Skip to comments.Union official says train engineer 'nodded'
Posted on 12/03/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by Second Amendment FirstEdited on 12/03/2013 3:48:21 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The engineer in the commuter-train derailment that killed four people over the weekend caught himself nodding at the controls just before the wreck, a union official said Tuesday.
William Rockefeller "caught himself, but he caught himself too late," said Anthony Bottalico, leader of the rail employees union, relating what he said Rockfeller told him.
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This may, or may not, be true.
The union is admitting he fell asleep.
Clearly this is tires driving.
This is all about the City saving money. In a manual system such as this then there should be at least two train operators present. So many lives have been lost in train wrecks that would not have been lost if multiple operators were present.
How many pilots are present in a commercial aircraft? Not just one- that is for sure.
They could save more money by having a GPS/computer run the train rather than some union drone.
Nice try, Anthony, but as a union thug, spin is not your strong suit. Crack another Busch and have a nice piece of STFU jerky...
It is hard to believe the whole train deepened on one human driver. Humans are GOING to make mistakes. I blame the bureaucrats as much as I blame this guy.
Nodded to who?
But did they have rumble strips on the track to wake him up?
That means it wasn’t his fault. Right? Come on, agree with me. He can’t be held accountable for his actions because that would go against the union code!
But they do. Just about every train you see, light, heavy, commuter, anywhere has one driver. I bet they do on the bullets, too.
In other words: He fell asleep...
In the end "Sleep Apnea" will be blamed...
Guy looks overweight and probably borderline Type II diabetic too...
Of course, it wasn't his fault...He has a medical condition...
Disability for life...
From the article:
In case of an engineer becoming incapacitated, the train's front car was equipped with a "dead man's pedal" that must be depressed or else the train will automatically slow down, Anders said.
Maybe they should put the dead mans switch under the guys chin...
BTW, many pieces of dangerous equipment like forklifts has a similar system...
They are really getting tough on truck drivers with sleep apnea. If you have that diagnosis your company has to keep compliance records of the hours you use your CPAP machine. Or you lose your license.
I assume you want 2 drivers on city buses also? By any reasonable safety analysis that would be more valuable.
First hand knowledge here...
I supervise CDL drivers so I have to comply with the same regs as they do...
Last time I went for my CDL medical certificate, because my BMI index was too high, I was REQUIRED to get a sleep apnea test within 30 days or have my doctor certify I did not have it...or I would lose my CDL license...
Guilty of having it without a single piece of evidence...
I did some consulting for a CPAP manufacturer. Trucking companies are one of their biggest customers.
It’s interesting that they trigger off the BMI. I was wondering how they snared drivers. But BMI makes sense.
I use one myself even though my BMI is pretty normal. But if losing weight was the cure (and for a lot of folks it is) that would be a pretty powerful incentive to lose weight.
BTW, if you do need one you really should use one. Lots of nasty things happen to people who don’t.
And I’m not say’n you’re fat. You could be very muscular and have a high BMI.
Oh' yes...last thing a defense attorney for a trucking company wants to hear on the witness stand some slick lawyer grilling the guy who ran over a little old lady...
"So Mr. Truck driver, your metric profile seems to indicate you might be affected with sleep apnea, why didn't your company test you for it..."
"My poor deceased client might be alive today if they did..."
Hah...20 years ago that would be a true statement...not so much today...
Well, you might want to get tested. A CPAP really isn’t that bad.
All the best to ya FRFriend.
Sounds like gov't negligence to me. What is the point of having ATC if the whole line is not properly protected?
Two reasons: 1) engineers and conductors are required by Japanese law to "point and call" every safety waypoint when the train is moving to keep both the engineer and conductor awake, and 2) trains are required by law to have Automatic Train Stop (ATS) to automatically stop the train if the train goes into any block of track that the train is not supposed to be on.
I thought all trains have a dead man throttle. You have to hold it open..you nod off and your hand releases and the train stops
I ALWAYS find it in the SEAT of my UNDERPANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunday the excuse was he applied the brakes and they failed to work.
Could go the route of the air traffic controllers. Two controllers so one can nap and the other work. But that didn’t work out because two napped at once. So, three traffic controllers were required. One to work, one to nap and one to check the other two out, but that didn’t work out.......
The next generation of ATC technology -- called Positive Train Control (PTC) -- is being designed for the Metro North system right now under the Federal mandate that requires all passenger rail systems to have PTC installed by 2015. I'm pretty sure this technology addresses speed infractions on dangerous curves, but I'm not 100% sure.
I get that human beings are never zero-defect, but can’t they wait for the funerals to be over before they trot out multiple excuses? Since when did a union become a PR firm?
This is bizarre.