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Obama to Defend Health Law as Economic Benefit
New York Times ^ | 12/4/13 | Jackie Calmes

Posted on 12/04/2013 2:51:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

.... Obama leaves the White House on Wednesday for one of the capital’s most struggling neighborhoods to talk about the economy, not simply to divert attention from his troubled Affordable Care Act but to explain how that law, for all of its flaws, fits into his vision for Americans’ economic security and upward mobility.

It is a vision of partnership between government and citizens that Mr. Obama has described since he was a state senator in Illinois, and it draws on the legacies of three Republican presidents —Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight D. Eisenhower.

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: liar; obamacare
That is the NEW LIE: socialized medicine is a REPUBLICAN idea. Look for the media to spew that bile. Repeatedly.

People need to show up and mock this clown.

1 posted on 12/04/2013 2:51:27 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Another lie from satan-boy... no REPUBLICAN voted for it... not even the low down, slimy communist republicans like snowe and mccain. Every time an obama speaks... a few more Americans wake up. Keep lying barry... your name is a lie... your father was a lie... your mother was a lie... your life has been a string of lies... your religion is a lie... your sexuality is a lie... you are a lie! FUBO!


2 posted on 12/04/2013 2:56:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Obama speak: Partnership = serfdom.


3 posted on 12/04/2013 2:59:33 AM PST by Truth29
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To: LibLieSlayer

Actually, I hope the entire remainder of his tenure is CONSUMED with the need to keep putting lipstick on this pig.

The more he has to get out there and tell even more outrageous lies, the better. Eventually, these people that are in the “queue” to sign up WILL get signed up, and they’ll find out that PPACA card is the most expensive piece of toilet paper they ever bought.

The more that he has to do this means less time spent in other country-killing endeavors like Amnesty, gun-control and total economic shutdown.


4 posted on 12/04/2013 3:03:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Republicans have got to get out there and say something and do it fast. Since the first flurry, there has been nothing but silence from the GOP on all of this.

Possibly they’re speaking out and it’s not getting reported, of course, but in that case, they’ve just got to get louder.


5 posted on 12/04/2013 3:09:20 AM PST by livius
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To: SoFloFreeper

Medical “insurance” is actually perceived as insurance, even though it’s mostly used as a third-party coupon-discount.

How many people do you know that say “I want insurance in case of a catastrophe” compared to “I want insurance to bring my medical expenses down.”?

Because of this collective system of paying for given expenses, not risk of expense, it’s actually a microcosm of communism (even before O’care) which is why costs go out of control. Economically, communism has never worked.

To fix medical “insurance”, you have to get rid of what makes it communist, not pile on, which CommieCare does.


6 posted on 12/04/2013 3:10:19 AM PST by fruser1
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To: SoFloFreeper
Obama’s lies are growing to epic proportions.
7 posted on 12/04/2013 3:13:42 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: livius
"there has been nothing but silence from the GOP on all of this."

I have given up on the RINOS ever attempting to FIX anything.
All they do is come down hard on Ted Cruz and any others that dare to speak the truth.
I will only vote for a true conservative no mater what party they are associated with.

8 posted on 12/04/2013 3:14:49 AM PST by DeaconRed (Back to FUBO Simple like ZERO)
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To: SoFloFreeper
socialized medicine is a REPUBLICAN idea.

Remember RomneyCare? The prime reason Romney was the most awful choice possible for the GOP nominee. Even during the campaign, he never favored repeal -- he would "tweak" it and adjust it, and have 50 (57?) RomneyCares, one in each state.

BTW, Romney's still enamored of RomneyCare, which has given MA the highest premiums in the nation, in spite of the federal money that poured in because of it. He thinks it's terribly wrong to force the nation into a one-size-fits-all deal, but apparently thinks it's perfectly fine to force each state into a one-size-fits-all deal!

9 posted on 12/04/2013 3:20:10 AM PST by maryz
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To: SoFloFreeper

“fits into his vision for Americans’ economic security and upward mobility.”

I’m waiting for someone to explain this vision clearly. I’m thinking the term “white privilege” plays a role in that.


10 posted on 12/04/2013 3:24:44 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: SoFloFreeper

11 posted on 12/04/2013 3:24:49 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: SoFloFreeper

When the sheeple have to stroke checks that are double and triple for premiums every month no amount of propaganda about ObamaScare™ will work. When the sheeple start selling cars to ditch car payments and not buying anything “luxury” items to pay premiums the economy will get even worse.


12 posted on 12/04/2013 3:28:50 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fruser1
The median household income in the US was $51,017 in 2012. I don't think Obama or anyone who works for him (and who he would actually speak to) understands what the income distribution graph in the US looks like. His contacts have probably mostly been Columbia U and Harvard Law graduates for the last 20-30 years -- who have an income of much more than $51,017, even if they're Bolsheviks like he is.

On an average income of $51,017, $10k-$20k in mandated health insurance bills with huge deductibles and co-pays is well beyond "a big ****ing deal", it's an arithmetic impossibility. There is just no way to hide this fiasco once the bills for it start rolling in.

13 posted on 12/04/2013 3:32:16 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Truth29

...”Obama speak: Partnership = serfdom.”...

It is a partnership which hurts and destroys and it does equal serfdom..Every elderly person I know who worked a long career has been charged a tax for their Medicare for a long time now and they have just seen that tax go up sharply. Mine increased by 9.3 %.. My husband and I worked hard for 40 years, never dreaming that our government would become so revolutionary as to become the enemy of our system of freedom for all. They are looking to rob low and middle class people, including the elderly, in order to level everyone to an equal state of poverty. They want the elderly to go away and, given the opportunity, they will see to it. This kind of lawlessness cannot go on. We are not this kind of nation..I believe most Americans will soon realize what is up and will make bold moves to stop it.


14 posted on 12/04/2013 3:34:45 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/expert-testifies-to-congress-that-obamas-ignoring-laws-could-lead-to-overthrow-of-government/


15 posted on 12/04/2013 3:49:54 AM PST by Truth29
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To: SoFloFreeper; sickoflibs; thouworm; justiceseeker93; GOPJ; Grampa Dave
In his faked-up presser yesterday, Boobamba urged young healthies to use the new improved worked-over web site (forget about ID theft, young 'uns).

That was funny in itself---but Boobamba's funniest line was to urge Republicans to come up with "ideas" for him.

This comes after Boobamba tells America dose dam Republicans are evil---even terroristic. And now he wants their h/care ideas?

Oh, please----what could Repubs possibly tell this WH genius and his crackerjack know-it-all team (the ones who devised this boondoggle)?

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George Will said it best: "Its OK for pols to be clever---but they cannnot 'appear' to be clever. B/C voters equate clearness with deviousness?

IMHO--that's why Boobamba's nos are doing a Costa Concordia into the deep blue sea---not b/c of the Obamacare flopola and the wacky web site--- but b/c his handling of them has outed him as a devious con artist who will say or do anything to keep his scam going.

16 posted on 12/04/2013 3:51:01 AM PST by Liz
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To: SoFloFreeper

Effing psychopath.


17 posted on 12/04/2013 3:55:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
the NEW LIE: socialized medicine is a REPUBLICAN idea

Which is why obamacare got ZERO Republican votes.
18 posted on 12/04/2013 3:58:38 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gaffer

Very true!


19 posted on 12/04/2013 4:02:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: All
Boobamba plans to use the same "political tactics" that got him elected to resurrect Obamacare----he's even sap-happily assembling his 2012 team?

Balderdash---people know now that what he was promising them in 2012 was an outright lie. His political scam of "Hope and Change" is as defunct as turn-of-the-century buggy whips. ..........

.....as for Boobamba's "If you like it, you can keep it" chant........


20 posted on 12/04/2013 4:02:25 AM PST by Liz
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To: SoFloFreeper
Don't look over there, look over here.

Obama won reelection because he changed the debate.

He is attempting to change the debate now.

What should the debate truly be about? I am not asking as a partisan Republican or even as the angry conservative that I am, I am asking as patriot. It seems to me that the critical thing for America is not income equality, or increasing inequality in wealth-if that in fact is occurring, or ability to get healthcare insurance, or even our appalling job statistics. It seems to me that the most critical thing for America is that we avoid disintegration, fiscal and then political disintegration.

The debate should be based on the fundamental proposition that if we continue on our current course of piling up debt, debasing the system with quantitative easing, and eviscerating our manufacturing infrastructure, the entire American edifice must simply crash. That crash will not simply be financial it will be social and political and might well see the destruction of our constitutional system and our way of life.

So Obama begins a campaign of political prestidigitation in which he says don't look over there at the underlying causes of our impending crash, look over here at the symptoms, which I will fix for you. Obama wants us to look not at a world of soaring medical costs largely the product of government interference in the marketplace and misguided subsidies, he wants us to look at his fix which is, of course, Obamacare.

Obama does not want us to look at stagnating wages and shrinking jobs which are the result of government overregulation, over taxation, and misguided trade policies, he wants us to look at himself putting a Band-Aid called the minimum wage on our chronic jobs depression.

Obama does not want us to look at increasing disparity of wealth (if in fact that is actually the case) caused by the government foreclosing opportunities, he wants to demagogue the rich, play the class envy card, and intrude further on the free marketplace by distributing wealth rather than opening opportunity. He does not want, like John F. Kennedy wanted, to let a rising tide lifts all boats.

Obama is a very good campaigner and a very good prestidigitator. As many have pointed out on this thread, our leaders in Congress are incapable of competing with Obama. Ted Cruz can do it, Rand Paul can do it, Mike Lee can do it but these three have been hobbled and partially muzzled by the men who cannot do it. The men who cannot do it, however, seem very capable of doing it when the job is to denigrate Republicans. Perhaps they do not want to do it, that is they do not want the fundamental questions addressed?

Which brings us back to the critical question which should trouble every patriot, what do we do to save ourselves and the Republic?

Certainly we should start with the right questions, framing the right debate, then and only then can we hope the electorate will yield the right answers.


21 posted on 12/04/2013 4:15:58 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

You should write editorials for a living. You are spot-on.


22 posted on 12/04/2013 4:25:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
He will bash the wage earner, argue for more redistribution.
23 posted on 12/04/2013 4:53:54 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: nathanbedford

Unfortunately we are in the midst of a cultural collapse and that I fear cannot be addressed by governmental action. The Balkanization of American politics is proving toxic to our system of laws. Even a change of leaders at the top may prove to be too little, too late. I honestly don’t hold out much hope. We may have reached the top of the parabola and there is nowhere to go but down.


24 posted on 12/04/2013 5:03:30 AM PST by refermech
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To: Liz

Obama wants young people to enroll, pay extremely high premiums and have co-pays that ensure they will not see a dime in reimbursements for (statistically speaking) for at least 10 years.
Then they also write into law that those same young people can stay on their parents policy until age 26, thus negating any incentives they may have had getting coverage on their own.


25 posted on 12/04/2013 5:08:14 AM PST by americanbychoice3
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To: americanbychoice3
Obama surfaced at the pep rally for himself yesterday----treated to a standing ovation by his suckup staff when he said, "no repeal as long as I'm president."

Which is an awfully good case for his immediate removal.

But he better hideout in the Rose Garden for a bit---b/c a Gallup poll revealed that the more people know about ObamaCare, the less likely they are to support it---blissful ignorance is better for the president than people's horrified awareness.

26 posted on 12/04/2013 5:18:03 AM PST by Liz
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To: refermech
I honestly don’t hold out much hope. We may have reached the top of the parabola and there is nowhere to go but down.

I fear you may be correct.

Usually the ONLY way those who pay little attention to a situation LEARN is when the roof falls in on them.

27 posted on 12/04/2013 5:22:51 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Truth29

It’s not a “partnership” when one side holds all the power, especially the legal monopoly on the use of deadly force to impose its will on the other.


28 posted on 12/04/2013 5:24:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

29 posted on 12/04/2013 5:33:57 AM PST by PROCON (Those who are capable of Tyranny are capable of Deceit to sustain it.)
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To: Liz; SoFloFreeper; thouworm; justiceseeker93; GOPJ; Grampa Dave
RE :”That was funny in itself-—but Boobamba’s funniest line was to urge Republicans to come up with “ideas” for him.
This comes after Boobamba tells America dose dam Republicans are evil-—even terroristic. And now he wants their h/care ideas?
Oh, please——what could Repubs possibly tell this WH genius and his crackerjack know-it-all team (the ones who devised this boondoggle)? ‘

LOL, true.

This is food for the weak minded, worked in the past:
I (Obama) am trying to fix things and make them work and all Republicans want to do is obstruct and break things, and root for failure.
Obviously I am the only adult in the room who can be trusted to govern, well me and my fellow Democrats who are working with me’

30 posted on 12/04/2013 5:51:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Liz; SoFloFreeper; thouworm; justiceseeker93; GOPJ; Grampa Dave
And Obama Michelle and the Cosby daughters wont be going to an Obamacare exchange or medicaid to get their health care, the number 1 rule of imposed (coerced) socialism :

Don't get high on your own supply’

31 posted on 12/04/2013 5:54:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: LibLieSlayer
I'd say that just about sums it up!
32 posted on 12/04/2013 6:01:47 AM PST by USMA '71 ((Re-elect no one!))
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To: sickoflibs

Clown Prince nobama is a complete and utter liar. The bum just can’t help him self. He is a pathological liar.


33 posted on 12/04/2013 6:03:28 AM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: SoFloFreeper

34 posted on 12/04/2013 6:09:49 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond

Flim Flam Man was a great movie.


35 posted on 12/04/2013 6:10:44 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Yes, it was. George C. Scott was terrific in the role. I thought of the movie the first time I ever saw Obungo speaking - no joke.

Cordially

36 posted on 12/04/2013 7:16:15 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Obama is insane.


37 posted on 12/04/2013 7:17:54 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: USMA '71

Thank you my friend!


38 posted on 12/04/2013 8:46:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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