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Marco Rubio on Edward Snowden: A 'Traitor' Who Sparked 'Conspiracy Theories'
The Atlantic ^ | November 22, 2013 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 11/27/2013 10:24:35 AM PST by kobald

This week in Washington, Senator Marco Rubio accused a fellow American of treason. Edward Snowden drew the Republican's ire by informing hundreds of millions of innocent people that the NSA is spying on them...

Anyone familiar with the Snowden story will understand why Rubio's comments are misleading. Americans are concerned about their civil liberties because of the accurate information the former Booz Allen Hamilton contractor leaked. He isn't responsible for any conspiracy theories, except in the sense that a conspiracy is "an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act," and he exposed NSA and GCHQ cooperation on such acts. Finally, Snowden didn't exactly choose Vladimir Putin's Russia. His plan was to pass through en route to a different country, but while he was there, the Obama Administration yanked his passport. As a result of that brilliant strategy, they stranded a man with lots of secrets in Russia rather than, say, Ecuador...

Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, who are much, much better informed about NSA surveillance, insist that "we have yet to see any evidence that the bulk phone records collection program has provided any otherwise unobtainable intelligence," and believe much of what the NSA does is not necessary to protect our security.

One can agree or disagree with Snowden's actions. But it is mighty strange to label as a traitor someone who acted to inform his countrymen and protect their liberties.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: anonymous; bigbrother; criminalconspiracy; cultureofcorruption; espionage; fifthcolumnist; infiltrated; marcorubio; notawhistleblower; nsa; obamavoter; rubio; securityclearance; traitor; treason; wiretapping
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1 posted on 11/27/2013 10:24:35 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

Mario is getting on my nerves.


2 posted on 11/27/2013 10:26:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: kobald

Rubio is an ass...


3 posted on 11/27/2013 10:27:27 AM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: kobald

It’s not a theory you RINO, it’s a conspiracy!


4 posted on 11/27/2013 10:27:59 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: kobald

He always reminded me of a college freshman, not a MAN up to the job of running a country

smart but naive- and he is proving it


5 posted on 11/27/2013 10:28:40 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: kobald

If there’s one thing Rubio knows about, it’s betrayal.


6 posted on 11/27/2013 10:28:46 AM PST by Hugin ( More firepower1)
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To: kobald

Rubio says one thing in English and the opposite in spanish. He is a despicable lying demagogue.


7 posted on 11/27/2013 10:30:29 AM PST by Ray76
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To: kobald

I haven’t been following Rubio’s career but if this is his genuine feeling then he doesn’t understand how the common man feels about Snowden or the government Snowden is exposing. For me, this is a mark against Rubio that will be hard to overcome.


8 posted on 11/27/2013 10:30:35 AM PST by DeltaZulu
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To: kobald
but while he was there, the Obama Administration yanked his passport. As a result of that brilliant strategy, they stranded a man with lots of secrets in Russia rather than, say, Ecuador...

I am beginning to think that it is more than just coincidence that Edward Snowden is holed up in Russia.
9 posted on 11/27/2013 10:31:56 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: kobald

“GREW in office..”

Dead to me, now.


10 posted on 11/27/2013 10:32:03 AM PST by gaijin
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To: kobald

Given that they’re snooping on everyone’s porn habits I wonder just what sort of naughty stuff Rubio’s been watching.


11 posted on 11/27/2013 10:32:21 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: kobald

I don’t view Snowden as a hero. He did defect to MOSCOW after all. Loose lips sink ships.....That is what I was I taught.


12 posted on 11/27/2013 10:33:54 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: kobald

Rubio is nothing but a John McCain protégé.

He’ll pick up the mantle once McCain is planted.


13 posted on 11/27/2013 10:37:28 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: kobald

I agree with him. Snowden is a traitor.


14 posted on 11/27/2013 10:37:32 AM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
and if the ship needs to be sunk in order to preserve America’s liberty………….then loose lips are good
15 posted on 11/27/2013 10:38:20 AM PST by drypowder
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To: beandog

Disagree with you both.


16 posted on 11/27/2013 10:39:36 AM PST by madison10
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To: IbJensen

“The NSA is Watching Your Town”

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not shout
I’m telling you why
The NSA is watching your town

They are puttin’ you on a list
So you can’t fly anywhere twice
Spying on you if you’re naughty or nice
The NSA is watching your town

They hack your computer when you’re sleeping
Take your info when you’re awake
They don’t care if you’ve been bad or good
So be good for your own sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not shout
I’m telling you why
The NSA is watching your town

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3096052/posts


17 posted on 11/27/2013 10:39:40 AM PST by GraceG
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To: beandog

I agree with him. Snowden is a traitor.

Pin a medal on his chest for exposing government snooping on innocent citizens...

Then put a blindfold on him and give him a lit cigarette and a hot fast piece of lead for defecting to Russia...


18 posted on 11/27/2013 10:41:30 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I don’t view Snowden as a hero. He did defect to MOSCOW after all. Loose lips sink ships.....That is what I was I taught.

I view him as a hero who became a coward...

He should have exposed all his info and stayed here in the USA in the public eye after dumping ALL of it!!!

If he wound up dead or persecuted then he could have become a Martyr, now he is only a Heor or a traitor depending on who you ask.


19 posted on 11/27/2013 10:43:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I don’t view Snowden as a hero. He did defect to MOSCOW after all.

One interpretation is that Snowden is a traitor who defected to Moscow. Another interpretation is that he is a concerned but naive whistleblower who had to flee to the safety of Moscow.

I'm guessing that the second interpretation is more likely.

20 posted on 11/27/2013 10:43:53 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: drypowder

and if the ship needs to be sunk in order to preserve America’s liberty………….then loose lips are good

Agreed, If the government has become tyrannical against it’s citizens, then lose lips are the first step before crap starts hitting the fan, and it has already hit the fan...


21 posted on 11/27/2013 10:44:33 AM PST by GraceG
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To: kobald

Rubio: one more reason he’s dead to me...


22 posted on 11/27/2013 10:44:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Leaning Right

I don’t view Snowden as a hero. He did defect to MOSCOW after all.

One interpretation is that Snowden is a traitor who defected to Moscow. Another interpretation is that he is a concerned but naive whistleblower who had to flee to the safety of Moscow.

I’m guessing that the second interpretation is more likely.

I am wondering if the whole wiki-leaks debacle had gone differently if Snowden would have felt safer staying the USA......

There was a lot of questionable crap around Julian Assange, while he is no saint, there were al lot of low shots aimed at him...

Also look at Michael Hastings.... Funny how the people who made his car haven;t issued a recall for the car he was driving being how it seems they seeming explode blowing out the engine for no reason whatsoever....


23 posted on 11/27/2013 10:47:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: kobald

“He’s dead Jim!”


24 posted on 11/27/2013 10:50:44 AM PST by Renegade
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To: beandog

I agree. Sadly, your post is the first in 14 posts that makes sense.


25 posted on 11/27/2013 10:51:09 AM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Ray76

Though I do think he is correct about one thing...in about 8 weeks the Democrats will be fleeing from Obamacare like extras in a Godzilla movie.


26 posted on 11/27/2013 10:53:33 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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The song for Snowden

http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=8PvOSp4mxn0


27 posted on 11/27/2013 10:56:16 AM PST by GraceG
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To: beandog

> I agree with him. Snowden is a traitor.

I don’t hink his intent was to be a traitor though. I think he started working for NSA as a subcontractor and started noticing how much more they spied on EVERYONE instead of just enemies and put 2 and 2 together and said wow our own governemnt is monioring EVERTHING. He probably thought he was doing the right thing alerting the American People to deep violations of our 4th amendment rights. Overall he alerted us to the fact that we are monitored 24/7 and that they are storing everything to use be able to sift it if they need to blackmail you later.

It’s pretty obvious now that he gave up information that would cripple our national security to our enemies and they will exploit that no doubt. All in all I think his intentions were good but the enemy dragged out some pretty damaging info just the same.


28 posted on 11/27/2013 11:00:20 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: kobald

STRIKE ONE was plenty enough.

As far as I’m concerned...He’s OUTTA THERE!


29 posted on 11/27/2013 11:01:15 AM PST by moovova
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To: kobald

He’s right. Snowden was a radical leftie who was, in fact, trying to discredit the US. All countries do this, if they have the technology, which even Angela Merkel admitted.

The important thing is what they do with the information.

I see this has turned into the usual “hate Rubio” thread. Sigh.


30 posted on 11/27/2013 11:02:23 AM PST by livius
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To: kobald

I have no issue with Snowden revealing that this type of spying was going on by the NSA on U.S. citizens, in fact, I praise him for that.

But I DO MIND if he has exposed our agents and jeopardized our covert operations against our enemies. I’m not sure that that has been demonstrated yet, but I have heard from some I personally know, who are conservative, patriotic, and military vets, who think Snowden is very much a traitor because they claim that he has sabotaged our legitimate covert capabilities.


31 posted on 11/27/2013 11:03:20 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Leaning Right

Have you been following the Brittany Murphy case? She was an actress who died of pnuemonia, supposedly. She was really tight with one of the government whistleblowers, and one morning she is found dead. The same coroner did her was Breitbart’s as well. Now her dad is saying he had an independent test done and it appears she and her deceased husband were poisoned. Dad says the coroner was sent this evidence and ignored it. Coroner is dead of cyanide poisoning and can’t corraborrate anything. I’m thinking Snowden just didn’t want to die.


32 posted on 11/27/2013 11:07:26 AM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: kobald
and believe much of what the NSA does is not necessary to protect our security.

If you believe Obama's NSA is now primarily concerned with protecting our security then you probably also believe that his IRS is primarily concerned with tax collection.

33 posted on 11/27/2013 11:07:29 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: livius
He’s right. Snowden was a radical leftie who was, in fact, trying to discredit the US. All countries do this, if they have the technology, which even Angela Merkel admitted.

Bingo.

Rubio is right, Snowden is a traitor. The guy effectively defected to Russia for gosh sakes. And some conservatives here are defending him? Amazing.

34 posted on 11/27/2013 11:07:58 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: kobald

STRIKE THREE!You’re OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 11/27/2013 11:08:04 AM PST by bandleader
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Lot of buzz out there that our intel folks fear that Snowden has in his possession a “doomsday file” that could blow our intel establishment to bits even more effectively than the Church Committee.

Perhaps he is holding it for protection. But it’s hard to believe Vlad Putin lets him stay without sharing.


36 posted on 11/27/2013 11:08:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rusty schucklefurd

” I’m not sure that that has been demonstrated yet, but I have heard from some I personally know, who are conservative, patriotic, and military vets, who think Snowden is very much a traitor because they claim that he has sabotaged our legitimate covert capabilities.”

Sad to say this but, if they can, your conservative friends in the government and military need to get out because you cannot serve two masters- those that support liberty and those that support tyranny. Those that do stay in the military should do all they can to subvert the current power structure, a power structure that has clearly usurped the constitution and the rights of individual Americans.


37 posted on 11/27/2013 11:13:22 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: kobald
Rubio doesn't pass muster wrt Article II Sec I -

Isn't he in McCain's Gang of Eight, as well ? That's about strike 14 on him.

38 posted on 11/27/2013 11:14:27 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Bobalu

“Rubio is an ass....”

Your keyboard must have malfunctioned. Four additional letters were left out after “ass.”

Seeing as how Rubio wants to turn over America to Mexican invaders, if Rubio wants to see a traitor he should take a look in the mirror instead of pointing his finger at Snowden.


39 posted on 11/27/2013 11:21:50 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Leaning Right

He’s hardly a naive whistleblower. A whistleblower encounters something inappropriate in the context of doing his job. Snowden sought the employment specifically to snoop.

He positioned himself as “watcher of the watchmen”. Who’s watching him?


40 posted on 11/27/2013 11:32:37 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: kobald

I’ve already rejected any idea of voting for him for anything...So this one makes no difference to me...


41 posted on 11/27/2013 11:33:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Longbow1969

I’ve been truly amazed by the FR reaction.

As I keep saying, the important thing is not that it happens - because it has to happen - but what governments do with the information. Protect their country from enemies? Good thing! Assault their domestic political enemies? Bad thing.

But nobody’s looking at that.


42 posted on 11/27/2013 11:34:00 AM PST by livius
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To: GraceG

No, this is Snowden’s song..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmDkqv5QmN4


43 posted on 11/27/2013 11:43:47 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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Traitor....go look in the mirror Rubio, that reflection you see of yourself is a traitor.


44 posted on 11/27/2013 11:57:38 AM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11) Hey, Harry Reid.. 1-800-318-2596!)
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To: kobald

I don’t give 3 strikes to politicians. One strike, yer out.


45 posted on 11/27/2013 12:02:05 PM PST by Boogieman
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Please remind me of the Snowden benefits.


46 posted on 11/27/2013 12:04:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: livius

>> But nobody’s looking at that.

Well, few seem to care that Congress is not being held responsible for something it allegedly controls. Our “representatives” have been silent.

Aside from some kabuki Congressional theater, there’s been no effort of good will.


47 posted on 11/27/2013 12:07:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Longbow1969

>> And some conservatives here are defending him?

Prior to Snowden, the NSA was some obscure agency that was hardly mentioned in any venue. Now, coincidentally under the Marxist regime, it’s the big bad boogieman.

Can we spell d-i-v-e-r-s-i-o-n from the intrusive ACA?

Way too many dumbasses.


48 posted on 11/27/2013 12:12:06 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kobald

Rubio wants to turn over the keys to America to 11 million illegal immigrants, and he has the audacity to accuse somebody else of “treason.” Now that’s rich.


49 posted on 11/27/2013 12:14:33 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: kobald
Rubio lost credibility months ago, but continues to scrape and claw for relevance.

Sorry Markie - start calling 0 out for his treasonous ways and maybe we'll talk.

50 posted on 11/27/2013 12:21:35 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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