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Examiner Editorial: Obamacare will end up forcing doctors to take patients
The Washington Examiner ^ | December 6, 2013

Posted on 12/09/2013 8:00:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Just as cars can’t go anywhere without drivers and employees can’t work without bosses, health care doesn’t happen when there are no doctors around. And when an estimated 70 percent of the doctors in the nation’s deepest-blue state are rebelling against Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act is forcing a critical decision: America will have to junk Obamacare and go back to square one on health insurance reform, or trash the last vestige of private health care in this country by forcing doctors to do the government’s bidding.

The rebellion among California physicians was detailed earlier this week by Washington Examiner senior investigative reporter Richard Pollock. “Independent insurance brokers who work with both insurance companies and doctor networks estimate that about 70 percent of California's 104,000 licensed doctors are boycotting the exchange,” Pollock wrote. The president and speaker of the legislative body of the California Medical Association -- the Golden State chapter of the Obamacare-endorsing American Medical Association -- both confirmed to Pollock that the rebellion is widespread and intensely felt.

California's doctor rebellion isn't unique. Pollock previously reported comparable situations at 15 other locations around the country. Not only are thousands of doctors saying no to Obamacare, so are major health insurance providers, including United Healthcare, Aetna and Cigna, as well as some of the nation's most famous hospitals....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aca; compulsion; medicine; obamacare; obamacaredoctors; physicians; socialists; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 12/09/2013 8:00:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The doctors will be forced to join unions who will bargain for higher salaries and working conditions. The unions will come through for them and viola, we have a goal of the Rats-unionization of the entire now centrally controlled health care system.
2 posted on 12/09/2013 8:04:16 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama lied.

Health Care died!


3 posted on 12/09/2013 8:04:59 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s going to be an open revolt in this country against Washington. It’s a city bent on destruction of freedom and free will. The foundation of a once great nation.


4 posted on 12/09/2013 8:05:20 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Maine Mariner

Business Idea: Medship = Medical Tourism + Blueseed
http://thinkingmachineblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/business-idea-medship-medical-tourism-blueseed/


5 posted on 12/09/2013 8:05:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When this came up on O’Reilly tonight, I told the TV set that “O crap, they left a loophole, that’ll have to get fixed”. I doubt they even considered that doctors might not want to be a part of Obamacare, but now that they know it some changes will be needed. Probably via the IRS, as even rebellious doctors might respond to a highly punitive tax on non-Obamacare income.

On the other hand, there are probably going to be some very nice sunny islands that have a very high doctor-patient ratio.


6 posted on 12/09/2013 8:06:18 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘forced’ to work is the exact definition of slavery

screw them

follow Reagan’s advice...

JUST SAY (HELL) NO!!


7 posted on 12/09/2013 8:07:35 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

If you don’t like your patients...you WILL keep them. Period.


8 posted on 12/09/2013 8:09:02 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: ilgipper

Not a moment too soon of you ask me.

I’m not “buying” anything their selling. I’m not going to pay any fines, either. This ****” stops now. F*** all of them.


9 posted on 12/09/2013 8:09:05 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: bigbob

first they will entice doctors to sign up by paying their malpractice insurance or medical school debts for them. Then they are trapped.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 8:09:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Or the all-powerful state will crush you like a bug.

11 posted on 12/09/2013 8:10:06 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare Motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: sten

And a clear 1st (freedom of assembly), 13th amendment (involuntary servitude) and 14th amendment (equal protection clause) violation.


12 posted on 12/09/2013 8:10:54 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are absolutely correct!


13 posted on 12/09/2013 8:12:09 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Maine Mariner

I can see it like it’s already happened. They’d be fools not to.


14 posted on 12/09/2013 8:13:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The docs should have spoken up four years ago, but they let the AMA, which represents less than 20% of physicians, speak for them. I would support a nationwide work stoppage by doctors, so long as they openly and vigorously condemn 0bamacare and unequivocally blame Pelosi, Reid and Homobama.


15 posted on 12/09/2013 8:13:02 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thay’ll have to force physicians to stay physicians....

“I quit when medicine was placed under State control some years ago,” said Dr. Hendricks. “Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I could not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything—except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, but ‘to serve.’ That a man’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards—never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness at which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind—yet what is it they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims. Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it—and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn’t.”

—Ayn Rand, *Atlas Shrugged*


16 posted on 12/09/2013 8:16:58 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think they will find that American MDs are not so easy to force into servitude.

They comprise a group that is more intelligent than average, more stubborn (stubborn is sometimes a virtue), more independent and very hard to intimidate.

First they came for my doctor...and I decided to stand along side him..come what may.


17 posted on 12/09/2013 8:19:27 PM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: ilgipper

yes and we shuld not forget who foisted this on us, and who were willing executors - hhs, irs, et al - of this crap.


18 posted on 12/09/2013 8:22:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how many doctors they are willing to murder to force the others into slavery.


19 posted on 12/09/2013 8:26:15 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Maine Mariner

More union members is the reason unions have been trying to get nationalized healthcare for many years.


20 posted on 12/09/2013 8:26:47 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re just going to force good doctors out. Then they’ll have to replace them by taking over the medical schools and cranking out a bunch of poor, affirmative action replacements, which Barky sees as somehow a desirable outcome. White America is just going to sit there and take it rather than risk being called racist by the likes of Matthews. Effing country is doomed.


21 posted on 12/09/2013 8:32:19 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the PO’ed doctors attend to a leftist politician I wonder what the fatality rate will be. I hope there will be a rash of reports of politicians choking on amputated genetals.


22 posted on 12/09/2013 8:36:05 PM PST by MtnClimber (A utopia without freedom is just a fancy name for prison. - Dean Kalahar)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First, they could not build a proper website, you know with like security and being able to handle any sort of traffic without crashing.

Then, they thought everyone would be on board because Obama is so great.

Poor baby.


23 posted on 12/09/2013 8:37:22 PM PST by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you can force someone to work, isn’t that called slavery?


24 posted on 12/09/2013 8:39:15 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“By the time I moved to Cuba in 1997, there were serious shortages of medicine - from simple aspirin to more badly needed drugs.

Ironically, many medicines that cannot be found at a pharmacy are easily bought on the black market. Some doctors, nurses and cleaning staff smuggle the medicine out of the hospitals in a bid to make extra cash.

Although medical attention remains free, many patients did and still do bring their doctors food, money or other gifts to get to the front of the queue or to guarantee an appointment for an X-ray, blood test or operation.

If you do not have a contact or money to pay under the table, the waiting time for all but emergency procedures can be ridiculously long.

Many Cubans complain that top-level government and Communist Party officials have access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn.

And while the preventative healthcare system works well for children, women over the age of 40 are being shortchanged because yearly mammograms are not offered to the population at large.

I saw many hospitals where there was often no running water, the toilets did not flush, and the risk of infections - by the hospital’s own admission - was extremely high.

Healthcare for hard currency

In all fairness, in the past five years, the government has made great efforts to improve hospitals and health centres, but again, lack of resources is making the process painfully slow.

The system is free, but it is neither fast nor efficient for two important reasons. One is obviously the lack of financial resources, and the other - which is related to the first - is the “export” of doctors, nurses and dentists in exchange for hard currency.

Thousands of Cuban doctors go to Venezuela to provide primary healthcare there. Their tour of duty lasts a minimum of two years and they are paid approximately $50 a month, plus expenses. In exchange, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela’s president, sends Cuba petrol, part of which can be sold for hard currency.

When a friend of mine was unable to be operated on as scheduled, because there was no anesthesiologist available, “they are all in Venezuela” was a complaint I regularly heard.

Over the years, I have heard many complain about the deteriorating quality of the services offered. One of the problems is that no small number of Cuban doctors have left the country looking for better opportunities abroad. They are considered deserters.”

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201265115527622647.html


25 posted on 12/09/2013 8:39:20 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As they said in the Soviet Union, “ you pretend to pay, we pretend to work”. This will be the response of physicians to the involuntary servitude of 0-care. We know that Medicaid patients receive worse care than those w/o insurance, so how bad will it be when doctors are “forced” to see patients.
Well here is a solution suggested by a leftist recently. Doctors could simply do group visits to satisfy their quota of “seeing” 0-care patients. Just put 20-30 in a conference room and have patients fill out questionnaires and ask the doctor some questions. The whole thing will take about 30 minutes and the quota will be fulfilled.


26 posted on 12/09/2013 8:41:46 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Provider licenses are issued through the State Boards. The King will have to fight that out 57 times. No state mandates Medicaid/care participation (that I know of, anyway.)


27 posted on 12/09/2013 8:42:04 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wrong. I can’t be forced to do anything. I will walk away from medical practice if need be. So will most other docs. Obama forgets that to get through medical school we are fairly intelligent and motivated people. We can find something else to do.


28 posted on 12/09/2013 8:42:30 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: LibWhacker

Well they now have racial quotas for med schools and some schools are cutting the degree to 3 years.


29 posted on 12/09/2013 8:44:19 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Lurker

Yo Lurk... Tell us how you really feel.

‘oohrah! :-)


30 posted on 12/09/2013 8:47:21 PM PST by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 84)
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To: Bobalu

We are living in interesting times. When the Dems tried to create Romney Care at the national level, big insurance companies salivated at the prospect. Forcing everyone to buy their product is a corporate wet dream. When Obama decided to drop the single payer (no insurance companies involved) to the exchange system like Romney Care, the insurance companies dropped opposition and joined the Dems in drawing up ACA.
Big money have been invested the last four years and the insurance companies want their big payoff. Problem is gov fumbled the website, lied about it to get it passed and now young people and doctors are opting out. Guess what when big gov is embarrassed and face the prospect of losing control and big business is not getting their big payoff, both will unite to use force and draconian methods to force compliance. For the Dems it is about saving face, but for big business (insurance) it is about money. Corporate America will kill or hurt for money, especially if failure hits them at the jugular. The 21st Century has become an American Facist Century where big business and big gov work together to screw and promote. Obamacare may expose this alliance and how ruthless both will go to get what they want. If the people wake up and revolt, two groups will hang side by side from the lamp posts of America, corporate CEO’s and big gov politicians.


31 posted on 12/09/2013 8:50:33 PM PST by Fee
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To: willibeaux

32 posted on 12/09/2013 8:52:05 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Rusty0604

Yes, the unions supported Obamacare and then obtained waivers from participating in it.


33 posted on 12/09/2013 8:55:02 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: GeronL

I think it will be tangential in its development. First the Federal government will require all physicians to become members of the “Federal Association of Physicians”. Then they will enact a law requiring, ‘in order to practice medicine all physicians will be required to join the “Federal Association of Physicians”. Then they will enact a law which requires in order to practice medicine, all members of the “Federal Association of Physicians” must not discriminate against any patient and is required to conform to the requirement that they treat any and all patients as prescribed by the act and agrees to comply , upon penalty of fine, and or imprisonment, to treat any patient coming to see him. If he refuses he forfeits membership in the”Federal Association of Physicians”, and thus cannot practice medicine on any patients in the states or territories of the United States of America.


34 posted on 12/09/2013 8:59:02 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

I can see that happening too


35 posted on 12/09/2013 9:01:47 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: grumpygresh
Well here is a solution suggested by a leftist recently. Doctors could simply do group visits to satisfy their quota of “seeing” 0-care patients.

Sure, but it would be grossly unethical, it would produce terrible medical results, and when Americans get bad medical results they sue. Also, after it happens a few times those unethical doctors would lose their licenses.

Sounds like a perfect leftist solution to me. It completely ignores reality.

36 posted on 12/09/2013 9:04:15 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare Motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: GeronL
...entice doctors to sign up by paying their malpractice insurance or medical school debts for them.

That's the carrot. The stick will be IRS audits, blacklisting at hospitals, and threatening to jerk their license to practice medicine.

37 posted on 12/09/2013 9:10:20 PM PST by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: Bobalu

I left the country to practice overseas for at least the next 2 years .
Over 20 years of ER experience.


38 posted on 12/09/2013 9:11:06 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: TChad

I think group visits will become mandatory under O-care actually.


39 posted on 12/09/2013 9:15:25 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: bigbob

doctors might not want to be a part of Obamacare,

In their own repugnant arrogance they know they can “create new rules and regs” in ObamaramaCare with Reid dealing the cards and Boehner asking how high.


40 posted on 12/09/2013 9:16:58 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Maine Mariner
The doctors will be forced to join unions who will bargain for higher salaries and working conditions. The unions will come through for them and viola, we have a goal of the Rats-unionization of the entire now centrally controlled health care system.

Of course they will unionize. Doctors unionize in all socialized medical systems.

41 posted on 12/09/2013 9:18:51 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Kozak

God bless you FRiend!
I hope that your future is bright, and unsullied by the mess that Obamacare is making of your noble profession.

(20 yrs in the ER...my God you have seen a lot of strange stuff)


42 posted on 12/09/2013 9:20:08 PM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The doctors will retire and those left will be medical technicians not doctors.


43 posted on 12/09/2013 9:27:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Fee

“Obamacare may expose this alliance and how ruthless both will go to get what they want. If the people wake up and revolt, two groups will hang side by side from the lamp posts of America, corporate CEO’s and big gov politicians.”

I hope I live to see it! The RATs aren’t the only ones needing a lamp post.


44 posted on 12/09/2013 9:32:08 PM PST by vette6387
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How do they propose to enforce this if the doctors stick together? They could try to take away the licenses of 70% of physicians, but what then? Will Obamacare suddenly become a success if they do that?


45 posted on 12/09/2013 9:32:51 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The doctors don't want to join?

Well, the IRS didn't hire those 16,000 more agents for no reason...

46 posted on 12/09/2013 9:36:26 PM PST by Gritty (The emperor has hipster garb, but underneath he’s just another Commissar Squaresville - Mark Steyn)
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To: bigbob

I think I’d look at the German system. There are doctors in Germany who will not take the state-run public insurance card. So you make an arrangement involving cash. The doctors who typically fall into this area....are your better-than-average doctors, who know they are better than what you get with the public clinic concept. The positive with the cash arrangement? You tend to get seen...even on short-notice.


47 posted on 12/09/2013 9:38:33 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nurse will see you now.....

Sit back and enjoy your Obamacare.

48 posted on 12/09/2013 9:44:00 PM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: GeronL
I think group visits will become mandatory under O-care actually.

Then without tort reform those doctors will find themselves in an impossible position. They will bear the responsibility for bad results without having the authority to change the system that made those results inevitable.

49 posted on 12/09/2013 9:54:48 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare Motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it—and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn’t.” —Ayn Rand, *Atlas Shrugged*

I wrote the following and posted it before 0bamaCare became law.

Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Bad Laws and Unintended Consequences, part 1.

Obamacare Rips Doctor-Patient Relationship Apart

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)


50 posted on 12/09/2013 9:55:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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