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Here Are 6 Moments From Mandela's Marxist Past That You Won't Hear On CNN [link only]
Huffington Post (link only) | December 6, 2013

Posted on 12/07/2013 10:03:59 PM PST by grundle

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/06/nelson-mandela-marxist_n_4399998.html


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KEYWORDS: communism; magicnegro; marxism; nelsonmandela
Mandela wanted South Africa to adopt economic policies which have been a proven disaster everywhere they have ever been tried, such as Cuba, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, China, and the Soviet Union.

He seems to have seriously believed that these policies make people better off, and chose to ignore all of the real world evidence to the contrary.

1 posted on 12/07/2013 10:03:59 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle
adopt economic policies which have been a proven disaster everywhere they have ever been tried

No wonder the Press dent admires him so.

2 posted on 12/07/2013 10:05:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: grundle

Surprised that such a story is up on the Huffington Post. I thought they were very lefty friendly.


3 posted on 12/07/2013 10:12:58 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: grundle
He seems to have seriously believed that these policies make people better off, and chose to ignore all of the real world evidence to the contrary.

So typical of leftists. Their harebrained theories always trump reality, experience, and empirical evidence, in their minds.

4 posted on 12/07/2013 10:14:24 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Oh, they are.


5 posted on 12/07/2013 10:15:58 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I wonder if HuffPo thought the title was “Six Great Moments from Mandela’s Past”. And then agreed!


6 posted on 12/07/2013 10:23:17 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: GeronL

“President Ronald Reagan was a staunch ally of Mandela’s apartheid captors.”

LIAR!


7 posted on 12/07/2013 10:24:37 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: GeronL
Oh, they are.

So why are they posting the truth about one of their leftist icons?

8 posted on 12/07/2013 10:28:14 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 21twelve

Entries from the Reagan Diary:

(Source: http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/08/17/reagan-diaries-detested-apartheid-but-refused-to-support-sanctions-never-mentions-mandela)

March 30, 1983

Pres. Kaunda of Zambia arrived. A good meeting & lunch. I think he feels good about the trip. We made clear we detest Apartheid but believe we can do better with S. Africa by persuasion—

Monday, November 24

Met with Zulu Chief Buthelezi of S. Africa. I admire him greatly. I told him I was not a fan of Bishop Tutu.

Friday December 7, 1984

Bishop Tutu of S. Africa came in. I’m sure he is sincere in his belief that we should turn our back on S.A. & take actions such as sanctions to bring about a change in race relations. He is naïve. We’ve made considerable progress with quiet diplomacy. There are S. Africans who want an end to Apartheid & I think they understand what we are doing. American owned firms in S.A. treat their employees as they would in Am. This has meant a tremendous improvement for thousands & thousands of S.A. Blacks. There have been other improvements but there is still a long way to go. The Bishop seems unaware, even though he himself is Black, that part of the problem is tribal not racial. If apartheid ended now there still would be civil strife between the Black tribes.

December 14, 1984

Billy Graham for dinner tonight. Very interesting— his experiences in the Soviet U. & S. Africa. He questions the stature of Bishop Tutu.

January 21, 1985

It seems like Monday but then yesterday seemed like Sunday. Geo. Bush reported on his day in Atlanta— the various programs celebrating Martin Luther King, Jr.’ s birthday. Bishop TUTU of S. Africa took advantage of the day to kick me & our admin. around.

Monday, February 4

Met with So. African Chief of Zulus, Gatsha Buthelezi. He’s a very impressive man— well educated & while dedicated to ending apartheid in S. Africa still is well balanced & knows it will take time. I’d quoted him in my own speeches before I ever met him.

Wednesday, June 11th

Staff briefings— this time with Sec. Shultz on hand. Some discussion of S. Africa & the legislation some in Cong. are cooking up to have us take extreme actions like taking Am. investment out of S.A.— Sanctions etc. Of course then we’d have no contact or ability to help rid them of apartheid. Besides Am. investment is only 1% of S.A. investment.

Friday, July 26

Staff meetings here in W.H. & then an NSC meeting in the old treaty room. Subject S. Africa. We’ve quietly influenced the S.A. G. to a number of changes benefitting Blacks. Now our Congress yielding to demonstrations, etc. is debating legislation to impose sanctions on S.A. Govt. We’re opposed. It isn’t a solution to the problem of apartheid & it will hurt the very Blacks we’re trying to help. I think we’re all agreed on continuing & even stepping up our present program but resisting the other. We’re off to Camp David. From there I’ll call Margaret Thatcher at George Bushes house— sorry we can’t get together while she’s here.

September 9, 1985

Saw our Ambas. off on his return to S. Africa. Then at 10: 30 I went before the press & read a statement about the exec. order I would sign listing things we were going to do with regard to Apartheid in S. Africa. Many were things included in the Cong. bill calling for sanctions. I explained these were things I would agree to but eliminated parts of the bill I did not favor & that I would veto the bill if it came to my desk. This wouldn’t have been necessary if I had line item veto.

Congress eventually overrode Reagan’s veto of the bill to impose sanctions. After this, there’s no mention again from 1986 to Reagan’s exit in January 1989 of South Africa or apartheid:

October 2, 1986

Today’s Senate vote should not be viewed as the final chapter in America’s efforts, along with our allies, to address the plight of the people of South Africa. Instead, it underscores that America — and that means all of us — opposes apartheid, a malevolent and archaic system totally alien to our ideals. The debate, which culminated in today’s vote, was not whether or not to oppose apartheid but, instead, how best to oppose it and how best to bring freedom to that troubled country.

I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto of the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986. Punitive sanctions, I believe, are not the best course of action; they hurt the very people they are intended to help. My hope is that these punitive sanctions do not lead to more violence and more repression. Our administration will, nevertheless, implement the law. It must be recognized, however, that this will not solve the serious problems that plague that country. The United States must also move forward with positive measures to encourage peaceful change and advance the cause of democracy in South Africa.

Now is the time for South Africa’s Government to act with courage and good sense to avert a crisis. Moderate black leaders who are committed to democracy and oppose revolutionary violence are ready to work for peaceful change. They should not be kept waiting. It would be tragic to lose this opportunity to create a truly free society which respects the rights of the majority, the minority, and the individual. There is still time for orderly change and peaceful reform. South Africans of good will, black and white, should seize the moment.

Note: H.R. 4868, which passed over the President’s veto on October 2, was assigned Public Law No. 99 – 440.


9 posted on 12/07/2013 10:28:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Windflier

At Huffpo, they are saying that in admiration.


10 posted on 12/07/2013 10:29:28 PM PST by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: Windflier

I guess someone there “gets it” occasionally or maybe they let the other side be heard once in a long while.


11 posted on 12/07/2013 10:29:38 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: 21twelve

the lies are abundant


12 posted on 12/07/2013 10:29:55 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: grundle

Make no mistake, the media is taking advantage of Mandela’s death to get one last jab in at Reagan and Thatcher.


13 posted on 12/07/2013 10:30:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Windflier

They have good intentions, so, it doesn’t matter if they get results or not. They’re still more moral than conservatives who didn’t even try for utopia.


14 posted on 12/07/2013 10:35:16 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: dfwgator

“It isn’t a solution to the problem of apartheid & it will hurt the very Blacks we’re trying to help.” (Reagan)

Sadly he was right. The murders of blacks is sky high compared to what is was under apartheid. Robbery, rape, etc. is also sky high among blacks.


15 posted on 12/07/2013 10:36:11 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Windflier

“Surprised that such a story is up on the Huffington Post. I thought they were very lefty friendly”........lots of unfriendly obama stuff lately....Mary Matalin’s serpenthead said barry is a disaster, I paraphrase. several others like that too. democrat running for governor of michigan says he wants to look @ the eligibility of barry.. are they all abandoning barry?


16 posted on 12/07/2013 10:39:51 PM PST by stickywillie (how come there are no father-in-law jokes?)
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To: mfish13

That’s the way it hit me too.


17 posted on 12/07/2013 10:53:15 PM PST by aquila48
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To: mfish13
At Huffpo, they are saying that in admiration.

Now that makes sense.

18 posted on 12/07/2013 10:56:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Surprised that such a story is up on the Huffington Post. I thought they were very lefty friendly.

They are - they think his Marxism is a good thing.

19 posted on 12/07/2013 10:59:04 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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serpenthead said barry is a disaster, I paraphrase. several others like that too.

I saw a quote here from some lib who's been inside Barry's secure perimeter which claimed that he's got no friends. I thought that was a very interesting observation. It gives insight to why he lets down everyone who's ever trusted him, including his staunchest supporters.

I suppose that many who've befriended him have found that he doesn't reciprocate that friendship and support. In the end, he's just a callous narcissist who only finds others to be useful for as long as they're of some benefit to his ambitions. As soon as they've outlived their usefulness, he jettisons them without a single thought.

I'll bet that a lot of libs in the elite echelon have discovered this to be true.

20 posted on 12/07/2013 11:08:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JediJones
They have good intentions, so, it doesn’t matter if they get results or not. They’re still more moral than conservatives who didn’t even try for utopia.

Leftists.....determined to build their glorious utopia, even if they have to kill every human on earth to do it.

21 posted on 12/07/2013 11:10:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GeronL
No, that's wrong. From the article:

Of course, official Communist Party membership is a much different thing than being heavily influenced by Marxism and socialism, which Mandela certainly was, to the great benefit of his people

When they call him a Marxist, they mean it as a compliment.

22 posted on 12/07/2013 11:11:00 PM PST by stormhill
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To: grundle

My family is from behind the Iron Curtain and lived Apartheid.

They were not Party members and could never live as well as those that were.


23 posted on 12/07/2013 11:40:46 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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Nope. I won’t click on Huffpo.

I won’t.


24 posted on 12/08/2013 2:07:33 AM PST by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: dfwgator

Good background; thanks!


25 posted on 12/08/2013 3:52:53 AM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: grundle

Interesting to read the comments under the article. If those comments are any indication, it appears a very sizable percentage of HuffPost posters are out and out communist/socialists.


26 posted on 12/08/2013 4:31:01 AM PST by driftless2
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To: mfish13

It still doesn’t make sense.

HuffPo, a lefty news org, tells us Mandela is a commie but that CNN, a commie news org, will not tell us that Mandela is a commie?


27 posted on 12/08/2013 11:36:03 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Right Wing Assault
123 Golden Cage Mandela's "golden cage" is in sharp contrast with the treatment given by his comrade, Fidel Castro, to Cuban political prisoners.
28 posted on 12/08/2013 2:47:31 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: grundle

Huf’n’puf badmouthing a Marxist? Snowstorm in Hell?


29 posted on 12/09/2013 7:14:37 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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