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The Once Great City of Havana
World Affairs Journal ^ | 12-3-2013 | Michael J. Totten

Posted on 12/07/2013 5:40:38 PM PST by TChad

“Havana is like Pompeii and Castro is its Vesuvius.” – Anthony Daniels

Almost every picture I’ve ever seen of Cuba’s capital shows the city in ruins. Una Noche, the 2012 gut punch of a film directed by Lucy Mulloy, captures in nearly every shot the savage decay of what was once the Western Hemisphere’s most beautiful city.

So I was stunned when I saw the restored portion of Old Havana for the first time.

It is magnificent. And it covers a rather large area. A person could wander around there all day, and I did. At first glance you could easily mistake it for Europe and could kid yourself into thinking Cuba is doing just fine.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Cuba; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: castro; cuba; socialism; totten
Come on MSM, let's hear again about Cuba's wonderful free education and health care.
1 posted on 12/07/2013 5:40:38 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

Sounds so much like Detroit.


2 posted on 12/07/2013 5:56:51 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: RS_Rider
Sounds so much like Detroit.

From the link:

“In most countries,” I said, “no one has to live in a slum. It’s difficult to get out, but it’s possible to get out. Here people get twenty dollars a month and a ration card and that’s it. They’re forced by law to be poor. Exile is the only way out.”

3 posted on 12/07/2013 6:02:08 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

The misery is self-inflicted in Detroit.
I guess that makes it worse...the stupidity of liberalism has no bounds.


4 posted on 12/07/2013 6:07:19 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: RS_Rider

I’m about a hundred miles from havana.
Most of those who could have helped cuba got out. Communism never works. No better example than Kuba.


5 posted on 12/07/2013 6:07:20 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: TChad
What a great article.

If I were a father living in Cuba trying to feed my family and had the CDR make my life a living hell every time I happened upon a black market piece of meat, or milk for my children, you can bet your ass that the first guy I’m coming for once the government goes down is that CDR SOB that’s been snitching on me for years.

6 posted on 12/07/2013 6:07:44 PM PST by PGR88
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To: TChad

I remember that film of San Fran before the big quake and there was an old film of London before the Muzzies, both were quite remarkable.


7 posted on 12/07/2013 6:08:06 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: TChad

Nelson Mandela thought it was wonderful


8 posted on 12/07/2013 6:14:34 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: TChad

The *All You Need is Love* painting looks like the old Obamacare girl.


9 posted on 12/07/2013 6:15:31 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: rodguy911

Unless we radically change the course we are on, this is what America will soon resemble, not just Havana and Detroit.
We have the leadership that can make it happen.


10 posted on 12/07/2013 6:19:50 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: Irenic

11 posted on 12/07/2013 6:23:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Michael Moore thinks it’s great, too.


12 posted on 12/07/2013 6:25:07 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: TChad

I would love to visit Havana if I knew it was safe. Not sure. Same for North Korea. Fascinating(and sad) how those societies function.


13 posted on 12/07/2013 6:25:35 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Nelson Mandela thought it was wonderful

Perhaps the funeral will provide us with heartwarming photos showing Barack embracing Raúl.

Dare we hope for Fidel himself?

14 posted on 12/07/2013 6:27:19 PM PST by TChad
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To: RS_Rider

Gotta get rid of the commies first,2014 and 201 are huge.You can be sure they already have their strategies we need ours.


15 posted on 12/07/2013 6:29:25 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: cornfedcowboy

North Korea does not function


16 posted on 12/07/2013 6:32:03 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: TChad
From the article, and sooooo true:

If Cuba had free enterprise, and if Americans could travel there without restrictions, the economy would go supernova.

I'd like to see that.

17 posted on 12/07/2013 6:39:16 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: cornfedcowboy
I would love to visit Havana if I knew it was safe.

It's probably safe, but very depressing.

I know several people who have gone. None of them experienced any problems. All of them are leftists who approved of the Cuban government. One of them, probably the farthest left of the bunch, was quite happy with the prostitutes. It takes a special sort of person to approve of a form of government that forces women into prostitution.

18 posted on 12/07/2013 6:44:23 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

*mega bump*

That was a great read. What a tragedy Cuba is.


19 posted on 12/07/2013 7:14:51 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: jeffc
I'd like to see that.

Not while either Castro is still in charge.

20 posted on 12/07/2013 7:32:49 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: PGR88
they shouldn't wait till then...
21 posted on 12/07/2013 7:51:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: rodguy911

I’m right behind you brother!


22 posted on 12/07/2013 7:59:00 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: TChad
“Until full democracy is restored,” he told me,” I will never set foot in my native land

Got news for ya, in far less than a generation full Democracy will bring you right back to the point where you find Cuba now.

23 posted on 12/07/2013 8:00:41 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Went on a mission trip there and felt really safe walking the streets but we were in the tourist section.

I’m sure there are other areas that aren’t as safe but then I won’t walk most areas of St Louis.


24 posted on 12/07/2013 8:00:53 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: TChad
Hussein would have a big smile for sure!

25 posted on 12/07/2013 8:05:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Chode; BenLurkin
They created mechanics out of necessity.

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26 posted on 12/07/2013 8:07:46 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: BenLurkin
Oh, we're just friends...


27 posted on 12/07/2013 8:13:44 PM PST by TChad
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To: Zeneta

That is a beautiful car.


28 posted on 12/07/2013 8:18:50 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Zeneta
a time capsule... and damn if that doesn't look like a NY plate
29 posted on 12/07/2013 8:29:05 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Except it says CUBA.

Other than that.


30 posted on 12/07/2013 8:31:19 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
you have better eyes than mine my FRiend...
31 posted on 12/07/2013 8:41:39 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: TChad
"Come on MSM, let's hear again about Cuba's wonderful free education and health care."

Oh yah, and let's hear from Fat A$$(Michael Moore), and Speilberg, and all the other millionaire leftist creeps, about what a great guy Castro is, and how the USA should be more like Cuba.

Why don't all these lefties just move there, if they think it's so freakin great?

Better not let the democrat party read too much about Cuba=it's their wet dream government.

Also, somebody should tell the poor here , about Cuba - and that is what our USA will end up like, if we don't soon get off the democrat "income equality" crazy train. (i.e.in Cuba everybody "earns" $20 per month-no matter what their job/education is-equal poverty for everyone. Joy.)

Empowering your government to take care of your every need is a recipe for disaster.

Great Article BUMP

32 posted on 12/07/2013 8:44:09 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: RS_Rider

This reminds me of Communism all around the world - every dollar is available to hype the dictator yet no money is available for annual maintenance. Consequently, after years of neglect, buildings begin to crumble - it’s been common knowledge in Havana for years that it’s not safe to go to the 2nd or higher floor in any aged building because you’re likely to fall thru the floor. If you’re a foreigner and have to go to a hospital, be aware that Cuba’s celebrated health care system is not free TO YOU; they don’t take American Express, but they will happily accept Visa. PS: it ain’t that cheap or that good.

In Vietnam, want clean sheets? $1 please (American currency not local currency). Want an unused needle? $1 please. Insist on sterile, unused surgical instruments? Well, that’s extra.


33 posted on 12/07/2013 8:51:40 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: cornfedcowboy

I have been to Havana (in my dreams) and it is very safe. It is a wonderful city full of wonderful architecture and people. Would go back in a heartbeat. If you can go do so.


34 posted on 12/07/2013 9:22:45 PM PST by sheana
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To: TChad

The media are natural liars. The truth is their socialist dreams destroy cities and countries, not in some vague sense, but in the real harm done to living human beings degraded by socialism. They won’t fathom that. Think of the ego that could ignore so much suffering.


35 posted on 12/08/2013 6:06:23 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TChad

In Navy and 18y/o when my carrier left shipyard in early 1961 and transited to GITMO Bay area of the Carrib for carrier trials and pilot quals.

Older hands had been there before Havana was closed to shore liberty and told many yarns about the casinos, nightclubs, bars, restaurants and women. All were great and safe.

The Mafia mobs had heavy investments (and revenue) from ownership of those establishments, tourism from the USA and payments to the Cuban government.

When access by Americans to Havana was cut off (wasn’t that JFK?), the Mafia was stiffed and Havana shriveled. The Cubans no longer had that influx of US $$.

I still strongly feel that such actions by JFK and RFK led to their deaths by order of the Mafia. .....jmo


36 posted on 12/08/2013 6:29:21 AM PST by octex
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To: cornfedcowboy

My brother in law is with the state dept and he was in Cuba a couple of years ago visiting our non embassy on business. He took some great video of Havana and I got a chance to see it. Very interesting. All the old vintage cars driving around are wild.


37 posted on 12/08/2013 10:58:19 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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