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Young people have bailed on Obama. Why that matters a lot.
wapo ^ | Dec. 4, 2013 | Sean Sullivan and Scott Clement

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:14:10 AM PST by PROCON

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To: InvisibleChurch

Probably correct about Hillary.

Plus, this poll also shows only 4% of the youths would change their vote to Romney if they had a chance to do it over again today.

They may truly be a lost generation.


101 posted on 12/05/2013 7:44:39 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: MrB

>>>But have they bailed on their love affair with socialism?

No.

A libertarian historian named Ralph Raico talks about this in one of his lectures. When he first began teaching history and politician science, he would have his students “compare and contrast” sections of the US Constitution with sections of the Communist Manifesto. He no longer does that because most of his incoming students already overwhelmingly agree with the sentiments of the latter rather than the former.

>>>Or are they just disappointed in Obama because they thought that he’d be the one they’d been waiting for to implement it “right”?

Yes.

Many lefties I know wanted Obama to implement a single-payer system. “He didn’t go far enough with Obamacare” they say. When I point out the vast decline in medical outcomes under single-payer systems, accompanied by vast increases in waiting times, they stick their heads in the sand and go into denial mode, “That’s not true!!”

Deny, deny, deny.


102 posted on 12/05/2013 8:18:13 PM PST by GoodDay
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To: Chuzzlewit

And I bet that Hitlery runs against Palin. Obummer is going to have things sooo screwed up that Palin will be the breath of fresh air.


103 posted on 12/05/2013 8:38:26 PM PST by SisterK (would Satan be considered the first shapeshifter?)
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To: KeyLargo

Scored 22. Reckon I am half way between baby boomer and generation x (whatever that is).


104 posted on 12/05/2013 8:54:09 PM PST by SisterK (would Satan be considered the first shapeshifter?)
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To: MrB
strict application of the 10th amendment. Or secession.

Secede New England and New York City. It was their parlor pinks who started all this. Those people have been a bane to the Republic for the last 180 years, ever since the Tariff of Abominations.

And cut their copper and fiber-optic cables.

105 posted on 12/05/2013 10:51:06 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: stanne
Raise the voting age to 21.

Better: Require a DD214 for a voting card. Starship Troopers Spartiate society.

That'll take care of all the ex-LUG pink spinsters with M.A. and Ph.D. degrees who hate men, freedom, and America in no particular order, and who are "married" to the United States Government as a proxy husband.

If the Democratic Caucus of Congress were a sperm bank, they'd really be in business.

106 posted on 12/05/2013 10:56:10 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: GoodDay
He no longer does that because most of his incoming students already overwhelmingly agree with the sentiments of the latter rather than the former.

He should rethink. It were better if he got them to acknowledge their infatuation and declare openly for Communism. It would bring them out in the open and deprive them of concealment.

Out in the open where they can be lased.

107 posted on 12/05/2013 10:59:25 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Well, maybe not a DD214, but some standard. Oh, a DD214 for anyone under 21.

Ok

And landowners or mortgage holders only something like that. Welfare disqualifies voting. Conflict of interest. Ditto ebt


108 posted on 12/05/2013 11:03:30 PM PST by stanne
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To: Jay Thomas

79 score, 30 years old, no piercings or tats. But I qualify as a millennial. I’ve voted R in every presidential election since 2004.


109 posted on 12/05/2013 11:05:08 PM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: lentulusgracchus

Well, maybe not a DD214, but some standard. Oh, active duty military ID for anyone under 21.

Ok

And landowners or mortgage holders only something like that. Welfare disqualifies voting. Conflict of interest. Ditto ebt


110 posted on 12/05/2013 11:11:10 PM PST by stanne
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To: SisterK
Reckon I am half way between baby boomer and generation x (whatever that is).

Boomers are people who were born between World War II and January 1, 1965. X'ers were born between 1965 and ~1982. The generation succeeding, Gen. Y (q.v. in Wiki; also called "Millennials"), was born from 1982 to (about) 2001 (2005, by some), or since we're dealing in Phenomena and Turning Points, 9/11. Arguably.

I'm not sure what label will be stuck on Generation Z, but they're kids born in this century. Terms like "digital natives" and "plurals" (representing a post-American America only 55% Caucasian and least-believing in any "American Dream" -- Obama's kind of kids!) have been bandied around, but nothing has stuck yet.

111 posted on 12/05/2013 11:12:21 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: erod
Chicago is lost until we rid this city of the Socialist Democratic Party robots. With the abundance of illegals, because Chicago is a sanctuary city thanx to Rahm Emanuel, and with the large number of leftists in govt., the arts, etc. like rats and roaches, they need to be destroyed, b/4 this city has a chance to flourish. The black population of “revruns” and generational welfare types pose a problem..they're all on the take, don't play well with others, are the source of all crime in the city, and listening to Chicago police calls will confirm this. They want their cut and perks, and so graft and greed and thuggery is the norm in this city. I have my memories of good days in the 40s and 50s in this city, but it started going down in the 1960s, and now it looks shabby and run down, unless you live in the gentrified areas of the city. Don't know how, don't know when, but I do hope for a return of the city my grandfather knew of, he being a blacksmith for the Union Stock Yards in Chicago in the 1900s, full of hope and hard work, love of family, belief in God and country, and grateful for the wonderful opportunities the USA offered him when he emigrated to the USA from Lithuania and communist rulers. And to that prayer I say Amen.
112 posted on 12/05/2013 11:24:39 PM PST by itssme
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To: lentulusgracchus

>>>It would bring them out in the open and deprive them of concealment.

They’re already out in the open and they’re not concealing anything. They openly and proudly agree with the Communist Manifesto and sympathize completely with it. They all agree with the old excuse that “communism is great in theory, but unfortunately, bad people came to power under it.” They don’t understand — or don’t want to understand — that ONLY bad people can come to power under communism.


113 posted on 12/06/2013 12:00:13 AM PST by GoodDay
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To: Faith65
Consider though, that something could happen (civil unrest/ false flag event) and martial law ensues whereby the elections are suspended.

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin.

Allow me to restate that number: 600,000!

Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world (that’s more men under arms than in Iran. More than France and Germany combined).

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000 hunters.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

Then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It's millions more. In fact, armed American citizens number about 100,000,000 by best estimates. Those 100 million own approximately 300 million firearms.

The point?

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion or domestic despotism with that kind of home-grown firepower!

Hunting... it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.

114 posted on 12/06/2013 12:01:20 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Hunt-a-traitor?


115 posted on 12/06/2013 12:04:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Smedley
I still want them to suffer ten more years for their stupidity. They turned off their brains in the name of liberal idealism. They should feel the effects of such actions until they’ll never forget.

Obama has guaranteed that they'll never forget. This week he doubled down on Obamacare when he stated that it will never be repealed as long as he's in office.

He's sentenced the whole country to a degree of pain and suffering that we haven't witnessed in living memory. It won't be soon forgotten, and his party will pay dearly for it for decades to come.

116 posted on 12/06/2013 12:05:14 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Evil has to get this obvious, sometimes, before we will learn that there is a better way to go.


117 posted on 12/06/2013 12:07:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Windflier

Good morning.

I have already heard those numbers. One can only hope and pray that our republic can be saved before it’s too late.


118 posted on 12/06/2013 12:09:51 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Biggirl
Prediction: Hillary will not run, simply because for one of two reasons, by 2016, she will either have health issues or focus her new title: grandmother.

Indeed. Hillary will be 69 in 2016. Practically a septuagenarian. The years haven't been kind to her. By the time the next election rolls around, she'll look like death warmed over. She's not far from that now.

She's also been on the national stage for far too long. She's had as long a career as some of the longest serving congress critters. They can get away with staying in gov't service that long because we don't often see or hear about most of them. Hillary, on the other hand, has been in the news nearly every month since 1992. That has created a certain fatigue factor on the part of the public. Americans don't do 'royalty' all that well.

Another Freeper called her the "Kim Kardashian of American politics". In other words, she's famous for being famous. She has no real accomplishments to recommend her to the office of President.

If Hillary were an up-and-coming young Democrat Senator, bursting with newness and fresh ideas, she might have a chance, but she's everything but that.

119 posted on 12/06/2013 12:16:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: albie
Similar to youth sobering up during Carter years. Vote like a fool, graduate, no jobs, suddenly awake.

That's a great insight. I was that youth you just described, and it sure as hell woke me up. I didn't vote for the Rs right away, but I was lost to the Dems for good after Carter.

120 posted on 12/06/2013 12:18:33 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: PROCON
If 0bama and the 'rats don't have the "yute" vote in 2014, the Senate goes to the 'pubs; at least that kills 0bozo's agenda thru 2016.

In order to kill Obama's agenda, the GOP needs to win 2/3 of the Senate. In order for Obama's agenda to be solidified, he needs the House. Likely outcome: GOP wins more of the House, wins majority of the Senate, but not two thirds. Zero is still the President, but can get zero done. But neither can the GOP pass any meaningful legislation. Nor can they enact critical personnel changes (2/3 of the Senate needed for that, LOL).

So, indecision, nastiness, and rancor will characterize 2015 and 2016. The question, then, is, how will the GOP be positioned to pick up the pieces for the 2016 election? Ideally, the Donks will nominate Herself, the globe-trotting Hildebeest, legendary heroine of Benghazi.

But there is a lot of time for the Donks to come up with a better strategy.

121 posted on 12/06/2013 12:19:19 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Smedley
Sometimes the only solution is to let liberals burn their own cities to the ground with mismanagement as an example, and hope there are enough intelligent voters to notice causation

Libs have been burning their cities to the ground since LBJ's time and they haven't gotten a clue yet. They won't get a clue, either, until they've destroyed every city in America.

When there's no longer a productive class for them to feed on, only then will they realize that their Socialist utopia is a death trap.

Do you really think we ought to let them burn through the whole country just to prove a point? I'd rather that the healthy red states politically separate themselves from the horde long enough for them to wake up to reality. Secession would accomplish that faster (and with less bloodshed) than anything I can think of.

Let them starve in their liberal paradise long enough, and they'll come begging to be re-admitted to the real America. When we do reunite the country, it'll be on OUR terms.

122 posted on 12/06/2013 12:27:20 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EDINVA
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that the “yout” vote will go R. I fear they will just turn off to politics altogether. At least until such time as they become working heads of households with a coupla kids, i.e., grownups.

I think you're absolutely correct. That is the exact track that I followed in my own maturing process. I'm now watching my thirty-something children follow the same road. They haven't truly arrived yet, but they're on the way.

123 posted on 12/06/2013 12:32:50 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Faith65
I have already heard those numbers. One can only hope and pray that our republic can be saved before it’s too late.

Well, it won't end with a declaration of martial law and the suspension of elections like you postulated. There simply isn't the force and manpower to accomplish that, when a hundred million citizens are armed to the teeth.

These are perilous times, but I know we'll get through them.

124 posted on 12/06/2013 12:42:58 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Hunt-a-traitor?

There'll be millions of Henry Bowmans if the little traitors keep pushing it.

125 posted on 12/06/2013 12:44:34 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Chgogal
if 2014 goes wrong

Somehow totally unthinkable --though I'll admit I was unprepared for 2012.  The smart move may end up being to just expect more decades of muddle and we'll be commuting back and forth...

126 posted on 12/06/2013 3:02:30 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Faith65
Consider though, that something could happen (civil unrest/ false flag event) and martial law ensues whereby the elections are suspended.

If there are no elections, there is no Constitution. If there is not Constitution there is no law. If there is no law, nothing is illegal.

Get it?

127 posted on 12/06/2013 3:06:21 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: itssme

It would be nice to see it to back to the way it was, but it never will be. Hey, I seriously want to move to Texas, but the drawback to that is, is that I would be leaving my family and my gf’s family(soon to be fiance’s family behind). My brother might be a cop in Milwaukee soon, I think we’ll all be moving to Wisconsin soon, it’s not Texas, but it’s a whole hell of a lot better than IL.


128 posted on 12/06/2013 4:21:30 AM PST by erod (I'm a Chicagoan till Chicago ends...)
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To: Windflier; cynwoody

I never said that was the endgame. My comment was based on the OP original comment.


129 posted on 12/06/2013 4:22:06 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Windflier

Family dinners sure are fun with our lib “kids,” aren’t they? You and I have the benefit, at least, of our own misspent youth.

What I never ‘get’ is that so many conservatives’ kids go thru their liberal period but I’ve only once seen a liberal family’s kids go conservative.


130 posted on 12/06/2013 6:28:11 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Windflier
>>>”Hunting..... not a way to fill the freezer, it's national security”>>>>>

I like the way you think. I wish I had a bumpersticker that said that!

131 posted on 12/06/2013 6:36:08 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
”Hunting..... not a way to fill the freezer, it's national security”

I like the way you think. I wish I had a bumpersticker that said that!

Well, I wish I'd actually said it, but it's something I got in email. Still, it expresses something that I've been saying here for years.

132 posted on 12/06/2013 11:32:35 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EDINVA
so many conservatives’ kids go thru their liberal period but I’ve only once seen a liberal family’s kids go conservative.

I think there's a lot of truth in that. Out of seven siblings who were raised in a liberal environment, I'm the only one who escaped to Realville.

133 posted on 12/06/2013 11:42:37 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Faith65
I never said that was the endgame.

So what is the endgame? In your opinion, of course.

134 posted on 12/06/2013 12:09:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: erod
Do you know of any conservative towns in Wisconsin? I was shocked to watch a documentary on Wisconsin public TV (I live near the Wisconsin border) about how socialism got it's big foothold in Wisconsin. This has been a lefty state for many, many years.

I agree with you that Chicago is dead until they get rid of the Socialist Democratic Party. Too many people in Chicago are dependent on the lefty Democrats for their sustenance. The government in Illinois is rotten to the core.

135 posted on 12/06/2013 12:09:36 PM PST by itssme
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To: PGR88

They really don’t like the NSA watching everything they do. I think that’s what’s really got them bugged.


136 posted on 12/06/2013 6:50:28 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl
I'm surprised to hear that.

I thought most millenials aspire to live the "Life of Julia" and were more than happy to have Uncle Baraq along for the ride.


137 posted on 12/06/2013 6:55:00 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: ScottinVA

They don’t vote in midterms anyway.


138 posted on 12/06/2013 6:58:07 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: bill1952
doe!
139 posted on 12/06/2013 7:00:53 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: PROCON

The kiddies are upset that Obama hasn’t paid off their school loans, given them enough for their ADHD disability and made homosexuality the national passtime. I’m confident that he’ll address all these issues soon.


140 posted on 12/06/2013 7:10:42 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Windflier

War


141 posted on 12/07/2013 1:00:00 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Faith65
Consider though, that something could happen (civil unrest/ false flag event) and martial law ensues whereby the elections are suspended.

Can't suspend elections. It's unconstitutional.

But if you do suspend the Constitution, then there is no law, and, therefore, nothing is illegal.

But there will remain those who swore to uphold that Constitution!


If your country has been taken over by commies, you need Gus.

142 posted on 12/07/2013 1:21:37 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody; Windflier

What do each of you think will happen to America’s future??


143 posted on 12/07/2013 7:48:59 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: PROCON

Who cares? Even big media is slamming obama . It just takes focus off the dems who let him screw up the country . These articles are a distraction, nothing more.


144 posted on 12/07/2013 10:55:16 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Faith65

There better be a wave in 2014 — hopefully even bigger than 2010.


145 posted on 12/07/2013 12:26:51 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

That’s it?


146 posted on 12/07/2013 1:31:11 PM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Faith65
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147 posted on 12/07/2013 1:49:44 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Faith65
What do each of you think will happen to America’s future?

The question is too open ended to have just one answer. The future will be full of the same ups and downs as the past.

For the country, I believe that it will survive, and over the long haul, even prosper. Look to history to see how we'll get there.

148 posted on 12/07/2013 2:59:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Ok-
but what about in the next 4 years?


149 posted on 12/07/2013 3:22:08 PM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Faith65
Ok- but what about in the next 4 years?

I've lost the thread of why you and I are even conversing.

Are these leading questions you're asking me? Do you have some point you're trying to make, or are you genuinely curious about my opinion?

150 posted on 12/07/2013 5:09:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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