Skip to comments.Civilization and the Knockout Game
Posted on 12/04/2013 5:21:43 AM PST by SJackson
The Jewish part of Crown Heights is a narrow island a handful of blocks in length and width. Walk one block out of the way and youre suddenly in a dangerous neighborhood
The names, Empire Boulevard, President Street, Eastern Parkway, Montgomery Street, reflect an old vanished grandeur. The men in top hats and tails walking up the brownstone steps, slightly tipsy after a party, have given way to car alarms and broken glass.
Kingston Avenue is its major commercial street full of bakeries, restaurants, butcher stores, a fish store and childrens clothing shops. Intersecting it is President Street; full of dilapidated mansions from its past history when it was known as Millionaires Row.
Eastern Parkway is a corridor that stretches to Prospect Park; Brooklyns answer to Central Park complete with lake, swans and even a major museum. Along that corridor you can see elaborate townhouses, some with stairways stretching three stories, brownstones and massive old theaters.
These were the dwelling places and playhouses of an old wealthy Brooklyn elite that considered itself the equal of Manhattan. Its homes were as expensive and tasteful as anything around Central Park. But those homes are now in ghetto territory. There are still graceful old apartment buildings with grand old names with the Us spelled out in Vs, but they are crumbling, the asphalt outside is cracked and bored gang bangers wander around outside.
Crown Heights is an example of what happens when the expected white flight doesnt occur leaving a small white neighborhood in the middle of the hood. Even most of the Orthodox Jews fled when the outbreaks of violence began. But one Chassidic group decided to stick it out and they form a ghetto inside the ghetto.
Those streets inside the island were never particularly safe. There were occasional muggings and assaults, forays by huddled packs of teenagers swiftly passing through the area at night, throwing a few punches and then vanishing again.
Giuliani, elected in part because of the Crown Heights Pogrom perpetrated under Mayor Dinkins whose staffer Bill de Blasio will take Bloombergs place, helped bring some safety back to the area. Crime rates fell, but the underlying danger never went away. An entire generation of kids has grown up never having seen the old bad Dinkins era or carried a switchblade for the days when the night comes early and even a short walk from the bus stop can have a bloody end.
The Knockout Game existed in my time; but we didnt have a name for it. It just was. It was something that could happen to you so you had to stay alert. Looking into store windows was an easy trick and adopting the right body posture for when a pack of teenagers was about to pass you came as second nature.
You learned that the attackers liked to strike at people who werent looking. There was some instinct in them that made them, even when they outnumbered their victims, want to catch their prey by surprise. It wasnt as good for them if you looked them calmly in the eyes and did not flinch. It ruined their fun.
They didnt attack because they hated. The attack was their idea of fun. They only hated when their victims ruined their fun. In their minds, attacking was legitimate, defending against the attack wasnt. They didnt resent their victims unless they fought back.
That was life in New York City. Its about to be life in New York City again.
Today gang culture is online. The existence of World Star Hip Hop and smartphones has made the consequences more public. In the eighties, the Knockout Game wasnt taped and the average teenage thug pack didnt have access to portable video cameras or any way to share the recordings of their triumphs.
Theres no doubt that the economy has played its part; but the presence and absence of violence isnt mere economics. When violence is culture; then its a cultural problem. Throw together large amounts of fatherless teenagers with no real goal in life except, briefly to become NBA stars or rappers boasting about selling rock, and the Knockout game is inevitable.
Some of the Knockouters will drift back and forth out of prison, heading back to the old neighborhood to hang out with the old gang, catch a meal and a nap at their mothers house, before urging their friends to go out looking for trouble. Others will get steady jobs. Some will even marry the mothers of their children.
Catch them two decades down the road and theyll talk about how they almost wound up going down a bad path before they turned their lives around and theyll have stories of their friends who went from mugging to dealing to shooting. But often those same men, now amiable and wise, shaking their heads at their past selves, will have left behind a trail of fatherless kids who are repeating the process all over again.
That is the cycle that has to be broken. The neighborhoods around Crown Heights are full of West Indian immigrants who come with united families and give way to a next generation that is as broken as the neighborhood. The social institutions that they build do not hold up. The churches host the elderly and single women. The community centers are where the homeless go. The teen sports leagues occasionally connect a teenage boy with an older mentor; but there are too many fatherless boys and not nearly enough responsible black men to step in and take the place of all those who arent.
Its not just race that divides the residents of Crown Heights. Its family.
72 percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers. Chassidic Jews and their black neighbors both share a high birth rate; but they are divided by marriage and family.
On the right side of Eastern Parkway there are Chassidic Jewish families; mothers and fathers with babies in strollers, schoolgirls in uniforms and boys in black jackets and crumpled hats. On the other side of the divide are women waiting for their men, their sons and lovers, to come home. They tell their daughters not to be with a boy who wont marry them and they tell their sons to respect women.
And still the next generation repeats the same cycle..
Civilization is not instinctive. It doesnt come packaged in our DNA. It doesnt even come from schools or books. It has to come from the defining human institution; the family.
Where there is no family, men and women wear the coat of civilization loosely and cast it aside easily. They treat violence and sexuality with the casualness that those outside civilization do. It is the family that civilizes violence and sexuality by endowing it with civilizational meaning. Without it, all thats left are dark streets, single mothers, male wolf packs and Knockout games.
“Black culture” is promoted by the left as a weapon to destroy Western/Christian civilization.
People often forget that Brooklyn was once a city unto itself - not a borough.
“Black culture is promoted by the left as a weapon to destroy Western/Christian civilization.”
Without constant promotion there would be no “black” music. It isn’t music. It’s packaged and sold, like crack. Stop the promotion of special “black” stuff and you’ll cut out a lot of this anti-white activity it promotes.
Always thought the Eastern Parkway subway stop would make a really cool model train set piece.
Yep, that’s what I’m saying - it’s promoted and propped up
BY THE LEFT
against Christian / Western Civilization.
And “anti-white” is simply a proxy for the above.
Cry me a river. New Yorkers vote for extreme left liberals because (surprise!) they ARE extreme left liberals. New Yorkers have been exporting hate for freedom and love of government to the rest of the country for generations. It's about time the chickens came home to roost. You New Yorkers made your bed now lie in it. Oh and whatever happens - astronomical taxes, crime, etc. It isn't tithe of what New York deserves
The welfare state leviathan did this to America.
Yeah, it's called cowardice.
Situational awareness and hollow points - the answer to the knockout game. A dead thug will never again threaten an innocent person’s life, and maybe, just maybe his punk-a** but buddies will learn from his demise.
The Orthodox Jews are very family oriented and successful. There is a connection between the two.
All true - male wolf packs, a thin veneer of civilization. However, there are many successful, MORAL, civilized folks who grow up in broken families and do quite well for themselves. As MLK put it, it has to do with character - choosing to do the right thing. That can be taught in the schools and in community centers.
And solidly on the Democrat's plantation.
or spin it to show whitey is killin us off.
My family, three generations back, lived in those mansions. I was born on DeKalb Avenue and lived on the Heights before we got out.
Return to God.
This was shown on a TV special about elephants in Africa. On some game reserves they had large numbers of female elephants and lots of juvenile males. No adult males. The juveniles took to random acts of senseless violence, attacking and killing other animals and each other.
Then they shipped in numbers of adult males. Very shortly the adult males made sure the juveniles behaved the way elephants should.
What is happening in the Black Community will soon to come to the white one, as so many unsavory traits have in the past. And in a sense, this culture is the fruit of the “Playboy Philosophy”, feminism and the fiction that a dominant male role model in the family is irrelevant.
God, a JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN GOD, is the answer to most of society’s ills.
Not really. Most Orthodox Jews and Hassidim are political conservatives also.
Its the Liberal Jews and “Conservative” and atheist agnostic Jews are political liberals.
The MSM will fall over themselves to get out front of any Black racial profiling story like ABC this morning but are all in denial about Black on White Hate Crimes.
The Jews always vote leftist—now they are reeping the results for their left leaning European ways. They might as well move to Israel now while they can. Votes have results.
Civil rights are for civil people. All others should be locked up or put down.
There is no solution that does not involve eliminating all programs that make it workable for a young woman to have babies without a stably-employed husband. Even if it creates short-term suffering, because otherwise we have societal collapse.
Since then, according to exit polls, Jews have voted between 64 percent and 80 percent Democratic in every presidential election but one. That exception was in 1980, when Jews favored Jimmy Carter over Ronald Reagan by margin of just six percentage points, 45 to 39 percent, and Reagan, to just about everyones surprise, carried New York, 47 to 44 percent. In the last four elections Jews have voted 78 percent for Bill Clinton, 79 percent for Al Gore (and Joe Lieberman), 74 percent for John Kerry, and 78 percent for Barack Obama. Republican nominees in those elections won, respectively, only 16 percent, 19 percent, 25 percent, and 21 percent of Jewish votes.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts
Did you read the comment before replying? Surveys of Jews don’t disaggregate the Hassidim from other Jews. “Jews” in political surveys include folks whose Judaism is limited to having actual Jews as ancestors and being implacably hostile to Christianity, but who have no real regard for the Torah, never darken the door of a synagogue, and completely ignore all ritual observances incumbent upon believing Jews.
The Hassidim of Brooklyn Heights are as conservative politically as they are religiously.
So what? I said Jews are solidly on the Democratic plantation, and they are. If you have any FACTS please post them. Otherwise I'll say to you what I told the other guy You're welcome to your own opinions, but you're not allowed to make up your own facts. All I see are unsupported opinions on your part. Put up or shut up.
Or to put it another way unless you have some polling data to support your opinion go away.
What has me scratching my head is that the Jewish vote was overwhelmingly for Obamaba both times. It’s like these people are suicidal, which may be a clue on the holocaust happened. How can you vote for the people who empower the thugs who want to physically assault you and also want to wipe your mother country of the face of the Earth?
Of course, the word "ghetto" originally meant the Jewish quarter of an Italian city.
I don't understand it either. I'm just stating the facts. I don't have even a realistic theory. My only guess is that Jews aren't as smart as they think they are.
But the discussion is not about Jews qua Jews (especially in the expansive notion that political surveys use, which includes, as I noted, folks who don’t really deserve the name), but about the Hassidim in Brooklyn. It’s like making assertions about Georgians in general based the attitudes of the folks your screen-name suggests are occupiers, when discussing a group of folks in Georgia who share your attitudes on most issues — not really to the point.
Wrong again. It IS about Jews in general. It was that other confused soul who brought up his irrelevant opinion about Hassidic Jews as somehow invalidation the statement of FACT that "Jews are solidly on the Democratic Plantation." (a FACT backed by exit polling) Now if you have ANY evidence showing the voting patterns of hassidic jews in brooklyn I suggest you trot it out. Bring back the facts Jack or go bother someone else.
OH and BTW What percentage of Hassidic Jews in Brooklyn own firearms? This is always a good test for conservatism.
No, you changed the subject: the article was contrasting two groups in Brooklyn as examples of civilization (the Hassidim) and barbarism (the black ‘youth’ who engage in the ‘Knockout game’).
You chose to bring Jews in general into the discussion so you could blame the victim by tarring the Hassidim with the crimes against civilization of people some Hassidim won’t even recognize as Jews (consider the status of Jewish conversions under the Hassidim-written conversion laws in the State of Israel) in voting for policies that erode civilization. The other poster is not a “confused soul”: he’s aware of the difference between election outcomes in identifiably Hassidic precincts (since Hassidim live in close-knit communities such election precincts exist) and the survey results for Jews (broadly defined) you keep harping on.
Your position is entirely analogous to bring up the fact that Americans voted twice for Obama in a discussion of an article about the IRS targeting TEA Party groups which used the TEA Party as an example of respect for the rule of law and the Obama/IRS as an example of the opposite, then harping on the point when someone objects that TEA partiers didn’t vote for Obama. (And claiming the objector is a “confused soul” because the election outcome that doesn’t disaggregate TEA Partiers from American in general shows Americans voted against the rule of law.)
But wait. I feel sorry for you. I'll tell you how to refute my facts with facts of your own. You can obtain the precinct level voting records for the area from the NY scy of state - probably online. Go and look up the last two presidential election results for the precincts that cover the areas you think are sooo conservative and post them. If they show a majority for Romeny and McCain, then I'll concede that I'm wrong and you're right. Get the facts Jack.
Read the comments on the bottom of the page at
and look at the Republican red dots in Brooklyn.
I'll quote the relevant text from the NY Time's map:
Mr. Obamas worst precincts were in Orthodox Jewish areas like Ocean Parkway and Williamsburg in Brooklyn and Kew Gardens Hills in Queens. In a few precincts in Borough Park, Brooklyn, Mr. Romney won more than 90 percent of the vote.The same pattern can be seen in the map from 2008 at Precincts Reporting NYC's map of the 2008 Presidential Vote, but with the colors returned to the traditional red for the party out of power, blue for the incumbent party.
Your concession is graciously accepted for my part, I trust our fellow FReeper whom you called a "confused soul" (I believe looking at the thread it was ZULU) will also accept it, as well.
As I said, I’m willing to accept facts and I do.
Oh and BTW thanks for digging that out.
You are quite welcomed.