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China to launch moon rover mission to scout out locations for a lunar base (9:30am PST/12:30pm EST)
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 30NOV2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 12/01/2013 8:03:37 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine

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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Before Sputnik, people would’ve said it’s impossible to safely land men on the moon and bring them home.

If we can land on the moon, we could at least orbit Mars.


101 posted on 12/01/2013 12:26:20 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“There are reasons why we haven’t been back.”

Yep, mainly stupidity, shortsightedness, and misplaced priorities. It looks like the private sector may finally pick up the slack though... ;-)


102 posted on 12/01/2013 12:30:43 PM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

Reagan would have shot it down and reminded the Chinese about their ASAT launch a few years back.


103 posted on 12/01/2013 12:51:02 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Ruh roh . . . .

Am I the only one who’s read “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”?

:o(


104 posted on 12/01/2013 12:51:47 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

I never thought of Rev. Sun Myung Moon dressing up in drag.
LOL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress is a 1966 science fiction novel by American writer Robert A. Heinlein, about a lunar colony’s revolt against rule from Earth. Widely admired for its credible presentation of a comprehensively imagined future human society on both the Earth and the moon, it is generally considered one of Heinlein’s major novels as well as one of the most important science fiction novels ever written.[1]

Originally serialized in Worlds of If (December 1965, January, February, March, April 1966), the book received the Hugo Award for best science fiction novel in 1967,[2] and was nominated for the Nebula Award in 1966.[3]


105 posted on 12/01/2013 12:56:59 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
A liftoff shot of the Long March 3B just about to clear the tower.


106 posted on 12/01/2013 1:15:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Found a launch video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zkXd6mUqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9kUf8-JTOY
Has English translation

Lunar probe sep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQkoNtGmzAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hElwYF1-ME

In related news...

Spanish are sending a rover to the Moon to win Google’s Lunar X-Prize. Chinese will take them in 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StPD5BmztpY


107 posted on 12/01/2013 1:23:20 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Chagrined that the Chinese are probably going to have a base on the moon before we finally get a handle on getting a manned program going again.


108 posted on 12/01/2013 2:36:49 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

remember the day when there would be a betting pool on whether the Chinese mission

1- gets off the ground

2- reaches space

3- manages to hit the moon

?


109 posted on 12/01/2013 3:51:39 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Hold it. Didn’t America land a man on the moon first? And didn’t he unfurl and post a flag there? Well, then the moon is US territory. They can’t build a lunar base without US permission.


110 posted on 12/01/2013 5:14:17 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I guess you could say that. What are those sayings?

“Blab it and grab it.”

“Name it and claim it.”


111 posted on 12/01/2013 5:19:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Both China and Russia have made it clear that they intend to use such bases for military purposes. What good did it do us to get to the moon first - we are just letting them take it over.


112 posted on 12/01/2013 10:11:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

What good to get us there first?

Political points and prestige.


113 posted on 12/01/2013 10:15:42 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Will the GOP raise the NASA issue, will they promise to restart Space Exploration or will they fail even to point out that we can’t even launch a freakin website under REGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS.....REGRESSIVE AS IN REGRESSING FROM FAMILY TO HOMOSEXUALITY, FROM LEADING TO FOLLOWING ...FROM BEING THE FIRST TO WALK ON THE MOON TO REGRESSING TO SPECTATOR STATUE.!!!!!


114 posted on 12/01/2013 10:28:48 PM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: greeneyes

What good did it do us to get to the moon first?

We got the good parking spots.


115 posted on 12/01/2013 10:31:37 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; tet68

My complaint is that we have squandered the opportunity that we had, and they are going to establish bases that will give them military advantages over us.


116 posted on 12/01/2013 11:07:20 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We really should beat them to this. I know there are more terrestrial matters on all our minds, but, come on.


117 posted on 12/02/2013 1:05:32 AM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Am I the only one who’s read “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”?

No.

118 posted on 12/02/2013 2:59:28 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: greeneyes

There is little doubt about that.
A lunar station would have been the next logical
step.

I always wanted to fly Pan-Am to the moon.

We can thank LBJ for ending all that with his
“Great Society” scheme.


119 posted on 12/02/2013 4:06:26 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; All

“What the moon landings ought to have taught us (and indeed did at the time) was that where there’s a will, there’s a way. A compelling reason to Mars ought to get mankind there in some way.”

The problem is there’s no compelling reason to send humans to Mars. We’ve got robots there, which are vastly increasing our knowledge. Human exploration would contribute little more, at vast expense for another “we got there first moment” with no commitment or followup. With the current state of space technology, a Mars colony is a pipe dream.

People need to stop seeing the Moon as a worthless destination. The Moon is a natural space station that’s conveniently nearby, and an ideal spaceport for interplanetary travel. It’s also graced by unlimited energy, and no concern about pollution from heavy industry. We really have little idea what natural resources may be there (treasure!), but we know there’s significant water. Due to its lack of atmosphere, the Moon is an ideal platform for shipping cargo to Earth, just as described in “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”.

The Moon is just as inviting a habitable world as Mars, the only drawback being 1/6 G instead of 1/3 G. Due to NASA incompetence, we still don’t know how much gravity is required for reasonably good human health - but centrifuges could take up the slack at least during sleep.

The compelling reason to colonize the Moon first and then go from there, is the Moon is anywhere from 145 to 530 times closer than Mars, depending on where the Earth and Mars are in their orbits. Transit times are just too long to Mars until we have nuclear powered spacecraft. Colonizing the Moon would give us the experience and technology to take the next step.

“Unfortunately, we seem to have lost much of that national will since the long, cold slide into liberalism started in the 1960s.”

I think it will take a partnership between the government and private companies like SpaceX. The Moon is a compelling destination, when you’re relaxing in your below-ground lunar hotel suite the only way you’ll know it’s not Honolulu is the delightfully low gravity... ;-)

I think a purely government effort to start a permanent base due to military needs is also justifiable - particularly given the stated intentions of the Russians and especially the Chinese.


120 posted on 12/02/2013 4:20:24 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

The amount of money spent on space travel and exploration is nothing compared to what we spend on entitlements.

It’s 1/2% compared to 60% of the budget.


121 posted on 12/02/2013 7:12:15 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Eleutheria5
Any claim we might have was abandoned forty years ago.
122 posted on 12/02/2013 9:58:29 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

Why? Has someone else taken title by adverse possession?


123 posted on 12/02/2013 10:21:26 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I’ve read it, too. Great book!


124 posted on 12/02/2013 10:44:11 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Meanwhile back in the USA, we are investing trillions in lazy fat welfare idiots.


125 posted on 12/02/2013 1:55:38 PM PST by Wanderer99
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To: Eleutheria5

Given away to the UN decades ago. We renounced our claims and signed it over in a useless peace gesture.


126 posted on 12/02/2013 5:29:29 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Ridiculous. The moon would be worth fighting over. What has the UN done with it? What they do best: Nothing.


127 posted on 12/02/2013 8:16:20 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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