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Man Moves Into Home While Family Is Away And Claims He Now Owns It
cleveland.cbslocal.com ^ | December 2, 2013 4:38 PM | Staff

Posted on 12/03/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Red Badger

SPRINGDALE, Ohio (CBS Cleveland) – Imagine going out of town to visit a dying relative only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house; and worse, that stranger now says he legally owns that house.

WLWT-TV reported that Robert Carr moved into a house, changed the locks, and emptied the house.

Carr says he is able to claim the property through something called a “quiet title.” He says the family abandoned the house and gave up their rights.

Carr wants to keep the home and not have to pay a penny.

“What he’s looking for is full title and ownership of the home,” Alison Warner, the family’s attorney, told WLWT. “He’s in their home. They don’t know when he’s there. He can be there now.”

The family has charged Carr with breaking and entering but he is even fighting that charge.

A quiet title action lawsuit brought in a court over property disputes. It is used to establish who legally owns a property.

The FBI has been informed about this case.

“They’ll come together as groups to receive training, how to conduct some of these schemes from a financial standpoint, to understand what they consider the common law and how they can use that common law for their sovereign purposes,” Special Agent in Charge Kevin Cornelius told WLWT. “I’m not familiar with any cases where it’s held up in court. I think that it holds up the process of the court’s decision.”

The family in this case has called this ordeal a nightmare.

“It’s really been hard,” the homeowner told the station.


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1 posted on 12/03/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Unless the judge wants to have his home occupied (most judges have nice homes) they better give the fellow a summary order to quit, and turn him over to the local Sheriff for holding without bond.

Sovereign citizen stuff has to be snuffed quickly. They can smell weakness.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 11:09:24 AM PST by donmeaker
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To: Red Badger

Has anyone notified the IRS about this man’s “income” in the form of the value of the house and contents? The IRS taxes large sums of money you find or even steal. His acquisition of the house would seem to fall into one of these categories so he should owe taxes.


3 posted on 12/03/2013 11:09:37 AM PST by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides;)
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To: Red Badger

the po-po would have new missing person on file.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 11:10:35 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Red Badger

I’m afraid if I were the homeowner, I would feel threatened. I would fear great bodily harm, and death.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 11:10:41 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: kathsua

This IRS would probably put a lien on the house, assuming it would hurt the occupier.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 11:12:03 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Red Badger

“Robert Carr moved into a house, changed the locks, and emptied the house.”

Bob, you need to leave my house - No, bang, bang two rounds center mass. Sorry Bob, wrong answer. Hello 911, I just shot an intruder in my home, please send the coroner.


7 posted on 12/03/2013 11:13:30 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Red Badger

This would not have been a very long conversation at my house. It would have ended quickly, abruptly, and loudly.


8 posted on 12/03/2013 11:14:30 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Red Badger

If I came home and found him there I’d just shoot his arse


9 posted on 12/03/2013 11:15:20 AM PST by BO Stinkss (Democrats own every single ghetto in America - Just a thought.....)
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To: Red Badger

Obviously (from the story), this guy is rolling the dice and looking for a lottery win. It’s coming down to the definition of “abandoned”, which apparently means “any moment the house is unoccupied” in his opportunistic mind.


10 posted on 12/03/2013 11:16:00 AM PST by alancarp
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To: areukiddingme1

There needs to be some immediate and painful consequences for this behavior.

I’d say a punch in the mouth would suffice, though.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 11:16:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t get this.

If this happened to me, this man would cease to exist.

He would just disappear.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 11:16:06 AM PST by Jayster
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To: MeganC
It would have ended quickly, abruptly, and loudly.

That's why you need eyes & ear protection......when shooting.

13 posted on 12/03/2013 11:16:16 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Badger
next headline

Homeowners return home - squatter ventilated

14 posted on 12/03/2013 11:16:48 AM PST by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: All

much of this is “sovereign citizen” anarchist garbage.

Adverse posession has to be continuous, public, and without opposition. The fact there is a civil AND criminal court case means there is no adverse claim.

Not only should he go to jail, but the group advizing him should be financially liable as well as any lawyers. PERSONALLY.

He should also be sanctioned by having to have all his filings required to be prescreened by a judge for further abuse of process.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 11:18:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red Badger

Couldn’t you shoot this person and say you were scared for your life? He invaded your home. He was going to attack etc.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 11:19:06 AM PST by snowstorm12
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To: Red Badger

Any idea how long the owners had been gone?


17 posted on 12/03/2013 11:20:55 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Red Badger
Hmmm. I'm thinking his experience would be something like this.
18 posted on 12/03/2013 11:21:56 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie.)
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To: MrB
I’d say a punch in the mouth would suffice, though.

Why leave him alive to put another family/homeowner through a similar nightmare. Make an example of him.

19 posted on 12/03/2013 11:23:10 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: BO Stinkss

If I came home and found him there I’d just shoot his CENTER OF MASS.....................


20 posted on 12/03/2013 11:25:46 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger
This story has been repeated on all over the country, but the most ironic one I've seen yet is this:

"Occupy Wall Street" asserts squatter's rights to single dad's home, gives it to "homeless" family

A previous article quoted an expert to the effect that adverse possession is the only authentic legal doctrine under which this could be done.

But to take title by adverse possession, in most states, the claimant must prove he has occupied the property continuously for something like 15 - 30 years (depending on the state).

21 posted on 12/03/2013 11:26:18 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Red Badger

“...only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house”

Déjà vu! I thought we went through this already in the “white” house. Some stranger living there, can’t seem to get rid of him, and all.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 11:26:29 AM PST by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: TexasCajun

Ditto.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 11:26:53 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Tonytitan

It’s too bad our society has litigated out the “punch in the mouth” solution...

Now, about all you can do with someone like this is let him get away with it or kill him.


24 posted on 12/03/2013 11:29:14 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: BO Stinkss

Ordinarily, that wouldn’t be a fatal shot. However, in Mr. Carr’s case you would also hit his head.


25 posted on 12/03/2013 11:29:48 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Red Badger

Ah...I see Robert Carr is of a dark skin race...that means he is entitled to it. Case closed


26 posted on 12/03/2013 11:35:46 AM PST by BubbaJunebug
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To: MrB

a double tap is what is required. the mistake is using a half measure, when a full measure is required.


27 posted on 12/03/2013 11:41:49 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red Badger

Spray him with 3” #7 buckshot from a keltec bull pup and turn him into a sieve.

He’ll seek medical help, go to the hospital and while he is out you can change the locks, move back in.

I’d get five rottweilers from East LA on the property STAT and place two PHALANX Gatling guns on the roof.

One on the NE corner, the other on the SW corner.

Then install Fort Knox doors on the front and back door.

Place two Claymores wherever someone can enter(remember to fsce them outward).

Should be good to go after that.


28 posted on 12/03/2013 11:42:09 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Red Badger

same thing happended in DC in 2008?


29 posted on 12/03/2013 11:42:14 AM PST by GotMojo
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To: Red Badger

Apparently he has done this multiple times before

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516572/Man-claimed-familys-home-visited-dying-relative-ELEVEN-properties.html


30 posted on 12/03/2013 11:43:31 AM PST by freds6girlies (many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Mt. 19:30. R.I.P. G & J)
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To: Red Badger

This is nonsense the person is engaged in trespass and fraud. Quiet Title does not give you the right to take someone else home, this person is going to go to jail for a long time.


31 posted on 12/03/2013 11:47:55 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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This could have all been solved a long time ago with a simple scream of panic followed by some ventilation.


32 posted on 12/03/2013 11:52:08 AM PST by InsidiousMongo
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To: donmeaker

how does it get to this point. go to police and say my home, heres stuff with my address on it, this guy broke in. why is there even a discussion?


34 posted on 12/03/2013 11:57:09 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Red Badger

at common law, an adverse possession claim has several technical requirements and requires 20 years possession to ripen into a new ownership

(i do not know if Ohio has modified the rule or not, some states have lessened the 20 years requirement for instance...)


35 posted on 12/03/2013 12:00:23 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Red Badger
Prior to shooting him we'd have to have a little talk about where he took my possessions.
36 posted on 12/03/2013 12:06:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Red Badger

So where are the cops throwing this thief in jail? Carr isn’t a renter. This isn’t just a civil case. He destroyed this families property and took their home.

They need a better lawyer cause this is still ongoing.


37 posted on 12/03/2013 12:07:48 PM PST by RginTN
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To: TigersEye

Prior to shooting him we'd have to have a little talk about where he took my possessions.

Say hello to my little friend......................

38 posted on 12/03/2013 12:10:09 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

Entitlement. Notice something about the criminal? Have anything to do with a “gibs me dat” mentality? Have anything to do with an eeevvvviiiilllll ‘oppressor’ and an innocent ‘oppressed’ person walking in and taking what is ‘rightfully’ his?


39 posted on 12/03/2013 12:33:09 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Red Badger

The fact that the police did not arrest him for breaking-and-entering, I would say there is more here than meets the eye.


40 posted on 12/03/2013 12:37:14 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Red Badger
There'd be some coyotes 95 miles from where I live whooping it up over the free meal.


41 posted on 12/03/2013 12:39:42 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: kathsua

He would have to be a Republican before the IRS would go after him. His behavior makes it more likely that he is a Democrat.


42 posted on 12/03/2013 12:43:15 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: BykrBayb

Exactly....set up shop in your own front yard, and when he comes out immediately start shouting “He says he’s going to kill me!”.....and then shoot the bastard dead.


43 posted on 12/03/2013 12:44:18 PM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: The KG9 Kid

We gots coyotes here in our yards...........


44 posted on 12/03/2013 12:44:35 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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Quiet titles beget quiet justice...


45 posted on 12/03/2013 12:45:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Red Badger
Exactly. Welcome to my garage...


46 posted on 12/03/2013 12:47:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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47 posted on 12/03/2013 12:55:33 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

Is that the homeowner or the house thief?


48 posted on 12/03/2013 12:57:37 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Der thief....................


50 posted on 12/03/2013 12:59:21 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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