Skip to comments.Man Moves Into Home While Family Is Away And Claims He Now Owns It
Posted on 12/03/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Red Badger
SPRINGDALE, Ohio (CBS Cleveland) Imagine going out of town to visit a dying relative only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house; and worse, that stranger now says he legally owns that house.
WLWT-TV reported that Robert Carr moved into a house, changed the locks, and emptied the house.
Carr says he is able to claim the property through something called a quiet title. He says the family abandoned the house and gave up their rights.
Carr wants to keep the home and not have to pay a penny.
What hes looking for is full title and ownership of the home, Alison Warner, the familys attorney, told WLWT. Hes in their home. They dont know when hes there. He can be there now.
The family has charged Carr with breaking and entering but he is even fighting that charge.
A quiet title action lawsuit brought in a court over property disputes. It is used to establish who legally owns a property.
The FBI has been informed about this case.
Theyll come together as groups to receive training, how to conduct some of these schemes from a financial standpoint, to understand what they consider the common law and how they can use that common law for their sovereign purposes, Special Agent in Charge Kevin Cornelius told WLWT. Im not familiar with any cases where its held up in court. I think that it holds up the process of the courts decision.
The family in this case has called this ordeal a nightmare.
Its really been hard, the homeowner told the station.
Unless the judge wants to have his home occupied (most judges have nice homes) they better give the fellow a summary order to quit, and turn him over to the local Sheriff for holding without bond.
Sovereign citizen stuff has to be snuffed quickly. They can smell weakness.
Has anyone notified the IRS about this man’s “income” in the form of the value of the house and contents? The IRS taxes large sums of money you find or even steal. His acquisition of the house would seem to fall into one of these categories so he should owe taxes.
the po-po would have new missing person on file.
I’m afraid if I were the homeowner, I would feel threatened. I would fear great bodily harm, and death.
This IRS would probably put a lien on the house, assuming it would hurt the occupier.
“Robert Carr moved into a house, changed the locks, and emptied the house.”
Bob, you need to leave my house - No, bang, bang two rounds center mass. Sorry Bob, wrong answer. Hello 911, I just shot an intruder in my home, please send the coroner.
This would not have been a very long conversation at my house. It would have ended quickly, abruptly, and loudly.
If I came home and found him there I’d just shoot his arse
Obviously (from the story), this guy is rolling the dice and looking for a lottery win. It’s coming down to the definition of “abandoned”, which apparently means “any moment the house is unoccupied” in his opportunistic mind.
There needs to be some immediate and painful consequences for this behavior.
I’d say a punch in the mouth would suffice, though.
I don’t get this.
If this happened to me, this man would cease to exist.
He would just disappear.
That's why you need eyes & ear protection......when shooting.
Homeowners return home - squatter ventilated
much of this is “sovereign citizen” anarchist garbage.
Adverse posession has to be continuous, public, and without opposition. The fact there is a civil AND criminal court case means there is no adverse claim.
Not only should he go to jail, but the group advizing him should be financially liable as well as any lawyers. PERSONALLY.
He should also be sanctioned by having to have all his filings required to be prescreened by a judge for further abuse of process.
Couldn’t you shoot this person and say you were scared for your life? He invaded your home. He was going to attack etc.
Any idea how long the owners had been gone?
Why leave him alive to put another family/homeowner through a similar nightmare. Make an example of him.
If I came home and found him there Id just shoot his CENTER OF MASS.....................
A previous article quoted an expert to the effect that adverse possession is the only authentic legal doctrine under which this could be done.
But to take title by adverse possession, in most states, the claimant must prove he has occupied the property continuously for something like 15 - 30 years (depending on the state).
“...only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house”
Déjà vu! I thought we went through this already in the “white” house. Some stranger living there, cant seem to get rid of him, and all.
It’s too bad our society has litigated out the “punch in the mouth” solution...
Now, about all you can do with someone like this is let him get away with it or kill him.
Ordinarily, that wouldn’t be a fatal shot. However, in Mr. Carr’s case you would also hit his head.
Ah...I see Robert Carr is of a dark skin race...that means he is entitled to it. Case closed
a double tap is what is required. the mistake is using a half measure, when a full measure is required.
Spray him with 3” #7 buckshot from a keltec bull pup and turn him into a sieve.
He’ll seek medical help, go to the hospital and while he is out you can change the locks, move back in.
I’d get five rottweilers from East LA on the property STAT and place two PHALANX Gatling guns on the roof.
One on the NE corner, the other on the SW corner.
Then install Fort Knox doors on the front and back door.
Place two Claymores wherever someone can enter(remember to fsce them outward).
Should be good to go after that.
same thing happended in DC in 2008?
Apparently he has done this multiple times before
This is nonsense the person is engaged in trespass and fraud. Quiet Title does not give you the right to take someone else home, this person is going to go to jail for a long time.
This could have all been solved a long time ago with a simple scream of panic followed by some ventilation.
how does it get to this point. go to police and say my home, heres stuff with my address on it, this guy broke in. why is there even a discussion?
at common law, an adverse possession claim has several technical requirements and requires 20 years possession to ripen into a new ownership
(i do not know if Ohio has modified the rule or not, some states have lessened the 20 years requirement for instance...)
So where are the cops throwing this thief in jail? Carr isn’t a renter. This isn’t just a civil case. He destroyed this families property and took their home.
They need a better lawyer cause this is still ongoing.
Prior to shooting him we'd have to have a little talk about where he took my possessions.
Say hello to my little friend......................
Entitlement. Notice something about the criminal? Have anything to do with a “gibs me dat” mentality? Have anything to do with an eeevvvviiiilllll ‘oppressor’ and an innocent ‘oppressed’ person walking in and taking what is ‘rightfully’ his?
The fact that the police did not arrest him for breaking-and-entering, I would say there is more here than meets the eye.
He would have to be a Republican before the IRS would go after him. His behavior makes it more likely that he is a Democrat.
Exactly....set up shop in your own front yard, and when he comes out immediately start shouting “He says he’s going to kill me!”.....and then shoot the bastard dead.
We gots coyotes here in our yards...........
Quiet titles beget quiet justice...
Is that the homeowner or the house thief?