on 11/26/2013 9:30:23 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

And don’t forget the US “humanitarian relief” effort in the Philippines which includes 1 aircraft carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 2 supply ships........


16 posted on 11/26/2013 9:33:36 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: PGR88

“This situation is more dangerous than anything in the Mid-East.”

Dangerous for China. They are playing with fire messing with the Japanese.

If they keep this up, Japan will go back to Nanking to rape it again.


17 posted on 11/26/2013 9:34:24 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: skeeter

yea right, anything to take away his awful dropping numbers, go to have something for the news to report on and make him look strong


18 posted on 11/26/2013 9:34:43 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Nachum

Since we have a treaty with Japan...this is a token reponse...

Which is better than the normal reponse....which would be to throw Japanunder the big Obama bus...


19 posted on 11/26/2013 9:35:52 AM PST by Popman
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To: Nachum

Yeah sure those BUFF’s went there al by their lonesome. No flight of 4 F-22’s and an awacs providing top cover. OK.


20 posted on 11/26/2013 9:38:54 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Nachum

It appears that Hagel’s statement that the US-Japan mutual defense treaty covers the Senkakus has some teeth to it.


21 posted on 11/26/2013 9:39:52 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Nachum

One Chart Shows The Magnitude Of US Naval Dominance

22 posted on 11/26/2013 9:40:10 AM PST by blam
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To: skeeter

“Not gonna subscribe to the WSJ, but from what I can read maybe we’ll have to give a cookie to the Obama Administration on this one...”

Gotta sort of agree. This was a quick, public response to the ChiComs indicating “yeah, not so much there buddy.” Kind of a surprise from the Clown College Administration.


23 posted on 11/26/2013 9:41:39 AM PST by FAA
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To: deadrock

“Oslama wanted them shot down...the Chinese refused to comply.”

That’s what I was thinking too. He want’s Israel to attack
Iran and China to attack the US or Japan. The jug-eared
punk wants a war.


24 posted on 11/26/2013 9:43:04 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Nachum

I don’t trust this regime in anything. This could be just another diversion. This rank amateur squatting in the WH will get us into a shooting war before he’s done.


25 posted on 11/26/2013 9:43:59 AM PST by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Dangerous for China. They are playing with fire messing with the Japanese.

Not a chance in hell. China is a very different country compared to 1937.

26 posted on 11/26/2013 9:49:19 AM PST by PGR88
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
This could be just another diversion.

The Iran roll-over agreement and now this: Zero is attempting both to divert from Obamacare and establish himself as President - in both the diplomacy and defense angles. It's all about him.

27 posted on 11/26/2013 9:51:34 AM PST by alancarp
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To: blam

The French artillery commander at Dien Bien Phu promised the French commander of the ground forces there that the communists could never, never put artillery on the hills surrounding them. The French artillery commander killed himself the night the first communist shell was fired from the surrounding hills. Aircraft carriers are tremendous weapons, but it would be wise to not put all of our eggs into one basket.


28 posted on 11/26/2013 9:53:43 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

Bingo! We have a winner!


29 posted on 11/26/2013 9:54:24 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
This rank amateur squatting in the WH will get us into a shooting war before he’s done.

This is what he wants. What better justification for a 3rd (or longer) term in the white hut than international and civil unrest (martial law)...?

Israel is on its own, and so are we (until Jesus returns)...

30 posted on 11/26/2013 9:55:34 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: PGR88

Not to mention Japan’s population base has finally hit the wall of an island nation with no expansion room. Wether China’s one-child policy will bite them harder and sooner is something I can’t honestly say.


31 posted on 11/26/2013 9:57:53 AM PST by EternalHope13
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To: GeronL
Spot on, the Japanese have to challenge, often and in force, on the sea and in the air.
32 posted on 11/26/2013 9:59:18 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Nachum

A good thing. But how did they get this past Obama?
He will have to bow 4 extra times now to some Chinese official.


33 posted on 11/26/2013 10:00:27 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Nachum
With a "Healthcare.gov!" banner attached?
34 posted on 11/26/2013 10:00:35 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Zhang Fei

Or calls were made to permit this charade of japan support. Obama will be more “flexible” with china when it matters. More deflection.


35 posted on 11/26/2013 10:01:23 AM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: blam

A comforting chart to see actually! Makes one “slightly” less upset at paying taxes!

Peace through strength.


36 posted on 11/26/2013 10:02:11 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Oh great, another enabler of Chinese treachery heard from.

Nobody is forcing...

That’s a real hoot idiot. Go out and try to find certain things not made in China.

You and you fellow FreeTraitors financed China’s rise. Now you can very well take the trashing you so richly deserve.


37 posted on 11/26/2013 10:04:56 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
"You are in favor of raising taxes? No thanks."

Our founding fathers viewed tariffs as taxes on foreigners wanting to do business in our market. And they viewed it as maximizing freedom because the tariffs allowed them to avoid direct taxation of citizens.

So we could lower individual and corporate income taxes by the amount of money that the tariffs raised.

"No one if forcing anybody to buy Chinese products."

Exactly, therefore no one will be forced to pay the tariffs. The tariff, if not absorbed by the foreign producer to maintain market share, will a voluntary tax on people unwilling to buy American.

38 posted on 11/26/2013 10:08:24 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: skeeter
For whatever reason, this administration doesn't seem to like the Chinese very much. There's no doubt what they're after in the Middle East, but surprisingly, they seem to unwittingly swerve into doing the right thing in this part of the world. I'm sure it's baffling to our foes and allies in the region.
40 posted on 11/26/2013 10:11:17 AM PST by aegiscg47
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To: skeeter

Diversionary Tactics. Nothing more. Anything to get in the news and get OFF of the Obamacare fiasco.


41 posted on 11/26/2013 10:14:30 AM PST by esoxmagnum (Turtles don't win fights, they just turtle up. Victory belongs to the aggressor, not the turtle.)
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To: Slambat
The jug-eared punk wants a war.
I think you're right - he reminds me of the president character played by Martin Sheen in "The Dead Zone". Only he wants to be fondled by a grey haired general while launching the missiles.
42 posted on 11/26/2013 10:18:48 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Slambat

War is a major distraction— just like FDR. And everyone would have to enroll in national health for the “defense effort”. This is like russia’s use of xenophobia to distract from the CPSU and stalin’s murderous policies and starvation.
FDR did it to distract from failures to cure the Depression.


43 posted on 11/26/2013 10:34:06 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Nachum

An ELINT mission. The EB-52 carries tons (literally) of electronic intelligence and ECM gear. I’m sure this sortie gave us an update on China’s electronic tactical capabilities.


44 posted on 11/26/2013 10:34:07 AM PST by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Nachum
The B-52 is an extraordinary aircraft.

 photo B-52H_static_display_arms_06_zpsd3f40eac.jpg

 photo planes_9499c6ac_zpsa47d7dcd.jpg

45 posted on 11/26/2013 10:35:39 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: blam

Thailand?


46 posted on 11/26/2013 10:36:58 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: blam

Of the Nimitz carriers, only seven are currently available. Three are in maintenance with the Lincoln in the middle of its 4-year RCOH rebuild.


47 posted on 11/26/2013 10:37:24 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: DoughtyOne

I think protectionists should offer to pay higher taxes for those who cannot afford them. It’s working for Obamacare.


48 posted on 11/26/2013 10:40:18 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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49 posted on 11/26/2013 10:41:17 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum
Good thing we are cutting the hell out out of our strategic forces via the Sequester.
50 posted on 11/26/2013 10:43:24 AM PST by SkyPilot
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