Skip to comments.US Shuts Down Vatican Embassy After Striking Deal with Iran
Posted on 11/27/2013 8:44:49 AM PST by Kaslin
What would you do next if you had successfully brokered a Neville Chamberlin style deal with a rogue state that wants to annihilate America and her Middle East allies? Well. . . Youd downgrade diplomatic ties with the Vatican, of course. At least, thats what you would do if you were working in the Obama White House. The White House has recently announced that they will shut down the US Embassy to the Holy See, and relocate it to a safer location on the grounds of the American Embassy in Italy.
Officially, the US is explaining the relocation effort as a security measure in reaction to the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. . . Because, ya know, those crazy Vatican Catholics are a naturally militant bunch. Heaven forbid someone makes an anti-Christian movie! Whoa, the whole place could erupt into a deadly string of mass prayers and forgiveness! (Ahem Sarcasm.)
The decision on part of the US Administration to move the American Embassy is being interpreted by many as a slap in the face to the Vatican. At the very least, it is likely to produce a tension that will lead to a deterioration of US/ Vatican communication and cooperation.
Adding to the suspicion that Americas decision is primarily political, and not based in security concerns, is the fact that the current Embassy has state of the art security. According to former US Ambassador James Nicholson, the current location is highly secure, and pivotal to continuing relations with the Holy See.
Besides: Were talking about the US Embassy. . . In Vatican City. Its not as if were discussing an un-fortified compound in the heart of a Libyan war-zone. (Cough*Benghazi*Cough) Heres a solution: add a couple more Marines, and maybe borrow the Pope-Mobile for high profile visitors.
Suggesting that Obama is intentionally downgrading US/ Vatican ties due to some resentment toward Catholic policy would almost seem too petty to contemplate; until it is put into a broader perspective. The Holy See has proven, throughout the years, to be a monumental asset in world affairs. Our relationship with the Vatican aids in humanitarian missions, peace brokerage, and international trade with governments of all religious affiliations.
According to Nicholson, This is anything but a good time to diminish the stature of this post. To diminish the stature of this post is to diminish its influence. In an age where Obamas allies in the Middle East include Taliban rebels and Al Qaida operatives, the timing seems even more precarious. When Iran feels emboldened on the world stage, when Israel feels threatened, and when Christians are finding the Middle East to be an ever-increasingly dangerous corner of the world, one would think the US Government would be bolstering its relationship with Gods emissary.
But. . . Maybe thats the problem. Perhaps Obama is just a bit upset that the Catholic world headquarters hasnt yet offered universal contraception to its female members. Or perhaps hes a little unnerved about their use of the word Christmas. Or, maybe, hes just feeling a bit irritated that the Pope consults God every day, rather than the White House.
Whatever the reason, the end result is the same: A sizeable devolution of US/ Vatican ties. Not to mention a marginal political fallout here at home. After all, Christians are less than pleased with the details of Obamacare, the repeal of dont ask dont tell, and the White Houses general disregard for religious liberty. So What the heck? Go ahead and insult the Pope while youre at it.
Furthermore, the move illustrates our Presidents perspective on right and wrong when it comes to world events. It says something about the Administrations world view when they champion an Iranian Nuclear deal that lifts sanction and emboldens our enemies the very same week they withdraw diplomatic ties from the Vatican.
At least When Neville Chamberlin was trotting around Europe declaring peace in our time, he was primarily naïve. Thats not necessarily the case with our current leader of appeasement.
Of course, then again, maybe the President is just trying to be fair. Maybe he didnt want Israel to feel like the only religious sovereign-state to be snubbed by the US this week.
US Embassy in Rome is a fortress of walls, cameras and barriers. A huge place. All US Embassies in Europe are fortresses. Unique and indeed foreign compared with other diplomatic missions.
There’s just no end to the petty in-your-face liberal hate that boils inside this guy.
Why would a Muslim country have an embassy at the Vatican? Hussein Soetoro’s decision makes perfect sense.
America's allies and friends are now Obama's enemies!
Well, perhaps the USCCB will think to stop pushing for amnesty now seeing how the Obama administration really DOESN’T have the best interests of the church in mind
Nah. Naïveté reigns in the minds of those who grew up in Mexico and in union democrat households
I wish they’d read the catechism though
I thought they were just floating this and now it’s a done deal, WTH? So much for the most transparent administration ever. This thug seriously is ruing our reputation in the non-Islamic world. And the media scum had the nerve to say it was W who was ruining our reputation.
I wonder if there is anyone who works for the government, this administration, who has a conscience or true moral values?
a) Weakens AmericaI have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
Satans minion just doing what minions do
Ping for later
obama is a muslime and Americans are STILL in denial.
I don’t think that I am the only one who is convinced that he is the Anti Christ
Or if not, he’ll do...
Absolutely brilliant, Barry. You are such an immature putz.
[ obama is a muslime the Anti- Christ and Americans are STILL in denial.
No No No
obama is an Anti- Christ and Americans are STILL in denial.
There are many anti-christs. not just one, they have gone by many names in the past such as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc...
Really Fixed it for you
Why would a Muslim country have an embassy at the Vatican? Hussein Soetoros decision makes perfect sense.
Sounds like closing the embassy in the Vatican was PART of the agreement with Iran, I wouldn’t be surprised at all about this...
I don’t think he is the antichrist but a forerunner of the antichrist. Imagine how good ANYONE would seem following him, enough to fool even more than he fooled.
On the other hand, with the Pope now railing against capitalism ala' Hugo Chavez, perhaps the GOP should openly thank Obama for taking this strong stance in defense of Capitalism.
Guess I'll have to check in with Ann Barnhardt to see her reaction to these developments.
He may or may not be a muslim. I think not.
He is, however, a Marxist. That is more dangerous.
Heavy handed, iron fisted, central governments always take revenge against those that oppose them. You sue us over Obamacare, ve vill take action!
Everything the Regime does is political. Everything.
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You're not. My family and I stand with you.
A thread started yesterday, almost made it sound like the U.S. Embassy-to-"Holy-See" that is being moved to the greater U.S. Diplomatic Mission to Italy (Embassy Rome), was being moved from Vatican City, itself.
The Michael Schaus article from Townhall, at the header of this FR thread, seems to be laboring under that same erroneous assumption, by which I mean, the US Embassy to the Vatican is not presently now, or has ever been in Vatican City.
Before doing some checking, I had something of the same thoughts as Shaus expressed here;
The U.S. Embassy Vatican has never been in that city-state that lay entirely within the city of Rome, but has been located on Aventine Hill (one of the famous 7 hills of Rome) since 1984, when official US diplomatic ties were first established with that entity known as "Holy See" (they like it when they are called that - makes 'em feel special).
In light of the U.S. not having fully formal diplomatic relations with the Holy See (having consular level contact, but lacking full ambassadorial level for those times prior to loss of the Papal States, with later there having been envoys to popes, and almost always some representation/communication first to the Papal States, then later to contact those at 'Vatican City'; it stands that all should be reminded there was no "Vatican City", until such was created 1926 as answer to what in those times was referred to as the Roman question. It could (should?) be noted Pius IX was stubborn to the end, not wanted to cede Quirinal Palace refusing to hand over the keys (showing that papal 'thought' at the time, included having secular rule as a king of sorts as being their own 'divine right' like other 'kings', etc.).
Meanwhile, there is still diplomatic presence of the Vatican, to the U.S. They have a nice building, sort-of between Norway and Finland, kind-of across street from Naval Observatory grounds, in Washington, D.C.
Interesting perspective. I hadn’t thought of the coincidence of the Iran pact and the shut down of the Vatican embassy until now, but it’s a very likely possibility.
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“He may or may not be a muslim. I think not.
He is, however, a Marxist. That is more dangerous.”
Hmm, both are pretty dangerous. Islamofascism vs Fascism. Seems equally dangerous to me....
I know I am nitpicking, and I am not intending to attack you, but felt it was worth pointing out the similarities...
This is because Catholics are sueing for relief from Obamacare..... period....... I have no doubt
Though I'd just as soon see this as another of Obama's "in your face" type of behavior, the only support for that is seeming to go against the Vatican's past expressed desires for diplomatic relations to themselves from nations, be separate from ambassadorial relations of those nations, with the nation of Italy itself.
As it is, there will remain a U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican itself, though that offices headquarters will now be housed in the same building as Embassy Rome. If it makes anyone feel any better...I read that there will be a separate entrance, just for Embassy Vatican.
Let us all not read too much into this, for "safety" may have been something of an issue. Besides...it would be tough for any now opposing the move, if that separate embassy 'building' as it were, came under attack. This may be one reason the "Vatican" as far as I know, has for now not ventured comment.
Let us keep our powder dry here, folks.
Obama can be seen clearly enough as enemy of Christianity for other reasons. Washington once again backing off from Iran, and this time seeming to acquiesce in some form to Iranian demands they have some "right to" nuclear weapons (the devil is in the details of the details of this latest "diplomatic deal" with the Iranians, whatever the h_ _ _ that actually is) is the real problem, not the consolidation of diplomatic offices for both U.S. diplomatic mission to Italy, and to the Vatican, into one building, in Rome.
Speak up in favor of the traitor, Catholic bashers. I know you want to.
I agree. There was a thread on this yesterday. The US Vatican embassy isn’t in the Vatican. And it’s apparantly going into a new building (so not just a different door) on the Rome Embassy’s grounds. With assurances that the two embassies will remain distinct...
This probably makes sense from a security standpoint, and is going to save money. I bet the current Vatican Embassy is worth millions for both the building and land.
Sure. Those Europeans are prone to riot, invade embassies and kill diplomats and US military personnel, especially when PO’d about a you tube video. Happens all the time. Opposite of the piece-loving, tranquil temperaments of Libyan and Egyptian nationals./s
After Israel, Rome is the second target for Iranian nukes ...
Read Revelation 13. The Antichrist will be immensely popular with the entire world and all who are not saved will worship him. I think Obama’s popularity has already peaked, and even then, he wasn’t all that.
The Vatican wouldn’t say anything about this one way or the other, regardless of the opinion of the Pope or anybody else involved.
There may be practical reasons, but since the current building was just reinforced a couple of years ago, I doubt it.
I still see it as a message. I agree that the essential problem is the very vague “deal” with Iran - which seems to give them everything they want, and to us, nothing - but I can’t see that folding embassy Vatican into a room at embassy Rome - even with a separate entrance - is anything but downgrading.
“Suggesting that Obama is intentionally downgrading US/ Vatican ties due to some resentment toward Catholic policy would almost seem too petty to contemplate;”
Too petty to contemplate, like shutting down national parks, closing inns and ousting people from their homes just to inflict pain?
Safety isn't an issue. The Vatican embassy is a secure as the Italian one -- possibly more so. You have to understand the subtleties of international diplomacy. This is a slap in the face to the Vatican and to Catholics the world over, and it is INTENDED to be nothing less than that. Quit averting your eyes and see hedonist, left-wing, evil for what it is.
We have real things to criticize Obama (and his legions of supporters) over.
If there wasn't such thing as our own embassies coming under attack, being now increasingly under threat (how much so, possibly, in Italy -- I cannot say for any certainty) , then this could be seen as deliberate snub, perhaps. As it is...let's not get our facts wrong, and look foolish while doing so.
Obama has seemed to have mastered an art of "baiting" while combining that with deflection, and an easy setting up grounds for his critics to be criticized as extreme -- if not nutty.
Look at the birth certificate goings-on. Those are STILL continuing, with Obama and Co. getting away with not having settled it honestly and forthrightly from the beginning (he could have spent 20$ or so for a copy, himself) but chose to string it all out, allowing the critics who hounded him into looking like extremists, thus mollifying those among his own supporters who may have doubts as to other things...for the thinking goes among them...anything the slightest "Fox News" is mis-info, therefor anything critical of Obama is a lie, blah, blah.
So--- the Obabamtrons bait and feed, hoping for over-reaction they can pull out like yet another rabbit out of a hat, when the going get's too close to focusing on what's really going on. In this instance --- focus can shift from dealings with Iran, to something allegedly "against" the Catholic church -- and get people talking about the latter, rather than the former.
Then, when they can get people to drag the "church" into it (not limited to the RCC, mind you) when it comes to the ongoing discussions concerning ObamaCare forcing everyone to pay into a system which not only "provides" birth control pills (why no deductible for those things? you tell us, Democrat Naral types) but the REAL stinker -- paying for abortions themselves(!) red alert(!), this is the part they don't want to talk about, it's called "women's reproductive health", instead.
See how it works? Once we see it better, we may have better chance of not letting the discourse be so easily so perpetually defined and controlled by DemoRat operatives and sympathizer/useful, over-educated but still-- idiots.
We have to be smarter. We need to learn how to be cunning, even manipulative, while remaining harmless as doves, ourselves.
The Clown hates: Christianity, the Constitution, and (free market) Capitalism.
Indeed, you have to be smarter.
You have to treat Obama as Adolf should have been treated in 1938. If not, welcome to the next holocaust.
Personally, I think you’ll go straight into it while bleating “thank you, Lord Obama”.
Good read on our nutjob leader:
Why Obama Lies