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Guardian: We have published 1 pct of Snowden leak
whlt.com ^ | 12/03/13

Posted on 12/03/2013 8:04:04 AM PST by oxcart

Edited on 12/03/2013 1:16:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

LONDON (AP) - The editor of The Guardian says his newspaper has published just 1 percent of the material it received from former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Alan Rusbridger is being questioned Monday by Parliament's home affairs committee as part of a session on counter-terrorism.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: leak; nsa; snowden
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1 posted on 12/03/2013 8:04:04 AM PST by oxcart
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To: oxcart

In the end, I believe the revelations divulged from this release will prove to Americans that its government is actively against them in a substantive manner.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 8:07:13 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: oxcart

bttt


3 posted on 12/03/2013 8:10:46 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Gaffer

What ticks me is that the Dems were constantly beating the Repubs to death on this surveillance. No comparison. The Dems are data mining your assets. That’s what Obamacare is really all about. They could care less if you live or die...it’s all about...as usual...money. At least Bush was doing it for Security purposes and I believe ALWAYS in good faith.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 8:12:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Gaffer

How is it that your champions anti-American Marxists?


5 posted on 12/03/2013 8:13:11 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: oxcart
If Snowden's files were in Russia when he sought sanctuary, wouldn't it be realistic to think that Putin already has ALL the leaks? Probably China, too.

If Russia and China have the information why don't WE, the taxpayers who paid for all of it?

6 posted on 12/03/2013 8:13:44 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: ifinnegan
How is it that your champions anti-American Marxists?

Could you rephrase your question so that it is comprehensible?

7 posted on 12/03/2013 8:14:58 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: ifinnegan

How is it that you cannot see what he has thus far divulged has concretely shown our government is working against our privacy?

I really don’t care what you think.


8 posted on 12/03/2013 8:21:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Maceman

If it’s incomprehensible to you I would suggest ignorance and naiveté on your part. Or perhaps just disingenuousness.

Snowden is a traitor, not a patriot, who in no way acted in the interests of the US or it’s citizens.

The Guardian is an anti-American, pro-communist, pro-socialist organization which has for decades actively worked against the American way of life and ideals of freedom America represents.

Yet people posting here see such as champions who are somehow saving them from evil forces.


9 posted on 12/03/2013 8:28:15 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Gaffer

I d are that you spread this leftist word view.


10 posted on 12/03/2013 8:31:09 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

He is a traitor pure ad simple.

I do not understand why anyone supports him.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 8:32:25 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Sacajaweau

“At least Bush was doing it for Security purposes and I believe ALWAYS in good faith.”

The NSA has been running these kinds programs going back to at least the Clinton administration without interruption. Bush didn’t do anything to rein them in, so he either approved of them or couldn’t be bothered to pay attention.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 8:34:32 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: ifinnegan

??? You have no idea what you are talking about.


13 posted on 12/03/2013 8:36:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ifinnegan

If Snowden is a traitor, then the bureaucrats he betrayed are a hundred times as traitorous as him. Why are you defending them by trying to make the issue about Snowden, the bit player on the stage?


14 posted on 12/03/2013 8:38:16 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Maceman

He means. “How can you champion these anti-American Marxist views.” I don’t mind the language problem. I do mind, however, the implication that an American cannot be interested and upset that HIS/HER government is violating the US Constitution.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 8:38:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Good, well articulated response.

The Guardian is leftist to the core.

Snowden has given secrets to People’s Republic of China and former USSR.

The Guardian and Snowden in no way acted or are acting in the interests of liberty.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 8:43:57 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Boogieman

Separate issue, but your premise is off.

I think you are saying the bureaucrats are seditious.


17 posted on 12/03/2013 8:46:26 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Gaffer

To be clear,

I do care that you spread the leftist worldview.


18 posted on 12/03/2013 8:47:46 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
If it’s incomprehensible to you I would suggest ignorance and naiveté on your part. Or perhaps just disingenuousness.

All the words you used look like English, but what exactly were you attempting to communicate with the phrase "How is it that your champions anti-American Marxists?"?

I can't quite seem to parse it into a meaningful thought.

19 posted on 12/03/2013 8:47:51 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: ifinnegan
I d are that you spread this leftist word view.

Slow down. I think you have an idea of what you are trying to say, but your fingers are typing gibberish.

20 posted on 12/03/2013 8:49:49 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Gaffer
Most of the saga of Mr. Snowden has yet to be told. The use of illegally gathered intelligence by the Obama Administration and the British elite for blackmail and extortion of innocent people and political opponents may be the next volume in a 58,000+ file series.
TWB
21 posted on 12/03/2013 8:50:00 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: ifinnegan

Much better.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 8:51:11 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Gaffer

” I do mind, however, the implication that an American cannot be interested and upset that HIS/HER government is violating the US Constitution.”

This is specious and demagogic.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 8:51:11 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: null and void

It’s iPad and and auto-correct.


24 posted on 12/03/2013 8:52:18 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Boogieman

these are not the same programs as the present administration. that’s what snowden is all about.


25 posted on 12/03/2013 8:56:31 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ifinnegan


>>Snowden is a traitor, not a patriot, who in no way acted in the interests of the US or it’s citizens.<<

.
Snowden may not have been a patriot but he ratted on US agencies that are themselves unpatriotic and that DO NOT have the people’s personal interests in mind.


26 posted on 12/03/2013 8:56:52 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: ifinnegan
It’s iPad and and auto-correct.

Apple products are perfect. They can't make mistakes.

27 posted on 12/03/2013 8:59:14 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

matter=manner


29 posted on 12/03/2013 9:00:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Absolutely.

Snowden revealed the depths that the federal government has sunk to usurp the Constitution, specifically the Fourth Amendment.


30 posted on 12/03/2013 9:08:03 AM PST by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Gaffer

He’s been here a year. Troll maybe?


31 posted on 12/03/2013 9:10:56 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: oxcart

IMO Snowden is a gifted amateur.

If someone like him can glean all this secret data and get away with it then just imagine what trained operatives from China, Russia and the Mossad can get.

Snowden has a target painted on his ass because he had the audacity to let ordinary folks know how they were being abused by the government security agencies.

The NSA is now in a very bad spot... Snowden could fabricate data and there would be absolutely no way the NSA could discredit him.


32 posted on 12/03/2013 9:14:34 AM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: ifinnegan
How is it that your champions anti-American Marxists?

Once again in proper English, please.

33 posted on 12/03/2013 9:16:32 AM PST by pgkdan (Stay Calm and Cruz on! Ted Cruz for President in 2016!)
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To: ifinnegan
If it’s incomprehensible to you I would suggest ignorance and naiveté on your part. Or perhaps just disingenuousness.

No, it's just that I speak, read and write English, whereas you apparently speak, read and write some other language.

I asked the question because your garbled syntax made it impossible to determine what you were trying to say. I was simply seeking a clarification of the point that you were (unsuccessfully) attempting to communicate.

You didn't need to get snippy with me. It's not my fault that you don't know how to put together a clear sentence using standard English.

34 posted on 12/03/2013 9:16:56 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: goodwithagun

A troll or a nut, perhaps a trolling nut.


35 posted on 12/03/2013 9:17:54 AM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: Red in Blue PA

10 years, maybe even 5 years ago I would have called Snowden a traitor. However, I view him as a whistleblower. Our federal government is acting in any way but in the interests of the USA. There will probably be some collateral damage but it’s far more important for people to see how the government is working against the citizens, the Constitution and our true national interests.


36 posted on 12/03/2013 9:20:38 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: ifinnegan

“Snowden is a traitor, not a patriot, who in no way acted in the interests of the US or it’s citizens.”

That’s only your opinion, and that of the people in our “government” who have a vested interest in abuse of our citizens. We need less heat and more light. I don’t want our national security compromised, but when those who “protect” us, are using their “tools” against us, it’s time for a Snowden or two. One man’s traitor is another man’s patriot. I sure don’t put the folks at the NSA in the latter category.


37 posted on 12/03/2013 9:21:41 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Fresh Wind

Yes. Ultimately it is my lack of proof reading before hitting post.


38 posted on 12/03/2013 9:22:43 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Sacajaweau

>>At least Bush was doing it for Security purposes and I believe ALWAYS in good faith.<<

The Dims have exactly the same views about Obama.


39 posted on 12/03/2013 9:24:29 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Some of them are new, but some are going back at least that far. Carnivore, for example, is every bit as intrusive as the new technologies, just not as effective. It’s been in place since Clinton, and Bush did nothing to stop it.


40 posted on 12/03/2013 9:24:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Red in Blue PA

No.

It needs to be addressed within the US in the context of law and US security.

And it can be.

Snowden’s acts provided no pertinent information to further inform the American public, but did serve to strengthen enemies.


41 posted on 12/03/2013 9:26:49 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

The bureaucrats are NOT seditious. They are simply traitors to their oath of Office. Not a one fights to uphold the Constitution or protect our individual privacy. They encourage larger government with every vote.


42 posted on 12/03/2013 9:29:05 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: ifinnegan

“I think you are saying the bureaucrats are seditious.”

Well, traitorous I think is a better word. They were entrusted by the people to operate within the bounds of the law and Constitution, and they have betrayed our trust, knowingly and intentionally.


43 posted on 12/03/2013 9:31:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Maceman

No.

The original comment did not have any typos.

Sorry if I sounded snippy. I was to a large degree responding in kind I felt.

My initial comment responded to this comment:

“In the end, I believe the revelations divulged from this release will prove to Americans that its government is actively against them in a substantive manner.”

My initial comment pointed out the irony that Marxist anti-Americans are supposedly the champions for American freedom.

There could be a response to that. One can paraphrase the Bible and say what they meant for evil, God uses for good.

I am surprised that the response is to defend traitorous behavior and defend Marxists from England.


44 posted on 12/03/2013 9:32:28 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

“Snowden’s acts provided no pertinent information to further inform the American public...”

So the wholesale data mining and spying on the American public by our so-called servants is not pertinent? It is to me!


45 posted on 12/03/2013 9:36:39 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I think Snowden is traitorous because he gave this to other countries that are enemies of the US.

The bureaucrats did not.

Traitor means selling out to an enemy. Sedition means going against the laws and in the case of the US means going against the American people but does not involve any other country.


46 posted on 12/03/2013 9:36:40 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Boogieman

The wholesale data mining and spying and the capabilities of the US government was well known long before Snowden provided information on details to our enemies.

This has been known for years before Snowden.

He just sold details to China and Russia and by consequence Islamic terrorists to make it easier for them to avoid surveillance.


47 posted on 12/03/2013 9:39:25 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: vette6387

“One man’s traitor is another man’s patriot. I sure don’t put the folks at the NSA in the latter category.”

Where do you put the Chinese Communist Party?

If Snowden had been working in the interests of the US and her people he would have done this quite differently and not given the information to the Chinese Communists and former Soviets. Or the Guardian.


48 posted on 12/03/2013 9:43:59 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification.


49 posted on 12/03/2013 9:59:21 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: ifinnegan

“If Snowden had been working in the interests of the US and her people he would have done this quite differently and not given the information to the Chinese Communists and former Soviets. Or the Guardian.”

Wow, how do you know this? So you know for a fact that Snowden gave the Chi Comms all of his purloined files? It that’s true, you should be arranging to “testify” in front of the Congress on all of the stuff that “you know” about everything that Snowden has “done.”
And just how have you determined that Snowden hasn’t been working in the interests of the People of this country? What should he have done “differently?”
We all want to hear your solutions!


50 posted on 12/03/2013 10:10:40 AM PST by vette6387
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