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Howard Dean: Employers Have No Right to Make Health Decisions, But Gov't Does
CNSNews.com ^ | December 2, 2013 | Susan Jones

Posted on 12/02/2013 5:13:21 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

(CNSNews.com) - Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, a liberal Democrat, says decisions about health care should rest with the federal government, not with individual employers who pay for their workers' health insurance.

"So, you know, this is one country," Dean told CNN's "State of the Union" with Candy Crowley on Sunday. "We all have to live by a set of things that are passed in Washington and agreed to by the court. We'll see what the court does, but I don't think a particular employer has a right to decide what kind of health care their employees are going to get. That's now in the hands of the federal government, and that's where it should be."

Dean was talking about the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to hear Hobby Lobby's challenge to the Affordable Care Act's birth control-abortion-sterilization mandate. The store's owners are devout Catholics who argue that the government cannot compel them to violate their deeply held religious beliefs.

Dean, a liberal Democrat, said he has "no idea" how the U.S. Supreme Court will rule: "They haven't been entirely favorable to women's ability to control their own reproductive lives. So I -- but I don't have any idea," Dean said.

"My view of that is we're a single country, and I don't think employers get to impose their religious beliefs on their employees or any other beliefs, for that matter. I mean, this idea that we can pick and choose what we're going to do is a tough idea. I was deeply opposed to the Vietnam War and I thought it was immoral because we were being lied to by our own government. I still paid my taxes and the people who didn't pay their taxes went to jail."

Former Sen. Rick Santorum, who appeared with Dean, said the federal government should not be making moral decisions for American citizens.

"I mean, the idea that the First Amendment stops after you walk out of a church, that it doesn't have anything to do with how you live the rest of your life, I don't know very many people of faith who believes that their religion ends with just worship. It ends in how you practice and live that faith.

"And now...what President Obama's saying, no, once you step outside that church door, then I get to impose my values on you. Your religious values don't matter anymore, it's my values that I can impose on you. I don't think that's what the First Amendment stands for and I don't think that's what the court will say."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; abortion; cnn; contraception; hobbylobby; howarddean; nannystate; obamacare; religion; ricksantorum; supremecourt
YEAAARRRRRGHHH!!!!!!
1 posted on 12/02/2013 5:13:21 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; altura; ...

Nanny State PING!

2 posted on 12/02/2013 5:14:01 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So much for keeping legislators out of vaginas, etc.


3 posted on 12/02/2013 5:15:51 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Howard Dean is a friggin’ idiot.


4 posted on 12/02/2013 5:15:53 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Howard Dean: Employers Individuals Have No Right to Make Health Decisions, But Gov't Does
5 posted on 12/02/2013 5:15:54 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rockinqsranch

I am ready to be in a separate nation, under God.


6 posted on 12/02/2013 5:16:28 PM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"So, you know, this is one country," Dean told CNN

"My view of that is we're a single country ..."

The fellow doth protest too much. On some subconscious level, he knows that Obama is ripping the country apart and making a civil war likely.

7 posted on 12/02/2013 5:16:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I can’t stand him.


8 posted on 12/02/2013 5:17:09 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We all have to live by a set of things that are passed in Washington and agreed to by the court"

Some of us would like to limit those requirments as much as possible while still maintaining a civilized society.
9 posted on 12/02/2013 5:17:37 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If I don’t like my employers health plan, I can (and have) change employers. That fact seems lost on the libs.

Of course, it’s all BS. They want control and use arguments like this to get people to cede that control to them. Rest assured, if their words never worked, they’d be all for taking that control by force.


10 posted on 12/02/2013 5:18:10 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Howie is a one man freak show. It’s starting to appear as though he’s pimping himself to be Mrs. Slick Willie’s VP. Good luck to him but he better be careful around her test tickle lock box.


11 posted on 12/02/2013 5:19:09 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If you think signing up for ObamaCare was fun, wait until you try to use it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

At their core, Democrats are fascists.


12 posted on 12/02/2013 5:20:20 PM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sheer constitutional illiteracy!!!!


13 posted on 12/02/2013 5:21:21 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Howard would have fit in with the Regime at Dachau, ya think?


14 posted on 12/02/2013 5:22:04 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

55 million women killed their babies by their own choice due to scotus and dean thinks scotus hasn’t been good for their reproductive rights.

is dean now pro-life? roe v wade / scotus didn’t do women any favors. sarc


15 posted on 12/02/2013 5:23:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: shankbear

I am ready, too.


16 posted on 12/02/2013 5:24:22 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well, you are flipping wrong.


17 posted on 12/02/2013 5:30:21 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"So, you know, this is one country," Dean told CNN's "State of the Union" with Candy Crowley on Sunday. "We all have to live by a set of things that are passed in Washington and agreed to by the court.

Didn't someone just post a satire article a couple of days ago that said basically the same thing?

18 posted on 12/02/2013 5:30:29 PM PST by oldbrowser ("From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" .....Marx)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Dean is such a mental midget. No telling how many Vermonters
are alive today because he abandoned medicine for politics.
19 posted on 12/02/2013 5:31:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Can’t we just euthanize him before he gets anyone else hurt?


20 posted on 12/02/2013 5:34:20 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, a liberal Democrat, says decisions about health care should rest with the federal government, not with individual employers who pay for their workers' health insurance."
No. Health care should be between doctor and patient.
Here is the long buried thing the might be raised: When FDR put caps on salaries, employers started putting perks outside of salaries to attract good employees--health insurance was one of them.
So, in sum, one Democrat limits the salaries of employees, and another picks up the mantle to take another perk away.
Chew on that, libs...
21 posted on 12/02/2013 5:37:54 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: shankbear

I am more than ready. I really can’t stand living like this. I don’t think I’ll survive three more years.


22 posted on 12/02/2013 5:41:45 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: shankbear

Ditto. And we get the Constitution. The Dems aren’t using it anyway.


23 posted on 12/02/2013 5:48:22 PM PST by originalbuckeye (The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Can’t we just euthanize him before he gets anyone else hurt?

Well, yes!

We are one country after all, and if the majority speaks, he shouldn't have a problem with it.

24 posted on 12/02/2013 5:54:50 PM PST by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Dean, you have the right to f*** off.

That is all.


25 posted on 12/02/2013 5:56:53 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: shankbear

Amen.

I wish we’d just get it over with. You know as well as I do where these tyrannical usurpations will eventually lead us.

I say we just go ahead and divide up the nation as peacefully as possible now; because the alternative will be horrifically bloody.


26 posted on 12/02/2013 5:56:59 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
We'll see what the court does, but I don't think a particular employer has a right to decide what kind of health care their employees are going to get.

Does this braying jackass really not understand that this is not about "what kind of health care" someone's employees are going to get, but what are the characteristics and dimensions of the insurance benefits to be provided to employees by an employer. Not the same thing. Not at all.

27 posted on 12/02/2013 6:06:21 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All
Dr. Dean is partly right about "government" power to make health decisions for citizens. More specifically, the Founding States made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constitution's silence about things like public healthcare means that government power to make such decisions is automatically reserved uniquely to the states, not the federal government.

That being said, Dr. Dean, evidently a low-information voter, is unsurprisingly clueless to the reality that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for public healthcare purposes. But if Mr. Dean wises up to the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, he will understand that he needs to do the following if he wants a constitutionally compliant national healthcare program.

He needs to work with his federal and state lawmakers to propose a healthcare amendment to the Constitution to the states for ratification. And if the states chose to ratify the amendment, then the USA would have a constitutionally compliant national healthcare program and Dr. Dean would be a hero.

28 posted on 12/02/2013 6:07:37 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

the preamble to employer provided healthcare getting dropped next year..knock employer provided healthcare from now until it gets dropped. All democrats will no doubt be singing the same tune on every freakin’ show they appear on.


29 posted on 12/02/2013 6:13:43 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: seowulf

Let’s take a poll... We’ll sample heavily from Districts that watch Duck Dynasty or have Ted Nugent “liked” on their Facebook accounts.

That’s at least as fair as them sampling downtown New Yorkers right?


30 posted on 12/02/2013 6:14:00 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

you and me both..be lucky to survive the next 3 months...


31 posted on 12/02/2013 6:14:40 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Hey Howie!

Health Insurance is a “benefit” employers CHOOSE to offer employees.

It is NOT a “Right”!

It is NOT a commodity the government has the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to DEMAND employers provide.

Neither are the details or the nature of the coverage, the purview of the government.


32 posted on 12/02/2013 6:18:35 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Is he still rocking the grecian formula?
33 posted on 12/02/2013 6:21:57 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If an employee doesn’t like the healthcare offered by his/her employer they have two options, 1) Waive insurance coverage and get your own or 2) go to work at a place that offers a plan you like.


34 posted on 12/02/2013 6:24:56 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: clee1

It’s either that...or Syrian Style.


35 posted on 12/02/2013 6:32:53 PM PST by gatorhead
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When Dean criticized the IPAB (and validated Governor Palin’s point about “Death Panels”), I was hoping he’d come around and maybe go after Obamacare from the left.


36 posted on 12/02/2013 6:34:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
How long before someone, anyone, on the right side (if there is one) calls these pimps COMMUNISTS? It is what they are. Why the silence?

Because there is only one party now.

FMCDH(BITS)

37 posted on 12/02/2013 7:09:23 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 12/02/2013 8:00:59 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.


39 posted on 12/02/2013 8:37:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Typical leftist.


40 posted on 12/03/2013 2:25:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
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