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Officials: 4 Dead After Metro-North Train Derails In The Bronx
CBS NY ^ | 12.01.13

Posted on 12/01/2013 7:32:44 AM PST by Perdogg

Four people were killed and 63 injured when a Metro-North commuter train derailed Sunday morning in the Bronx, officials said.

All of the train’s seven cars came off the curved track about 100 feet north of the Spuyten Duyvil station around 7:20 a.m., MTA officials said. One car came to rest feet from the water.

(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bronx; deathtoll; mta; nyc; rail; trainwreck
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1 posted on 12/01/2013 7:32:44 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

dang ....


2 posted on 12/01/2013 7:34:53 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Perdogg

Damn AR trains. Anybody do a universal background check on the engineer? How many more must die due to the misuse of these weapons of war? Oh, dang. We’re talking about choo-choos.


3 posted on 12/01/2013 7:35:11 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Willie Green

ping


4 posted on 12/01/2013 7:38:15 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Perdogg

isn’t it time we get past our close minded attitudes and just ban these military style... uh oh shoot... trains.


5 posted on 12/01/2013 7:43:09 AM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: umgud

Jim gave Willie a one-way train ticket out of town.


6 posted on 12/01/2013 7:46:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Perdogg
Looks like it happened by the Hudson, just south of Yonkers. I've taken that line in the past out of Tarrytown. Always a nice ride, especially with a Foster's oil can on the way back.

Whenever I see pictures of derailments, I'm always amazed that there are not more fatalities. Nobody wears seat belts on trains.

7 posted on 12/01/2013 7:47:10 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
Whenever I see pictures of derailments, I'm always amazed that there are not more fatalities. Nobody wears seat belts on trains.

I saw a cargo train derail in Rochester NY in the early '70s. Only moving 30 mph or so in city limits and cars were leaping straight up and coming down every which way. Having seen one in process, I'm even more amazed at the low number of deaths.

8 posted on 12/01/2013 7:58:15 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Perdogg
They were warned!


9 posted on 12/01/2013 7:59:45 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: rktman

Bet a million dollars the union engineer was texting on his iPhone. Steve Jobs’s fault.


10 posted on 12/01/2013 8:29:29 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Flashback:

NTSB: Speed, texting factors in derailment

Inattention to signals, ineffective communication, distraction from text messaging and speeding were all cited as factors in the Jan. 12, 2012, crash that involved three trains and injured two people, according to a federal agency.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/duneland/jackson-township/ntsb-speed-texting-factors-in-derailment/article_af20b3a8-05f6-569e-b8db-74af18145c03.html


11 posted on 12/01/2013 8:38:04 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Perdogg

Flashback:

Spain Train Crash Conductor Was Using Phone

Investigators Say Train Was Traveling at Nearly Twice Speed Limit

MADRID—A Spanish train driver was talking on his work cellphone and traveling at nearly twice the recommended speed when the train derailed on a tight curve last week, in Spain’s worst rail accident since the 1940s.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323854904578637961496514342


12 posted on 12/01/2013 8:41:05 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
A few years ago, the MBTA in Boston had a "minor" accident. ~$3.5M in damages, but no deaths. The motor "man" was texting, IIRC. Transsexual to boot, and had taken the name, not "Chas", but "Aiden Quinn".

FWIW, employees were supposedly prohibited from carrying cellphones while on the clock. They do have their radios for emergencies and work related business.

13 posted on 12/01/2013 9:07:43 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Flashback:

Engineer in Deadly LA Train Crash Was Texting

Less than a week after one of the worst train accidents in recent U.S. history, California officials today issued a temporary order banning train operators from using cell phones on duty.

Federal transportation authorities say the engineer of a Southern California commuter train who ran a red light and slammed into a freight train last Friday — killing 25 people and injuring more than 130 others — was text-messaging on his cell phone. The engineer, Robert Sanchez, who died in the crash, never hit his brakes.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/conductor_in_deadly_la_train_c.html


14 posted on 12/01/2013 9:18:38 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: trebb
A relative was drafted at the end of WWII. His train to basic training in some Southern state crashed/derailed going into the station. The station burned down.

He couldn't remember what type of engine it was, and I think he said there weren't any serious injuries.

I knew a guy that was on a commuter train that was rammed from behind in a tunnel going into Boston. His injuries amounted to a dry cleaning bill for his suit from smoke grime and smell.

15 posted on 12/01/2013 9:20:21 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Aiden Quinn caused $10 million in damage and sent 12 people to the hospital, but s/he only got six months probation. Changing sex was a great career move.


16 posted on 12/01/2013 9:33:11 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: rktman

Not so funny. We think a friend of ours might have been on that train.


17 posted on 12/01/2013 9:34:16 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m very sorry. I really hope and pray that’s not the case.

As an aside, I would very much like to see calculations regarding what the forces are at different speeds for the old and new Metro North cars at all these types of locations where there are curves. Maybe they need to rethink their rules of operation for these trains.


18 posted on 12/01/2013 9:38:44 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Perdogg

A woman on the ground outside the station was killed by falling masonry. Two passengers were injured. The conductor was given a 25-franc fine and the engine driver a 50-franc fine.

19 posted on 12/01/2013 9:39:59 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: miss marmelstein

You are correct. The situation is not funny. If you did have a friend on the train, our prayers for their safety.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 9:45:54 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: jimbo123

The Illinois Central Officially said
He’s a good engineer to be lying there dead.

(Actually, the ICRR investigation of the wreck a Vaughn, MS in 1900 scapegoated Casey Jones and whitewashed other actors. Many historians believe that Jones may have been the least culpable of those involved.)


21 posted on 12/01/2013 9:46:30 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Metro North is a disaster as is New Jersey transit. They simply don’t care about their customers. This morning a Metro North official bristled nastily to a reporter when he suggested that there may be more fatalities than 4. Now, of course, it looks like the reporter was right.


22 posted on 12/01/2013 9:51:07 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I guess I just remembered the initial report, not the followups.


23 posted on 12/01/2013 9:51:14 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: SamAdams76

This is a very beautiful part of New York state. Full of Dutch history!


24 posted on 12/01/2013 9:53:26 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Praying that your friend is alright, and for all involved.


25 posted on 12/01/2013 10:13:49 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: pax_et_bonum

Oh, thank you! He may not be on the train. My husband is trying to get through to his family.


26 posted on 12/01/2013 10:16:58 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
“This morning a Metro North official bristled nastily to a reporter when he suggested that there may be more fatalities than 4.”

Well, this is an instance in which I hope they have every ambulance chaser in the tri-state area ramping up to sue them. Arrogance is not acceptable.

27 posted on 12/01/2013 10:28:48 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: miss marmelstein

We narrowly missed having a daughter on the train but they decided to go back to Manhattan yesterday instead, and we were literally in the shower getting ready to take our other college aged daughter to Poughkeepsie to go back to Manhattan late this morning when we heard about it this morning - (I said this in the other thread - sorry to repeat.

So I hope your friend is accounted for and prayers for his safety your way from us.


28 posted on 12/01/2013 10:32:39 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

Thank God your daughter wasn’t on the train. God does work in mysterious ways. I haven’t heard anything about our friend - I’m pretty sure he’s ok. Just an instinct.

I’m a little concerned though that there are divers in the river. I first heard that no one had gone into the water. Then why are there divers out there?


29 posted on 12/01/2013 10:36:30 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

We just found our friend Bill. Wasn’t on the train. Was taking a later one - and now he can’t get back into Manhattan since the trains are all out. Pretty small problem, don’t you think?

Thank you all for your concern and prayers. Freepers are the best.


30 posted on 12/01/2013 10:40:32 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Perdogg

Sister said they suspended service up to Albany from NY. What a mess for all the kids going back to school upstate after Turkey.


31 posted on 12/01/2013 11:01:58 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Looks like train was going too fast for that part of the tracks.

Notice how far it flew off the tracks before resting on it’s side.


32 posted on 12/01/2013 11:10:50 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Col Frank Slade

I’m glad there’s a black box. I’d like to be reassured its not an age or maintenance issue.


33 posted on 12/01/2013 11:16:57 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: miss marmelstein

“...why divers?...”

I heard that since people were thrown from the train the rescuers need to operate on the assumption that it would have been possible for someone to have been thrown into the water since the first car was so close to the river. The odds are probably not extremely high that this happened, however since there is even a chance of it, they have to take the precaution of looking and operating as if it happened since it could have.

Thank you - God does work in mysterious ways - Guardian angels as well! (working as God’s agents, of course)


34 posted on 12/01/2013 11:20:24 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: miss marmelstein

“...Pretty small problem?...”

Yes - we are very grateful that this is the small problem for our daughter who still does have to get back to Manhattan for class at noon tomorrow.

It is interesting how relative things are, really. She will take the Megabus tomorrow morning, she got her ticket the minute we realized she would need one since I would imagine the Megabus is sold out now - for today almost certainly, although they may have added some buses.

Freepers are the best!


35 posted on 12/01/2013 11:25:16 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

My husband is putting together a theatrical reading tomorrow and his lead actor was to come in on Metro North. Oh, well. These things happen.


36 posted on 12/01/2013 11:28:25 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: stonehouse01

It’s sad that I immediately mistrusted the press, government, Metro North (well, that’s a given!) the minute I saw those divers. Thanks for the update.


37 posted on 12/01/2013 11:31:20 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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News break mentioned an engine was “pushing” the cars...


38 posted on 12/01/2013 11:41:57 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

It’s called “push-pull mode”. The locomotive always stays at one end and a cab car at the other. This way reversing the train at the end of the line doesn’t mean using a wye. The operator merely goes from the cab car to the locomotive or vice versa. On this part of Metro-North, the locomotive always runs at the north end of the train and the cab car at the south end.


39 posted on 12/01/2013 11:45:18 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: ToastedHead

Metro North lately has maintenance issues too.

Old infrastructure falling apart, patched together.


40 posted on 12/01/2013 11:45:28 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Gene Eric

Heard that earlier. seems that pulling would be the normal way or so conventional thinking would have one believe?

Grew up about a mile from there. Use to jump off the RR tressle into the headwaters of eastchester bay. That was over 50 years ago. Use to flaten out coins there too.


41 posted on 12/01/2013 11:49:49 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

See Post #39.


42 posted on 12/01/2013 11:51:22 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Col Frank Slade

Sounds like Metro North uses their maintenance money the same way LIRR does. Paying fake disability claims.


43 posted on 12/01/2013 11:52:00 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

There are some significant curves around the Spuyten Duyvil station. Heading northbound from the station the line curves to the right while following the Harlem river, and then marks a sharp (by railroad terms) turn to the right where the line follows the Hudson River up to Albany. Speed through that set of curves would not vary dependent on what passenger equipment, unless it is bilevel (due to center of gravity), which I really doubt can get through the Park Avenue tunnels to Grand Central Terminal.
My guess is that the train went into the curve too fast.


44 posted on 12/01/2013 11:59:52 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Publius

I know that there is a certain practice of having a loco at either end....I do have a large post war lionel collection. that makes me an expert in......nothing.


45 posted on 12/01/2013 12:15:45 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I can imagine what I-95 will look like tomorrow.....as it takes up the ‘slack’ (I assume they wont have the RR ready for traffic by tomorrow...I could be wrong.)

glad I live on LI.


46 posted on 12/01/2013 12:20:08 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

The affected line goes along the Hudson, so it’s not I-95 that will be affected most, but I-87.


47 posted on 12/01/2013 12:25:00 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Perdogg

What I want to know is, how did it derail. I’ve been on the Metro North plenty of times, and their conductors are far better than those on the NYC public transit system, because they provide a smoother ride.


48 posted on 12/01/2013 12:28:05 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: wastedyears

As of now, it would appear that the operator entered the curve before the Spuyten Duyvil station at an excessive rate of speed.


49 posted on 12/01/2013 12:30:05 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

ok never mind....I grew up by the one that goes up into CT near the coast.


50 posted on 12/01/2013 12:30:57 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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