Skip to comments.Examiner Editorial: Obamacare will end up forcing doctors to take patients
Posted on 12/09/2013 8:00:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Just as cars cant go anywhere without drivers and employees cant work without bosses, health care doesnt happen when there are no doctors around. And when an estimated 70 percent of the doctors in the nations deepest-blue state are rebelling against Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act is forcing a critical decision: America will have to junk Obamacare and go back to square one on health insurance reform, or trash the last vestige of private health care in this country by forcing doctors to do the governments bidding.
The rebellion among California physicians was detailed earlier this week by Washington Examiner senior investigative reporter Richard Pollock. Independent insurance brokers who work with both insurance companies and doctor networks estimate that about 70 percent of California's 104,000 licensed doctors are boycotting the exchange, Pollock wrote. The president and speaker of the legislative body of the California Medical Association -- the Golden State chapter of the Obamacare-endorsing American Medical Association -- both confirmed to Pollock that the rebellion is widespread and intensely felt.
California's doctor rebellion isn't unique. Pollock previously reported comparable situations at 15 other locations around the country. Not only are thousands of doctors saying no to Obamacare, so are major health insurance providers, including United Healthcare, Aetna and Cigna, as well as some of the nation's most famous hospitals....
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Health Care died!
There’s going to be an open revolt in this country against Washington. It’s a city bent on destruction of freedom and free will. The foundation of a once great nation.
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When this came up on O’Reilly tonight, I told the TV set that “O crap, they left a loophole, that’ll have to get fixed”. I doubt they even considered that doctors might not want to be a part of Obamacare, but now that they know it some changes will be needed. Probably via the IRS, as even rebellious doctors might respond to a highly punitive tax on non-Obamacare income.
On the other hand, there are probably going to be some very nice sunny islands that have a very high doctor-patient ratio.
‘forced’ to work is the exact definition of slavery
follow Reagan’s advice...
JUST SAY (HELL) NO!!
If you don’t like your patients...you WILL keep them. Period.
Not a moment too soon of you ask me.
I’m not “buying” anything their selling. I’m not going to pay any fines, either. This ****” stops now. F*** all of them.
first they will entice doctors to sign up by paying their malpractice insurance or medical school debts for them. Then they are trapped.
Or the all-powerful state will crush you like a bug.
And a clear 1st (freedom of assembly), 13th amendment (involuntary servitude) and 14th amendment (equal protection clause) violation.
You are absolutely correct!
I can see it like it’s already happened. They’d be fools not to.
The docs should have spoken up four years ago, but they let the AMA, which represents less than 20% of physicians, speak for them. I would support a nationwide work stoppage by doctors, so long as they openly and vigorously condemn 0bamacare and unequivocally blame Pelosi, Reid and Homobama.
Thay’ll have to force physicians to stay physicians....
I quit when medicine was placed under State control some years ago, said Dr. Hendricks. Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I could not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everythingexcept the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the welfare of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, but to serve. That a mans willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyardsnever occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness at which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mindyet what is it they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims. Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents itand still less safe, if he is the sort who doesnt.
Ayn Rand, *Atlas Shrugged*
I think they will find that American MDs are not so easy to force into servitude.
They comprise a group that is more intelligent than average, more stubborn (stubborn is sometimes a virtue), more independent and very hard to intimidate.
First they came for my doctor...and I decided to stand along side him..come what may.
yes and we shuld not forget who foisted this on us, and who were willing executors - hhs, irs, et al - of this crap.
I wonder how many doctors they are willing to murder to force the others into slavery.
More union members is the reason unions have been trying to get nationalized healthcare for many years.
They’re just going to force good doctors out. Then they’ll have to replace them by taking over the medical schools and cranking out a bunch of poor, affirmative action replacements, which Barky sees as somehow a desirable outcome. White America is just going to sit there and take it rather than risk being called racist by the likes of Matthews. Effing country is doomed.
When the PO’ed doctors attend to a leftist politician I wonder what the fatality rate will be. I hope there will be a rash of reports of politicians choking on amputated genetals.
Then, they thought everyone would be on board because Obama is so great.
When you can force someone to work, isn’t that called slavery?
“By the time I moved to Cuba in 1997, there were serious shortages of medicine - from simple aspirin to more badly needed drugs.
Ironically, many medicines that cannot be found at a pharmacy are easily bought on the black market. Some doctors, nurses and cleaning staff smuggle the medicine out of the hospitals in a bid to make extra cash.
Although medical attention remains free, many patients did and still do bring their doctors food, money or other gifts to get to the front of the queue or to guarantee an appointment for an X-ray, blood test or operation.
If you do not have a contact or money to pay under the table, the waiting time for all but emergency procedures can be ridiculously long.
Many Cubans complain that top-level government and Communist Party officials have access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn.
And while the preventative healthcare system works well for children, women over the age of 40 are being shortchanged because yearly mammograms are not offered to the population at large.
I saw many hospitals where there was often no running water, the toilets did not flush, and the risk of infections - by the hospital’s own admission - was extremely high.
Healthcare for hard currency
In all fairness, in the past five years, the government has made great efforts to improve hospitals and health centres, but again, lack of resources is making the process painfully slow.
The system is free, but it is neither fast nor efficient for two important reasons. One is obviously the lack of financial resources, and the other - which is related to the first - is the “export” of doctors, nurses and dentists in exchange for hard currency.
Thousands of Cuban doctors go to Venezuela to provide primary healthcare there. Their tour of duty lasts a minimum of two years and they are paid approximately $50 a month, plus expenses. In exchange, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela’s president, sends Cuba petrol, part of which can be sold for hard currency.
When a friend of mine was unable to be operated on as scheduled, because there was no anesthesiologist available, “they are all in Venezuela” was a complaint I regularly heard.
Over the years, I have heard many complain about the deteriorating quality of the services offered. One of the problems is that no small number of Cuban doctors have left the country looking for better opportunities abroad. They are considered deserters.”
As they said in the Soviet Union, “ you pretend to pay, we pretend to work”. This will be the response of physicians to the involuntary servitude of 0-care. We know that Medicaid patients receive worse care than those w/o insurance, so how bad will it be when doctors are “forced” to see patients.
Well here is a solution suggested by a leftist recently. Doctors could simply do group visits to satisfy their quota of “seeing” 0-care patients. Just put 20-30 in a conference room and have patients fill out questionnaires and ask the doctor some questions. The whole thing will take about 30 minutes and the quota will be fulfilled.
Provider licenses are issued through the State Boards. The King will have to fight that out 57 times. No state mandates Medicaid/care participation (that I know of, anyway.)
Wrong. I can’t be forced to do anything. I will walk away from medical practice if need be. So will most other docs. Obama forgets that to get through medical school we are fairly intelligent and motivated people. We can find something else to do.
Well they now have racial quotas for med schools and some schools are cutting the degree to 3 years.
Yo Lurk... Tell us how you really feel.
We are living in interesting times. When the Dems tried to create Romney Care at the national level, big insurance companies salivated at the prospect. Forcing everyone to buy their product is a corporate wet dream. When Obama decided to drop the single payer (no insurance companies involved) to the exchange system like Romney Care, the insurance companies dropped opposition and joined the Dems in drawing up ACA.
Big money have been invested the last four years and the insurance companies want their big payoff. Problem is gov fumbled the website, lied about it to get it passed and now young people and doctors are opting out. Guess what when big gov is embarrassed and face the prospect of losing control and big business is not getting their big payoff, both will unite to use force and draconian methods to force compliance. For the Dems it is about saving face, but for big business (insurance) it is about money. Corporate America will kill or hurt for money, especially if failure hits them at the jugular. The 21st Century has become an American Facist Century where big business and big gov work together to screw and promote. Obamacare may expose this alliance and how ruthless both will go to get what they want. If the people wake up and revolt, two groups will hang side by side from the lamp posts of America, corporate CEO’s and big gov politicians.
Yes, the unions supported Obamacare and then obtained waivers from participating in it.
I think it will be tangential in its development. First the Federal government will require all physicians to become members of the “Federal Association of Physicians”. Then they will enact a law requiring, ‘in order to practice medicine all physicians will be required to join the “Federal Association of Physicians”. Then they will enact a law which requires in order to practice medicine, all members of the “Federal Association of Physicians” must not discriminate against any patient and is required to conform to the requirement that they treat any and all patients as prescribed by the act and agrees to comply , upon penalty of fine, and or imprisonment, to treat any patient coming to see him. If he refuses he forfeits membership in the”Federal Association of Physicians”, and thus cannot practice medicine on any patients in the states or territories of the United States of America.
I can see that happening too
Sure, but it would be grossly unethical, it would produce terrible medical results, and when Americans get bad medical results they sue. Also, after it happens a few times those unethical doctors would lose their licenses.
Sounds like a perfect leftist solution to me. It completely ignores reality.
That's the carrot. The stick will be IRS audits, blacklisting at hospitals, and threatening to jerk their license to practice medicine.
I left the country to practice overseas for at least the next 2 years .
Over 20 years of ER experience.
I think group visits will become mandatory under O-care actually.
doctors might not want to be a part of Obamacare,
In their own repugnant arrogance they know they can “create new rules and regs” in ObamaramaCare with Reid dealing the cards and Boehner asking how high.
Of course they will unionize. Doctors unionize in all socialized medical systems.
God bless you FRiend!
I hope that your future is bright, and unsullied by the mess that Obamacare is making of your noble profession.
(20 yrs in the ER...my God you have seen a lot of strange stuff)
The doctors will retire and those left will be medical technicians not doctors.
“Obamacare may expose this alliance and how ruthless both will go to get what they want. If the people wake up and revolt, two groups will hang side by side from the lamp posts of America, corporate CEOs and big gov politicians.”
I hope I live to see it! The RATs aren’t the only ones needing a lamp post.
How do they propose to enforce this if the doctors stick together? They could try to take away the licenses of 70% of physicians, but what then? Will Obamacare suddenly become a success if they do that?
Well, the IRS didn't hire those 16,000 more agents for no reason...
I think I’d look at the German system. There are doctors in Germany who will not take the state-run public insurance card. So you make an arrangement involving cash. The doctors who typically fall into this area....are your better-than-average doctors, who know they are better than what you get with the public clinic concept. The positive with the cash arrangement? You tend to get seen...even on short-notice.
Sit back and enjoy your Obamacare.
Then without tort reform those doctors will find themselves in an impossible position. They will bear the responsibility for bad results without having the authority to change the system that made those results inevitable.
I wrote the following and posted it before 0bamaCare became law.
Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?
Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."
That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?
Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.
Weiners view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate.
Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)