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LeDuff: A Detroit labor war is breaking out over pension funds
myfoxdetroit.com ^ | Dec 05, 2013 | Charlie LeDuff

Posted on 12/06/2013 5:25:10 AM PST by cripplecreek

Detroit's workers and retirees are no longer just fighting the emergency manager over their pensions - they're fighting each other.

Fox 2's Charlie LeDuff explains the two Detroit pension funds: one for police and fire and the other for other city employees such as secretaries and janitors (known as the General Retirement System).


City workers explain why they don't want to be lumped in the same pension category.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; detroit; unions
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And now the infighting begins.

Full video report at site.

1 posted on 12/06/2013 5:25:10 AM PST by cripplecreek
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To: cripplecreek

Life may be rough these days, but we do get Schadenfreude circuses to watch! Bring on the subsidized popcorn.


2 posted on 12/06/2013 5:26:34 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: cripplecreek

SOCIALISM: Works great until you run out of someone else’s money. M. Thatcher


3 posted on 12/06/2013 5:27:00 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Unions fighting each other in Detroit now. Some unions have more money than others and now the poorer union wants a cut.

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4 posted on 12/06/2013 5:27:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I feel bad for these folks but their position is no different than any other company that goes under. The business they chose to work for, Detroit, was poorly managed and now the results of that malfeasance is showing up.


5 posted on 12/06/2013 5:28:05 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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Agreed, I don’t blame them for being angry but there’s no reason others should suffer for their own mistakes.

I am glad to see conservative ideas popping up in Detroit. The only help the democrats will ever offer is to take the money from others. Conservative ideas can give them the tools to help themselves and the whole country will be better off for it.


6 posted on 12/06/2013 5:33:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Will they riot?


7 posted on 12/06/2013 5:38:38 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: ealgeone

Probably every one of them voted for the corrupt leadership of Detroit, and never demanded accountability. And they are probably among those who cheered on Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick for “taking it to da man” by livin’ large. They criticized Dennis Archer for what amounted to “actin’ too white.” (Responsible). They found out too late that they were da man. I do not feel sorry for them.


8 posted on 12/06/2013 5:38:50 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: cripplecreek
The answer, so crazy that it might work:

Set up an enterprise zone including the bridges to Canada, the shoreline and a nice chunk of adjacent land. Move all people out of it. Hand it over to Canada on a 99year lease. Canada would pay Detroit money that went directly to pensions and public safety. During that time, the pensioners would die off and what's left of Detroit would benefit from enterprise zone jobs going to residents.

Nobody's that bold.

9 posted on 12/06/2013 5:45:40 AM PST by grania
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To: grania

Just sell the art from the art museum.
Divide up the spoils...


10 posted on 12/06/2013 5:53:28 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"Will they riot?"

How could you tell? :-)

11 posted on 12/06/2013 5:56:28 AM PST by Average Al
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To: cripplecreek

They always end up eating their own - employees should have known for sometime that the jig was up and the promises were unsustainable!


12 posted on 12/06/2013 6:03:52 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Average Al

Hopefully they will cancel each other out!


13 posted on 12/06/2013 6:09:49 AM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: gr8eman

This week on Labor Union Deathmatch: SEIU vs. .... The UAW!

Who wins?

(answer: the American public)


14 posted on 12/06/2013 6:19:53 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: grania
Nobody's that bold.

In a sense that's exactly what Rand Paul is proposing as a pilot program that can be extended to other port cities and beyond. He says he wants to see them cut all business and personal taxes to 5%. Since Michigan and Detroit already allow private competition with many city services, its likely that private contractors will take over many of them.

Saginaw cut their city employees from 500 down to 20 with private contractors hiring most of the employees.
15 posted on 12/06/2013 6:24:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
The thing is, I wouldn't trust Detroit with anything. Canada running the shoreline economy would keep the money out of their hands. If the money went directly from Canada to that pension obligation and to public safety it could be kept away from the corruption.

The pension problems are more manageable than they seem, if they just raise what employees pay in and lower their payout for people still working.

16 posted on 12/06/2013 6:54:37 AM PST by grania
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To: grania

You can’t constitutionally cede American territory to anyone. There was an investor who offered $1 billion for Belle Isle and turn it into a free market territory. The constitutional aspect was one argument against.

The best option is for the state to take control of it. One of the good things about Michigan (usually) is the power the state holds over the cities.

The fact is that there is a lot of economic movement in Detroit with lots of big money players involved but its the small businesses that need to be freed to do business. Detroit is the second busiest inland port on the continent only a little behind Laredo and the only reason its in the shape it is is because of the democrats.

I’ve got a Reagan attitude about it and say its time to do more than draw a line in the sand. I say we step over the line and start retaking ground.


17 posted on 12/06/2013 7:08:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

No doubt that the great and powerful, Baroch, will save them. Unless there is no upside.


18 posted on 12/06/2013 7:47:24 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: cripplecreek

A war in Detroit?

Who could tell?


19 posted on 12/06/2013 7:48:02 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: tanknetter

“This week on Labor Union Deathmatch: SEIU vs. .... The UAW”

The SEIU is moving into Texas. There are a few jobs listed in San Antonio. I already sent them a few bogus resumes and cover letters.

We should flood them with letters.


20 posted on 12/06/2013 7:48:30 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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