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Kids flee football in light of NFL violence, Pop Warner participation plummeting
The Washington Times ^ | Thursday, November 28, 2013 | Nathan Fenno

Posted on 12/01/2013 8:03:42 AM PST by MinorityRepublican

For Eddie Mason, the decision wasn’t difficult. The NFL veteran’s 10-year-old son, Tyler, won’t play tackle football until high school.

Mr. Mason’s decision wasn’t a result of the burgeoning national discussion about football’s role in brain injuries. Instead, he believes children should learn the game’s fundamentals without tackling. Mr. Mason, who played three seasons at linebacker for the Redskins before retiring in 2003, sees a problematic culture infecting football’s lowest levels that’s inextricably connected to the safety concerns.

“This brash kind of mindset, the underdog mindset,” Mr. Mason said, “this hard-core attitude kind of deal about who hits the hardest [is part of the issue]. If you look back over the last eight to 10 years, players showing up in the NFL are technically unsound. We’re eight to 10 years behind developing fundamentals for how to play the sport.

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1 posted on 12/01/2013 8:03:42 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Raising a generation of wimps.


2 posted on 12/01/2013 8:05:47 AM PST by fso301
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To: MinorityRepublican

Mass signup in dance school for boys is seen in the near future..............this is the disease we are witnessing.


3 posted on 12/01/2013 8:07:16 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: fso301

Yep. The conversional of all strong, masculine, and resilient men of character that could be potentionally rebellious to the Empire into gay, effeminate pusses that will do the AntiChrist’s bidding without question, in bentover fashion, of course.


4 posted on 12/01/2013 8:10:01 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Absolutely Nobama; Thunder90; 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; ...

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5 posted on 12/01/2013 8:11:22 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I tend to agree that some contact sports need to be toned down for youngsters. I have seen cases where parents started amping their kids up at early ages to “build an edge” Know of one case where the parents, then the high school coaches fried a young man’s brains on “enhancement” drugs (”special mixtures” heavy on the speed). Instead of likely becoming a college star (he was talented enough that he probably would have gone far without the drugs) and possibly moving to the NFL, the kid was so toasted at 20 years of age that he was unemployable and a bit nuts to boot. He would ride his bike to local watering holes where locals who knew his story would talk him up and foot the bill for a few beers, then give him rides home. Never saw him drunk, and the stuff lurking behind his eyes was enough to break your heart.


6 posted on 12/01/2013 8:13:43 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is a stupid article. There will ALWAYS be enough young, tough men to play the game. This is an exercise in culling the herd early, to prevent injury to kids who would normally have no business playing football anyways.


7 posted on 12/01/2013 8:13:54 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The wussification factor is ramping up ... not only football but hockey as well.
8 posted on 12/01/2013 8:15:54 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: ronnie raygun
If parents decide that their kids shouldn't be allowed to play football, that's their personal decision and I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with is New York State Assemblyman Michael Benedetto who drafted legislation to ban youth football period:

NY would ban tackle football for children younger than 14 under Bronx assemblyman's bill

Although he sounds like he's well intentioned, Assemblyman Benedetto is misguided in his effort to ban youth football. Not every kid is into soccer and there's boys and girls (yes, we had a few girls that played and were contributers!) that are rough and tumble kinds of kids that really enjoy playing football and it's family friendly with parental involvement in coaching, spotting (insuring that every player gets to play a minimum number of plays), chain crew, concessions, fund raising and as board members. It's all for the benefit of the kids who are playing football and cheerleading. While I appreciate Assemblyman Benedetto's concern, he's sticking his nose into something that's none of his business! The decision to play youth football is up to the parent and their children, not some politician in Albany. This reeks of nanny statism and I hope that Benedetto's bill dies a quick death.

9 posted on 12/01/2013 8:16:01 AM PST by rochester_veteran (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
i'd say it's the parents, NOT the kids, making the decision...
10 posted on 12/01/2013 8:17:03 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No high hits, no hard hits, no kickoff, no cussing, no bullying and LOTS of gay players.

We need eye-rolling in the huddle and butt-slaps with a thoughtful linger. The cheerleaders will be safe and the players will carry their newly bought shoes home for them.

And no one will watch.


11 posted on 12/01/2013 8:17:46 AM PST by gaijin
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To: jsanders2001
Instead of beating their chests, fans of football should take a long look at the concussion problem, and find a way to solve it.

Otherwise, their prophecy that we are becoming a nation of wusses will be self-fulfilling.

12 posted on 12/01/2013 8:19:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: MinorityRepublican

bull, kids these days are fleeing football because they are all a bunch of pansy metrosexuals that can’t cut a real mans game.


13 posted on 12/01/2013 8:20:56 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: fso301

“Raising a generation of wimps.”

Maybe, but my now deceased father-in-law suffered his whole life from a back injury he suffered playing college football. All these contact sports are fine if it’s really what the kid wants, but all too often, its “daddy” who is looking to “live vicariously” through his kid that drives youngsters to “make daddy proud” of him or her. Funny thing is, when a child is injured, daddy isn’t hurt at all physically.
He can still “live vicariously” sitting in front of his TV farting and drinking beer watching a bunch of overpaid minorities kick the $hit out of each other. Rah, rah!


14 posted on 12/01/2013 8:21:16 AM PST by vette6387
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To: 1rudeboy
Instead of beating their chests, fans of football should take a long look at the concussion problem, and find a way to solve it.

Yep. Perhaps change the rules some. Maybe go back to leather helmets?

15 posted on 12/01/2013 8:21:58 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: 1rudeboy
Instead of beating their chests, fans of football should take a long look at the concussion problem, and find a way to solve it.

Nope. Just pretend like it doesn't exist. That'll show 'em.

16 posted on 12/01/2013 8:22:30 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: trebb

Just have them play flag football.


17 posted on 12/01/2013 8:22:40 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: 1rudeboy

easy solution to the concussion problem. Get rid of helmets.

No helmets. No idiots ramming people with their head.


18 posted on 12/01/2013 8:23:34 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
My son played soccer all through grade school, and since the high school program ran at the same time as football, he had to make a decision. My daughter's boyfriend was on the high school football team, and made one key point; if you play high school soccer, your mom will come watch the game. If you play high school football, all the girls will come watch.

As the comic book store gift advisor said on "Big Bang Theory", "What's the perfect gift for a 13-year-old boy? A 13-year-old girl."

19 posted on 12/01/2013 8:23:37 AM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: vette6387

My father, who played football through his military academy days and into his time in the Marine Corp suffered back pain forever, and had a complete set of false front teeth early one. I don’t think he would have traded it, but...

My nephew in 10th grade suffered a head injury playing football which put him out of school for a year.

There are a lot of instances of wussification, but I don’t know what to say about that.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 8:26:14 AM PST by stanne
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To: fso301

Yup! They’ll all be getting scholarships to become metrosexual ESPN sports reporters. Of course, by then, they’ll have nothing to report. I guess they could go with “virtual” computer generated games. The robots can sit on the couch drinking “virtual” beer while they watch the “games”.


21 posted on 12/01/2013 8:27:05 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my health insurance policy?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A boon for soccer moms until the “We know what’s best for you crowd” starts in on head injuries from ‘heading’ the ball. There is nothing that the libs will not try to control. After all, they learn everything there is to know from their discussions in the teachers lounge. Clymers all!


22 posted on 12/01/2013 8:27:36 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: vette6387
Well said! As long as somebody else's kids pay the price with bone and brain injuries, everybody is content. Guess what: my kids aren't going to sacrifice their futures for anybody else's jollies.

I love hearing some of the respondent's opinions of manhood while most of them have carefully avoiding risk to themselves.

23 posted on 12/01/2013 8:27:36 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I'm actually happy to see declining participation in Pop Warner football.

I don't have a problem with youth sports, but I emphasize the word youth here. My biggest pet peeve about these sports leagues is the involvement of adults. I would never allow a child to play organized sports until he or she is in high school (at the earliest).

If kids want to play football, they can do it the way we did and go out in the grass themselves. Nothing does more to raise a generation of wimps than to etch in a child's mind the idea that they can't do any of these things unless they're being supervised by adults.

24 posted on 12/01/2013 8:27:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: MinorityRepublican
Personally, I think football should be restricted for ADULTS. It's aiding and abetting their abject retardation.

I went in the grocery store last Sunday. 90% of the adults were wearing football jerseys in some weird tribalist tradition.

I am standing by the cheese aisle trying to get past a 40ish husband and wife in matching Pittsburgh Steeler jerseys when a friend of theirs walks up in his Denver Broncos Jersey. After the initial greetings I hear Broncos say, "Did you guys win today?"

My head was ready to explode.

25 posted on 12/01/2013 8:29:38 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: vette6387
Good post. See Post #24 for my take on this.

Having played and coached youth sports in the past, I can say with some credibility that Pop Warner football, Little League baseball, etc. are doing a lot more harm than good. The exposure to physical injuries is only a very small part of the problem.

26 posted on 12/01/2013 8:30:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Perdogg
In the words of Jim Harbaugh: "If Obama doesn't want his child to play football, that's less competition for my son."

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/28/49ers-jim-harbaugh-glad-obamas-mythical-son-wouldnt-play-football-libs-attack/

27 posted on 12/01/2013 8:32:03 AM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: MinorityRepublican
Old timers love to grouse about how "back in their day", football was so much tougher than it is today.

I disagree. The game today is much faster and the players are a lot bigger. This translates into harder hits.

Go ahead and look at clips on YouTube of football games played back in the 1950s and 1960s. The players were basically crew-cut men who were mostly under 6 feet and 180 pounds. Yes, they were tough and strong but nothing like the 270+ pound behemoths that we have out on the field today (that can run 40 yards in 4.4 seconds). Also, the "hits" were much cleaner in those days. You didn't have gorillas slamming people to the ground and then getting up and pounding their chests for the cameras.

I've been watching NFL football for close to 40 years and I'm telling you the game has changed. The game used to be much more sportsmanlike and gentlemanly. Now you have a large number of trash-talking gangsters who either have or will do a stretch in prison.

28 posted on 12/01/2013 8:32:09 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Perdogg; big'ol_freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; RockinRight; ...
Re: Kids flee football in light of NFL violence, Pop Warner participation plummeting

How long before Obama issues an Executive Order mandating... T-Football as the only football allowed in the USA?

29 posted on 12/01/2013 8:32:33 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Chainmail

There is certainly no shortage of armchair tough guys around here.


30 posted on 12/01/2013 8:33:36 AM PST by southern rock
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To: vette6387

Years ago I had two sons who were into little league baseball. At one of my elder son’s games I was sitting in the bleachers when it was announced an umpire was needed. The crowd looked at me and I took the task. It wasn’t long into the game when I started getting remarks from the crowd/parents. One lady got especially nasty in her remarks. After one remark I took off the mask ,put it on home plate, and just walked away. After that I didn’t do much to keep my sons interested in little league though I believe the older son had a real talent for baseball.


31 posted on 12/01/2013 8:35:31 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: MinorityRepublican

You see it every game in the NFL. Players with absolutely no tackling fundamentals at all. All they know how to do is ram someone or use their head as a projectile.

You continually see multiple players on defense miss tackles that could have easily been made with proper training.

Instead, the goal is to see who can spear or ram someone the hardest causing a concussion in 9 out of 10 instances.


32 posted on 12/01/2013 8:35:56 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SamAdams76

The solution, as author Malcolm Gladwell (love him or not!) has suggested, may be to impose height and weight limits on tackle football players even at the NFL level. What will happen when players can’t weigh more than 245 pounds and be taller than 6 feet 4 inches tall?


33 posted on 12/01/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: noinfringers2
They ALL think their little Jr. is gong to get a 30 million dollar contract and take care of them.

I had my boy coding Arduino when he was 9. We got him the Raspberry Pi for Christmas. Skills he can take anywhere.

34 posted on 12/01/2013 8:39:40 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: vette6387

You sum up the sports wacko dad pretty well.

Another thing about types like that are the guys who call in to the local sports dribble show that I make it a point to change the channel when it comes on that seem to almost worship high school kid football players.

It is sad and kind of scary how these older guys can drone on and on about some HS junior at a school that most people have never heard of.


35 posted on 12/01/2013 8:42:49 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Mass signup in dance school for boys is seen in the near future

and wanting to star in Glee.

36 posted on 12/01/2013 8:44:58 AM PST by llevrok (Obama 2008 : "If you vote for me, aaaaaa, you can keep your country")
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To: riri

I am amused and saddened a bit by the middle aged and really obese guys in jersies going bonkers watching a game on TV.


37 posted on 12/01/2013 8:46:52 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Safety guru turns to football helmets
http://www.plasticsnews.com/article/20130926/NEWS/130929935/safety-guru-turns-to-football-helmets#

Inflatable padding

According to Andrew Tucker, football helmets adequately protected players from catastrophic brain injuries, but helmet manufacturers had no motivation to design helmets that decrease the risk of concussions. Vin Ferrara[citation needed], a former Harvard quarterback, accidentally discovered a new way to cushion football helmets. One night, Ferrara was looking for an aspirin when he saw a squirt bottle in his medicine cabinet. As he pumped it and then punched it, he realized that the bottle withstood the blows of different forces. Ferrara immediately came up with the idea to encase football helmets with a number of inflatable pockets in order to cushion the blows a football player receives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_helmet


38 posted on 12/01/2013 8:47:55 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: SamAdams76

I can’t stand sports for the most, especially the modern made for TV format.

But I remember as a kid in the 70s, pro sports having some good merits. Starting in the mid 80s, I saw changes and I lost all interest.


39 posted on 12/01/2013 8:50:48 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
So...since people get hurt playing football, parents shouldn't allow their kids to play it. Well let's see...farming is the most dangerous job in America, so I guess parents shouldn't allow their kids to be farmers, too? How about commercial fishing? That's dangerous, so I guess parents shouldn't allow their kids to become commercial fishermen as well. Oh my gosh, we won't even get into how dangerous a military career would be...

This is absolutely ridiculous. Dammit, life is dangerous! How the hell is this generation of teacup kids supposed to ever function as adults, in a world that's out to kill them?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

40 posted on 12/01/2013 8:57:14 AM PST by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: riri

That’s a cool tech present. I’m sure he’ll enjoy it.


41 posted on 12/01/2013 8:58:29 AM PST by EEGator
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To: SamAdams76

“The game used to be much more sportsmanlike and gentlemanly. Now you have a large number of trash-talking gangsters who either have or will do a stretch in prison.”

It’s a sport where the vast majority of fans don’t really care about the fruity gyrating celebration dances and self-congratulatory chest pounding after a 300+ dude falls on a loose ball. But what is worse, at least in my opinion, is that the other players at least give the appearance of tolerating that type of garbage, because there’s no way to have any self policing or retaliation for acting like a jerk with todays million camera angles and modern officiating and penalties. So the jerks have free reign in football.

As far as super fast 300+ pound behemoths that recover from injury super fast, train super hard and speedily recover week after week of the NFL, just look to rampant and untested HGH usage. Another thing that no one really cares about when it comes to football.

FReegards


42 posted on 12/01/2013 8:59:23 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: llevrok
"...and wanting to star in Glee."

Just like that model of the perfect Obammunist soldier, Bradley Manning. I bet the Chicoms and the Russians are just pi**ing their pants in fear over the possibility of facing divisions of Manning clones.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

43 posted on 12/01/2013 9:00:26 AM PST by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I do agree that the basic fundamentals of the game are lacking and have been for the last decade or so. I don’t agree that keeping kids from tackling is going to fix it.
There are some good programs being put in place. Pop Warner coaches must be “Heads up” tackling certified now. I’ve noticed that many HS coaches in my area are stressing hit and wrap up techniques. I think the days of blasting the ball carrier as hard as you can without wrapping up are over. I blame ESPN for much of this. They started highlighting big hits in the mid 90’s to the point that it became a detriment to the game.


44 posted on 12/01/2013 9:01:10 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Back in the day” we would play sandlot *everything* (well, almost — that would be tough on the skates ;). Find an open field, self-organize w/o adult interference, everyone played...

Now with the lack of available space, more things for kids to do & the nanny state ready to pounce if Johnny gets so much as a scratch, sadly those times are probably gone.


45 posted on 12/01/2013 9:05:47 AM PST by mikrofon (Sports BUMP)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I don’t mind some hard hits if the kids are learning something valuable. Here’s some of the things I learned. The sponsor’s kid plays. The coach’s kid plays. Bobby only has one more year of football left, so they’ll play him (union seniority). Steve might get a scholarship and scholarships make the coach look good so we’ll get the ball to Steve regardless of the rest of the team. The coach’s job is to make the other team’s kids look bad so his kids will be on the high school team so maybe he can be an assistant high school coach.
Football is a physical sport. There needs to be a significant Return On Investment to put a kid into it. Take a good, hard look at the coaches. Are they teaching your kid life lessons or do they have another motive for coaching? My friend’s older brother, Tommy, was killed in football practice. That took the shine off of the game for me. Make sure there’s a good Return On Investment for your kid by playing football and not that he’s just a warm-blooded tackling dummy.


46 posted on 12/01/2013 9:07:01 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Exactly what Rush predicted. The libs and media are destroying a great game.


47 posted on 12/01/2013 9:07:05 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: wku man
If you think putting kids are going to be prepared to function as adults by putting them out on a field to play a competitive sport, surrounded by adult spectators and adult officials, than you're wrong.

Ironically, this sort of nonsense invariably trains our adults to function as kids.

48 posted on 12/01/2013 9:07:23 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: headstamp 2

you must be watching the Steelers play.


49 posted on 12/01/2013 9:07:31 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: mikrofon
My rule of thumb is that if a parent has enough time to watch his child play a game of football or baseball, then the games aren't nearly long enough and the kids aren't getting enough exposure to the sport.

Ken Dryden, the legendary goaltender for the Montreal Canadiens back in the 1970s, had some remarkable insight about this in his book The Game (side note: this is probably the best sports book I've ever read, and I'd recommend it even to those who are not hockey fans). He attributed a long-term decline in skills among top hockey players in that era to the growth of organized sports among children. I'll paraphrase one particularly astute observation:

"When a child plays on an organized team, he's probably on the ice for no more than 15 minutes of a 45-minute game. And that 15 minutes he plays in a game is several hours he doesn't play on a pond or in a backyard."

50 posted on 12/01/2013 9:14:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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