Posted on 11/26/2013 11:22:48 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
If the church is not political why did the US bishops lobby for universal healthcare.
What was he doing in the woods? Determining what the bear was up to?
The Pope hits one from under the bus!
And there was a sister following him with a bad habit.
“This defense of unborn life is closely linked to the defense of each and every other human right. It involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development. Human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems. Once this conviction disappears, so do solid and lasting foundations for the defense of human rights, which would always be subject to the passing whims of the powers that be.”
Concerning capitalism, it is a Marxist word and construct, that we have incorrectly fallen into using, just like 'progressive' and 'liberal'. The Catholic Church has also succumbed to socialism's linguistic blitzkrieg. Only Marxists want to 'bridle' 'capitalism'. What they decry as capitalism is merely the natural order of things to the rest of us.
Yep.
And Amnesty.
Short answer: they are not acting within the rules of the Church when they do so.
Because the USCCB allows themselves to act politically.
I have actually written to them on occasion requesting that they read the Catechism and other documents of the Church, and to quit acting outside of what the Church teaches.
They don’t listen to me.
They are the first to say they can’t preach from the pulpit on matters of politics, whom to vote for, and no anti abortion talk, certainly no anti birth control rhetoric.
So they pick and choose.
and they’ll have to answer for it.
Same as McConnell will have to explain why he didn’t protect and defend the Constitution, working to preserve this country for God, after swearing on a Bible to God that he WOULD do so.
The pope is a fiscal liberal?
From what source do you get your information?
It sounds like from a variation of school bus philosophy mixed with generational ignorant hatred.
Crack a book on the subject if you wish to opine.
pure bigotry, I assume.
Try stating a source for the information on the pope’s economic ideas, in his own words.
“Caritas in veritate” - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness
Some traditional habits are very bad if you’re out in the woods trying to find a bear ... or avoid one ... or avoid what he left behind.
Well, you are mistaken. The classical definition of liberal economics always included minimal regulation of free markets. This was understood as a more progressive, efficient, and scientific approach. The traditional conservative view was that established economic interests should be protected, to promote social stability. Most people calling themselves economic conservatives today would have found themselves solidly in the liberal camp 100 years ago. If heavily regulated markets seem unamerican, it’s mostly because America has always been a liberal project, with rare exceptions.
I agree. My observation was that the term "capitalist" is a Marxist concept. Classic liberals did not consider themselves "capitalists". Yes, today we would call classic liberals conservatives. Socialists stole the words "progressive" prior to WWI and "liberal" in the thirties as aphoristic fig leaves for their base intentions. When the Catholic church refers to "unbridled capitalism", "unfettered capitalism" and "progressivism", they demonstrate their need for a history lesson.
From Wikipedia:
The term capitalism, in its modern sense, is often attributed to Karl Marx. In his magnum opus Capital, Marx wrote of the "capitalist mode of production" and revealed its laws of functioning using a method of understanding today known as Marxism. However, Marx rarely used the term "capitalism", although it was used twice in the more political interpretations of his work, which were primarily authored by his collaborator Friedrich Engels.
I crack lots of books and I'll opine when I want to, thanks.
The pope is a fiscal liberal? From what source do you get your information?
The source is his own mouth. He called for guaranteed health care...a socialist position.
He also railed against the "autonomy of the markets". Our markets are highly regulated and NOT automonous. If the Pope really cared for the poor, he would be calling for more capitalism, not less.
The Catholic Church has seen ideologies come and go. She doesn’t need history lessons from Whigs and neocons.
Parochialism. Applying American MSM invented categories and euphemisms to the Pope is, besides playing the MSM's propaganda game, like applying the same buzzwords to some Amazonian tribe.
Sure:
Pope Francis:
“Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” he wrote. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”
He's speaking of Reaganesque lower tax rates. I see lower tax rates as bringing greater justice, the alternative is slavery. The pope doesn't see it that way. He has the liberal view on it.
I read the Pope's own words. He often mentions capitalism in a negative sense.
His recent statement did it again; he mentioned "the absolute autonomy of markets" as a cause for poverty.
Well, the markets are today highly regulated by socialist governments. They are in no way "autonomous" as the Pope claims. Why not decry the burdensome regulation as something which is blocking help for the poor? That would be a big help for those who are struggling.
Man, that is so blatant.
will inevitably bring about justice... outside of the US, as being too much to hope for.
That makes him economically liberal?
No.
“He called for guaranteed health care...a socialist position.
He also railed against the “autonomy of the markets”. Our markets are highly regulated and NOT automonous. If the Pope really cared for the poor, he would be calling for more capitalism, not less.”
Where?, When?
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