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To: xzins
This is the equivalent of our domestic policy "Shelter In Place" ROE being conducted in public schools. Our troops are nothing more than sheep being kept in the slaughtering pens.

This is an outright criminal and traitorous act on Obama's part.

16 posted on 11/27/2013 3:51:47 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS
This is the knowing sacrifice of our own troops.

It should be written in stone that anytime we stop pursuing total victory in any combat operation that we are required to bring our troops home.

This is obscene what's happening to our troops in Afghanistan.

We had a lieutenant sentenced to hard labor for protecting his troops:

The recent conviction of First Lieutenant Clint Lorance is a prime example of how the rules of engagement have placed our troops at risk. No where is this more apparent than in the recent conviction of Lt. Lorance was found guilty of violating the ROE and sentenced to 20 years in prison, forfeiture of pay, and dismissal from the Army.

A First Lieutenant was convicted of murder for ordering his platoon to fire on the Taliban in hostile territory? What kind of war is this?

The twenty-seven year old Lorance had been placed in charge of the platoon on June 30, 2012. The previous commander and 3 of his men had been ambushed and taken off of the battle field just 3 days prior in a small village there.

Lorance and his platoon were off to that village 72 hours later on July 2. His platoon was on high alert in enemy territory in a remote sector of Kandahar Province. They were on foot, using mine detectors to traverse the area. Lorance received a radio warning from Army pilots patrolling the skies that hostiles were North, East and West of the platoon’s position on the ground. The Lieutenant confirmed the description of the hostiles with the Army pilots, and the pilots continued to monitor the enemy presence.

So the group is in enemy territory surrounded on three sides by hostiles, they are on foot in an area that is believed to be full of landmines on their way to a village that had just wiped out a group of Americans three days prior.

That is when a couple of men sitting idle on motorcycles came into view; they appeared to be acting as spotters. The group fit the description from the Army pilots of hostiles.

It is not uncommon for the Taliban to approach on motorcycles and toss a few grenades as they speed passed, or to relay positions via radio to distant artillery. The area had been taken over by the Taliban after forcing out the local population. So, it wasn’t like there was a chance these guys were a motorcyle club out on an afternoon picnic or to travel to the store or inspect their farms. The farmers had long abandoned that region and were south to the river of Kandahar province. It is a bit dicey to grow crops in a combat region and farmer tend to prefer places where troops are not trampling their crops and livestock.

In enemy territory, the intelligence description fit the group. Lorance could have waited for the distant artillery to take out his platoon. He could have waited for them to speed into his platoon with grenades, or fire a shot to set off a land mine. He could have sat there and wondered if the Afghan soldiers were going to take the lead, or inquire if would they perhaps like Americans to do so. A wrong decision would have resulted in his whole platoon being wiped out. To protect his platoon, Clint Lorance radioed his marksman and ordered two long-range precision shots. Two members of the Taliban were killed.

A short while later, Lorance’s platoon entered the Taliban village where the prior platoon had been wiped out. They were met with gunfire. The arrested two confirmed Taliban fighters and brought them back to headquarters. The arrested Taliban members tested positive for gunpowder. The Taliban members were later released.

The Afghanistan government filed a complaint regarding the incident. That is when the Army arrested First Lieutenant Lorance. Four of his platoon members, including the trigger man who actually took out the two scouts, agreed to testify against Lorance in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Had they not accepted immunity, they would have faced similar prosecution.

Prior to this incident, Lorance had served two combat tours; 15 months in Iraq and 7 months in Afghanistan. He wasn’t a “rookie” to the battlefield and had served in the Army for 10 years and had led the platoon less the 72 hours when the incident occurred. He had seen action before and based his actions on his experience and intelligence report. He did what he believed to be the right thing to save his soldiers and protect their life. For this, he has been convicted of murder under the new ROE.

The website to defend Lt. Lorance has this to say about the Afghan in the Lead ROE when Lorance had asked for clarification on ROE changes in July.

LT Lorance sought clarification as to what exactly “Afghan in the Lead” meant. The Company Commander replied with “if the Afghans don’t want to patrol, we don’t patrol”. This guidance was vague. US Generals should have very clearly specified the modification, if any, to the current rules of engagement. Many platoons simply stopped patrolling, which set the stage for the Taliban to retake the territory. When the US is absent, there is a power vacuum. LT Lorance knew that in order to protect his men, his platoon must continue to patrol often.

What kind of war are we fighting? It would seem this guy is worthy of a medal, not a court-martial. Taking a soldier to task for patrolling an area and responding the intelligence seems like a smart thing to do. If this is the sort of situation our soldiers are in, then it is time for our troops to come home.


18 posted on 11/27/2013 4:12:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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