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Bob Dylan Charged in France Over Croatia Remarks
Associated Press ^ | Dec. 3, 2013 7:43 AM EST

Posted on 12/03/2013 1:10:55 PM PST by Olog-hai

French authorities have filed preliminary charges against Bob Dylan over a 2012 interview in which he is quoted comparing Croatians to Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.

The charges of “public insult and inciting hate” were filed against the musician in mid-November, Paris prosecutor’s office spokeswoman Agnes Thibault-Lecuivre said Tuesday.

They stem from a lawsuit by a Croatian community group in France over remarks in an interview in Rolling Stone magazine in September 2012. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bobdylan; croatia; eussr; france
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1 posted on 12/03/2013 1:10:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

When is the last time anyone understood anything he said? lol


2 posted on 12/03/2013 1:13:48 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Olog-hai
J’Accuse!

Zee American zinger is guilty of zee zhought crime!

Off with his head!

3 posted on 12/03/2013 1:14:06 PM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Olog-hai

Amazing how these old guys keep singing.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 1:14:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Olog-hai
No controversy though over Bob Dylan saying that black people can spot which white Americans have Klan blood in them.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 1:15:28 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: sickoflibs

Old Bobby Z’s vocal cords have turned to #100 sandpaper grit long time ago. I mean shot to shinola a goner.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 1:17:48 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: PistolPaknMama

Remind me again, Croat’s are muslims and Serb are Christians right?


7 posted on 12/03/2013 1:18:08 PM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Olog-hai

Poor Bob, Europe doesn’t have “free speech” like we do (did)


8 posted on 12/03/2013 1:20:14 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: a fool in paradise
There once was a horde of Croats
All dressed in checkerboard red white coats
They sued our Bobby
For smoking a dobie
Then went back to humping goats.

9 posted on 12/03/2013 1:21:18 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: edcoil

The other way around I think. Always confusing. I think the capital is Hurtstagopeepee.


10 posted on 12/03/2013 1:21:57 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: mojito

that would be eez ed, right?

Dylan, of all people, a racist...who’d have thunk it?


11 posted on 12/03/2013 1:22:24 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder if he misses that whole US Constitution first amendment “thingy”.

Hope he enjoys his hopey changy.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 1:22:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe he can play a couple free concerts in Split and Dubrovnik as penance.

I’d book a WEasley Clarke memories cruise for that.


13 posted on 12/03/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: edcoil

They are both Christian although the Croatians are predominantly Catholic and Serbians Orthodox. It’s the Bosnians who are predominately Muslim.


14 posted on 12/03/2013 1:24:00 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Olog-hai

Well, Ol’ Bob gets one right. And I’m not saying that just because I’m a Serb.

And Croats are historically Catholic, not Muslim.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 1:24:02 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: a fool in paradise

Zimmy oughta tell this Croats to Split!


16 posted on 12/03/2013 1:24:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Vaquero

Clinton bombs the Christians to support the Muslims and the media had to give a new name to Christians so the headline America bombing Christians would not show.I think the serbs are the Christians.


17 posted on 12/03/2013 1:25:22 PM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Vaquero

Wiki lists Croatia as 80+ percent Catholic and Serbia as 80+ percent Orthodox Christian. Muslims are about 3% in each.


18 posted on 12/03/2013 1:26:32 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: bigbob

Oh well, Dylan has had his “Neighbourhood Bully” on youtube a number of times. Each time, youtube has purged it.

The imperative of the left will always be “Kill the jews”.


19 posted on 12/03/2013 1:28:04 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Hardraade

this is the kind of hate crime law Dylan probably wants in the US


20 posted on 12/03/2013 1:28:54 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

What do you base that on?


21 posted on 12/03/2013 1:32:14 PM PST by Borges
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To: PistolPaknMama; sickoflibs
When is the last time anyone understood anything he said? lol

When was the last time anyone ever condemned the Croats for their attempted genocide of the Serbs?

Amazing how these old guys keep singing.

Equally and MORE amazing is how people forget history..........

22 posted on 12/03/2013 1:32:27 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Borges

he is a leftwing radical

pretty simple


23 posted on 12/03/2013 1:32:59 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

LOL

99% of his songs are apolitical. In his memoirs he talks about how much he admired Barry Goldwater. He’s written songs in support of Israel and Evangelical Christianity. He wanted nothing to do with the hippies.


24 posted on 12/03/2013 1:34:59 PM PST by Borges
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To: edcoil

Croats are catholic. Serbs are Orthodox. Muslims are Muslims - and there’s a bunch of commies to spice up the mix.


25 posted on 12/03/2013 1:36:29 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Borges

“Blacks know that some whites didn’t want to give up slavery – that if they had their way, they would still be under the yoke, and they can’t pretend they don’t know that. If you got a slave master or (a Ku Klux) Klan (member) in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.”

real apolitical


26 posted on 12/03/2013 1:37:05 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: tflabo

One of the few...very few...Dylan songs I can listen to is “Duquesne Whistle.” Fairly recent and musically fixed in post production.


27 posted on 12/03/2013 1:38:04 PM PST by prisoner6 ( FREEDOM)
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To: Hot Tabasco

They have all had their turn murdering each other - the Serbs have a remarkable record themselves


28 posted on 12/03/2013 1:38:50 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: GeronL; wideawake

He says stuff like that to stir up people who take him literally. He has never been an overtly political figure at all. He refused to take part in the 1960s protests.


29 posted on 12/03/2013 1:40:51 PM PST by Borges
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To: GeronL

I think you are wrong about that. I have heard him a few times in interviews and he seemed to have rather conservative views. I don’t believe he is a left winger.


30 posted on 12/03/2013 1:41:51 PM PST by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Olog-hai

As I recall, the Croats collaborated with Nazi Germany during WWII...


31 posted on 12/03/2013 1:43:06 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: a fool in paradise

WWI was started over less by those Balkan crazies. Are we willing to go die for Zimmerman?


32 posted on 12/03/2013 1:43:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: edcoil
No, Croats are also Christian.

I believe Dylan may have been referring to the Croat Quasi-Nazi organization during WWII that was very brutal against the Serbs; hence Tito.

In any case, this criminalizing of speech is getting out of hand and Dylan should tell the Croats and the French to pound sand up their collective asses.

33 posted on 12/03/2013 1:44:05 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Scotswife
They have all had their turn murdering each other - the Serbs have a remarkable record themselves

Of course they have but Dylan is addressing the latest and past practices of the Croats who were no friends with the Serbs or Jews for that matter....

I find it interesting that Dylan is the only current high profile musician who has the guts to speak out againts the Croats considering their alliance with the Nazis....

34 posted on 12/03/2013 1:54:22 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: GeronL

Dylan was left of center In the early to middle 60s, mostly in reaction to the Jim Crow laws still in force at the time. Heck, Charlton Heston marched with King and was proud if that till the day he died. Personal freedoms and all that.

Bob’s music matured in the late 60s through the 70s into some real good stuff. Though his vocal styling were NEVER his forte.


35 posted on 12/03/2013 1:55:30 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Croat crimes in WWII were some of the worst crimes imaginable, even the Nazis had to tell them to tone it down a bit.


36 posted on 12/03/2013 1:55:34 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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Croat crimes in WWII were some of the worst crimes imaginable, even the Nazis had to tell them to tone it down a bit.

Unfortunately most people are ignorant of that fact.........thanks for mentioning it.

37 posted on 12/03/2013 1:59:11 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: mc5cents
But his public support of Bammy, at least as recently as right before the last election, is irritating: "We tried to play good tonight since the president was here today."
38 posted on 12/03/2013 2:05:01 PM PST by Rocko
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To: Olog-hai; ntnychik; potlatch
Croatia should apologize for World War II genocide before joining the EU
39 posted on 12/03/2013 2:05:10 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Vaquero
Dylan was left of center In the early to middle 60s, mostly in reaction to the Jim Crow laws still in force at the time.

Yet Dylan did have an affection for Barry Goldwater even when the civil rights struggle was still going on.

He liked Goldwater's "authentic" cowboy persona which he said reminded him of Tom Mix, and he loved freaking out his more political more conventionally leftist friends.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell if Dylan is serious or joking and if he's a genius or an idiot, but it is refreshing that he wasn't the stereotypical left-wing folk singer.

40 posted on 12/03/2013 2:09:27 PM PST by x
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To: Hot Tabasco

Maybe he is only unusual in that he happens to be a famous American talking about it.
I’m gathering from the whole kerfluffle that Croats have heard this quite a bit - which may not be a problem if you actually were a Nazi-sympathasizing Croat, or related to them.
There were many who were not - just like there are many Serbs who aren’t commies.


41 posted on 12/03/2013 2:09:53 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Vaquero
Dylan was left of center In the early to middle 60s, mostly in reaction to the Jim Crow laws still in force at the time. Heck, Charlton Heston marched with King and was proud if that till the day he died. Personal freedoms and all that.

How is being pro-liberty and pro-equal justice under the law a left-wing thing?

42 posted on 12/03/2013 2:10:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Vaquero

Jim Crow laws were left of center, supported by Democrats. Conservatives do not oppose equality.

Those who say that all whites are racists who want to bring back slavery are lying or delusional


43 posted on 12/03/2013 2:12:44 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: TigersEye

It’s not. He did have some of the baggage in the early years of the typical folk singer. But he moved on.


44 posted on 12/03/2013 2:15:47 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GeronL

The early folk musicians were both anti-Jim Crow and pro socialist. A very complex time.


45 posted on 12/03/2013 2:17:53 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

I don’t recall his early songs being particularly political.


46 posted on 12/03/2013 2:20:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Catholic and muslim depicted in SS recruiting poster...


47 posted on 12/03/2013 2:34:06 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: TigersEye

It’s a hard rain gonna fall. Dylan. 1962

Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
And where have you been my darling young one?
I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I’ve walked and I’ve crawled on six crooked highways
I’ve stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I’ve been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I’ve been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue eyed son?
And what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin’
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin’
I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder that roared out a warnin’
I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin’
I heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin’
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you meet my blue-eyed son ?
Who did you meet, my darling young one?
I met a young child beside a dead pony
I met a white man who walked a black dog
I met a young woman whose body was burning
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow
I met one man who was wounded in love
I met another man who was wounded in hatred
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

And what’ll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
And what’ll you do now my darling young one?
I’m a-goin’ back out ‘fore the rain starts a-fallin’
I’ll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
And the executioner’s face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number
And I’ll tell and speak it and think it and breathe it
And reflect from the mountain so all souls can see it
And I’ll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin’
But I’ll know my song well before I start singing
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.


48 posted on 12/03/2013 2:38:42 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

What is political about that? Sounds like social commentary.


49 posted on 12/03/2013 2:43:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Blowin In The Wind. 1962

How many roads most a man walk down
Before you call him a man ?
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand ?
Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they’re forever banned ?
The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

Yes, how many years can a mountain exist
Before it’s washed to the sea ?
Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they’re allowed to be free ?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn’t see ?
The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

Yes, how many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky ?
Yes, how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry ?
Yes, how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died ?
The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.


50 posted on 12/03/2013 2:45:08 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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