Skip to comments.Kiev: Government Buildings Under Siege
Posted on 12/02/2013 10:36:41 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Thousands of demonstrators besieged government buildings in Kiev Tuesday, rallying against President Viktor Yanukovich's decision to abandon a long-awaited deal for closer ties with the EU.
A group of protesters tried to storm Yanukovich's office and police chased protesters away with tear-gas and truncheons, injuring dozens. The blockade is severely disrupting the process of government here," said a reporter for Al Jazeera in Kiev. "Essentially, President Yanukovich has lost control of the center of Kiev." The Guardian reported that police had deserted the center of the city, while thousands of people blocked entrances to government buildings and gathered again on Independence Square.
At least three politicians from the governing Party of Regions have quit in protest and one of them, Inna Bohoslovska, previously a vocal government supporter, called on other legislators to leave the party. A top Agriculture Ministry official also resigned on Monday.
The opposition hopes to topple the cabinet of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov during a confidence vote in parliament on Tuesday. It would need 226 votes in the 450-seat Rada, but presently controls about 170 seats.
Yanukovych reached out to the European Union on Monday requesting new talks, but the EU told him that the sweeping trade deal he refused to sign last week after six years of talks wasn't open for renegotiationand warned him against using force to disperse the crowds in Kiev's main square.
Video of police brutality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEC4ccWXuBE#t=50
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The protesters want to give up national sovereignty and be ruled by Brussels
Quite possibly a Ukranian spring. They play for keeps over there. I can’t remember his name but one of their candidates for President was poisoned some years back.
What do you bet that they're wannabe bureaucrats?
Toward Europe and away from Putin’s yoke.
They would just be changing yokes.
Is Putin’s yoke any less onerous than Brussels?
But it’s a matter of degrees for the respective yokes. Anyway you slice it, however, their goose is cooked.
Obvious Putin’s got this guy by the balls. Let’s see who squeezes harder: Putin or the Ukranians.
The Ukraine is in a Polish type position between two powers. They can have a beneficial trade agreement with the EU without being part of the EU. But they have indeed caved on internal issues like the death penalty just to please the West.
The problem is that the top opposition leader is in prison from trumped-up charges (Yulia Timoshenko) while the Prez deserves to be in prison (Victor Yanukovich) for genuine corruption. Long ago he was in prison for rape and theft.
His name is Victor Yushchenko and he was not poisoned by Ukrainians but by Russians. He is still a player today but permanently disfigured.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin is behind these “protests.”
The protesters are screaming for Ukraine to follow the EU. Putin wants exactly the opposite. That would be like finding out Ted Cruz was the secret sponsor of the occupy protests.
Well, Putin’s positively Machiavellian— and IMO a crueler master/less desirable than the soft tyranny of a meddlesome European bureaucracy— and lately feeling his oats that his only foil has receded from the world stage.
Whaddaya wanna bet that a certain wrinkly old FOREX trader seeds the “community organizers” over there with money?...
It’s time for the age old question - Who does the army back?
We should learn a lesson from them peoples.
Yup. Easy money if anyone takes that bet.
The hits Kiev coming, and Ukraine go back again.
YAY! LET’S JOIN A FAILING ECONOMIC UNION!
Yes, only they need to get a proper term to express “Freedom”, like;
European to us implies Socialism, they must mean an American Future, well before Democrats ruined our future with European Socialism at best...
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That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Different yokes for different folks.
When Russia invaded Georgia Bush sent warships into the Baltic and launched a resupply airlift. Had Putin responded militarily he could have set off a war with NATO that could have escalated into a nuclear exchange. Since that time the Russian strategy to retake the wayward republics has been limited to economic and political subversion. But if these protests spiral Putin may feel the only alternative is force.
Yushenko. Yes the Russians had something to do with that. Yanukovit h is a convicted criminal and a Russian toady. He is not respected by the people and does not even speak Ukrainian well He also refuses to let Yulia Timoshenko out of jail for pitical reasons. Ukraine is growing and changing
This is going to get very interesting
The heavily populous and Russian-speaking East is not participating in the protests.
We’re not seeing a revolution - and a revolution that wants to subjugate Ukrainian independence to Brussels is no revolution at all.
Ukrainian or Russian? Sounds a lot like solidarity era Poland. Hours away from “Soviet” armed salvation. Pray.
If you decide to stand up to Brussels, they aren’t going to be sending in tanks to put down the “uprising.”
LOL, Russia or Brussels, take your pick.
Analogy: Ted Cruz is elected President and Republicans take control of Congress in 2016. In 2108, hundreds of thousands of Rat parasites surround federal buildings in Washington, D.C. and demand Cruz’s resignation.
Division of Ukraine is also a possibility.
It was the current guy’s opponent. Some say the current president was behind it.
No one to stop him now unless they are muslims and need support or protection.
No, that’s not a good analogy. There is no “Ted Cruz” factor at all. You certainly would never compare Yanukovich, a corrupt criminal, to Ted Cruz.
It’s more like Obama is elected president and decides to cozy up to Russia, and several years later a bunch of his opponents storm DC , wanting us to be aligned with the EU.
Neither option would be very good. Both would give up national sovereignty. I guess they don’t feel strong enough to stand on their own. They are very dependent on Russian oil/gas.
There is also a split between eastern and western Ukraine, with the west side wanting to be more “European” and the eastern regions feeling closer bonds to Russia (culturally, politically, etc.).
Yanukovich was freely elected last time. Mob action deposing elected officials is not “democracy”. I smell Soros and the Eurofascists trying to take over.
It’s either closer ties with Brussels, or being tied to their old boss Russia. Brussels is full of micro-managing bureaucrats, sure. But they’re less likely to move in and take over and kill a lot of people in the process.
closer ties to Brussels sounds nice.... giving up all your sovereignty to the EUSSR’s politburo is nuts
A heavy yoke instead of an unbearable yoke.
Good point. But the alternative is, let’s lock our selves in a cage with a bear and let him eat us.
Ever since Bogdan Chmelnicki’s marauding cossacks destroyed the consolidated Polish/Lithuanian state, everyone in Eastern Europe has been subjugated to Russia, the only other big fish in the tank. Poland is now independent, as is Lithuania and the rest of the Baltic states. I can sympathize with the Ukrain’s desire to remain so as well. But there still is one big fish in the tank. EU has its faults, but it’s outside the tank. When you’re a little fish, the guy outside with the net and the little bowl of water might be preferable to the big fish.
Greatest tragedy in European history was the fall of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
And one of the most blatant acts of territorial greed.
Yanukovich is learning the price of “friendship” with Neo-Soviet Russia. KGB Putin does not strengthen those who ally with him, he only undermines their authority and leads them into isolation.
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