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Congressional Republicans Reveal Secret Love for Obamacare
New York Magazine ^ | 12/10 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 12/10/2013 10:32:06 AM PST by nickcarraway

As healthcare.gov slowly lurches into functionality, the battle lines around the health-care law are returning to their pre-October state. Giddy conservative hopes for the law’s immediate disintegration, or its quick repeal, have ebbed, and in their place opponents have returned to hoping that the law will fail because not many people will want to buy health insurance. Ross Douthat warns, or perhaps fantasizes, that the immediate collapse may have been averted, but the long, slow collapse may yet beckon on the horizon.

The new-old mechanism for the law’s predicted demise is that only the sickest or poorest Americans will enroll — “the law can work only if people who don’t necessarily benefit immediately from its provisions decide to participate anyway,” argues Douthat. But this is a misguided understanding of how insurance works and why people want it, a point that has been demonstrated most convincingly by the eagerness of the toughest Obamacare customer base you can imagine: congressional Republicans.

The still-fresh GOP messaging about the failed website launch turns out to be highly instructive. As part of their message campaign, Republicans in Washington, and their staffers, made displays of their difficulties, or alleged difficulties, enrolling in the new exchanges. For instance, Representative Chuck Fleischmann complained about the website freezing, and being forced to pay high premiums.

Why is he going through the bother and financial cost? “I am not a fan of Obamacare,” Fleischmann told Politico. “But I was bound and determined to try to comply with the law. I’ve done everything in my power to try to do that.” That is an awfully strange way to put it. Remember, a Supreme Court ruling reduced the individual mandate to a mere tax, and Fleischmann could comply with the law by paying a small fee for going without insurance. Instead he is enrolling anyway.

And of course the great hope of the conservative movement has been to foster a massive boycott of the exchanges – burn your (imaginary) Obamacare card, pay the tax instead. The Koch brothers are paying activists to flood college-football tailgate parties, plying undergraduates with free pizza and beer so they’ll listen to their pitch to boycott the exchanges. The Weekly Standard has an unintentionally comic reported dispatch from one such effort in South Bend, Indiana, where conservative activists attempt to drum up enthusiasm among frigid, demoralized Notre Dame undergraduates (“‘If this was a sunny day, this would be packed. Everyone would have their Opt-Out stickers on,’ said Matt Zepeda, a junior.”) Even as they try to goad Americans into following the boycott, conservative activists themselves have blithely ignored it. Salon’s Brian Beutler fruitfully trolled Amanda Carpenter, a speechwriter and senior communications adviser for Ted Cruz, over Carpenter’s high-profile complaints about the slowness of the health-care site, producing this head-smacking confession:

I don’t want to be uninsured. When even as fanatical an ideological cadre as Ted Cruz’s speechwriter blurts her desperation to join Obamacare, it suggests that conservatives have deeply miscalculated.

The problem here is that their definition of who would “benefit” is exceedingly narrow. You “benefit,” by his way of thinking, only if your actuarial costs exceed your financial contributions. But that isn’t how most people think about insurance. Insurance isn’t a kind of gamble where you bet you can beat the house by consuming more in medical care than you pay in premiums and deductibles. It’s protection from risk. People like that protection. They will pay to acquire it.

None of this is to say that the exchanges will quickly and seamlessly fill with desperate customers. It will remain a glitchy, halting process filled with bureaucratic aggravation — much as private insurance has been until now. The botched website rollout gave conservatives a powerful weapon to batter the credibility of Obama and his eponymous law. But the short-term benefits of website bashing also lured them into confessing the hopelessness of their long-term plan.


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1 posted on 12/10/2013 10:32:06 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Alrighty then. At least we now know the answer to this question, don't we?

WHERE DID THE OBAMACARE WEBSITE DOUGH GO?????

Hannity recently had two PROFESSIONAL web site developers on his TV show. He asked them both how much they might have charged to construct a secure web site that functioned as necessary from the git go: Their TOP figure was around $10 million!!

That's much more than one well respected US IT firm offered to do the project for: THEY'D HAVE DONE IT FOR FREE!!

Compare those to the estimated $1 BILLION this SOB has shuttled to his cronies for this turkey and I think even the most devoted obozo worshiper can grasp the magnitude of the CORRUPTION in this on-going CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE!!! (Well that's almost certainly an overstatement...)

QUESTION: WHERE THE HELL IS CONGRESS IN ALL OF THIS?

ANSWER: On their computers checking their numbered Swiss accounts to be certain the proper amount was deposited!!!!

IF THIS DOESN'T PISS YOU OFF you aren't paying attention and you're certainly too stupid to vote.

We need an angry electoral tsunami to sweep away the parasites on the Potomac and replace them with regular, everyday, COMMON SENSE citizens who have READ and UNDERSTAND the CONSTITUTION!!

Anything short of that and we're TOAST!!

2 posted on 12/10/2013 10:34:48 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Dick Bachert

I’ve said all along, the longer this goes on, the more entrenched Obamacare will be and the lower the chances of repeal.

Starting to think Republicans have known this all along so pull the “let it collapse under its own weight” crap that they know will NEVER happen.


3 posted on 12/10/2013 10:37:01 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Kenny
Congressional Republicans Reveal Secret Love for Obamacare

It was never a secret except for the chronically clueless and the terminally naive.

5 posted on 12/10/2013 10:39:39 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: US Navy Vet

You might want to think ho you phrased that.


6 posted on 12/10/2013 10:39:48 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I am missing the ‘love’ part in this essay.
Please help if you can


7 posted on 12/10/2013 10:40:59 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: nickcarraway

What the hell is this lib idiot author babbling about here? Is he indicating that our anti Obama Care stance was all about the website? What a maroon.


8 posted on 12/10/2013 10:41:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are right after what I have seen with these Congress PUKES I just might fall for ANYTHING!


10 posted on 12/10/2013 10:44:58 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: sickoflibs
I am missing the ‘love’ part in this essay. Please help if you can

There is no love. This is an absurdly idiotic column….and yet, some Freepers, who are looking for bad news anywhere, are falling for it.

11 posted on 12/10/2013 10:45:00 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
It was never a secret except for the chronically clueless and the terminally naive.

So, how does a "hook, line and sinker" taste? You've fallen for Chait's BS all the way…….

12 posted on 12/10/2013 10:46:56 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Dick Bachert

So the solution is an impossibility, the election of a congress full of angels, perfectly virtuous citizens to save us from ourselves?


13 posted on 12/10/2013 10:49:03 AM PST by Jacquerie (Now launch the Constitutional Spring! Support an Article V Amendment Convention.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

“It was never a secret except for the chronically clueless and the terminally naive.”

********
Wisely said. Almost as though you were once a denizen of Capitol Hill! :)

Pubbies love big government just like their Dem colleagues. They are two sides of the same coin.


14 posted on 12/10/2013 10:49:16 AM PST by Starboard
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thanks

It is not the first time I have seen posts here where the title has little to do with the essay and is just crafted to lure readers.

Then it gets lots of comments to the title here.

My favorite was the one that had a title that said that a Mcdonalds closed (implying for good) because the employees went on strike.
But nothing about that in the piece.

So I called that same McDonalds and they said they never closed at all, probably the protesters didnt even work there.


15 posted on 12/10/2013 10:51:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: nickcarraway

This reads like agitprop.

Objective journalism reveals Obamacare is failing and people do not want it. Period. End of story.

This writer is trying to create irritation where there is no cause.

The fight to stop socialized medicine will not end, that is where this childish “journalist” is wrong. Instead, the fight will grow.


16 posted on 12/10/2013 10:53:16 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: sickoflibs

What’s very sad is how anxious Freepers are to jump on this. Many Freepers are sadly more interested in anti GOP news, even if it’s false, than they are the truth. I’m widely published with anti GOP e articles and books, and there’s plenty of legit news on that front - so there’s no reason to, and no profit in, this kind of self flagellation by some around here.


17 posted on 12/10/2013 10:53:48 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoFloFreeper
This reads like agitprop.

Objective journalism reveals Obamacare is failing and people do not want it. Period. End of story.

This writer is trying to create irritation where there is no cause.

The fight to stop socialized medicine will not end, that is where this childish “journalist” is wrong. Instead, the fight will grow.

So accurate I thought it needed to be reposted….

18 posted on 12/10/2013 10:55:01 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Let me try it for fun:

I knew those GOP traitors were really for Obama-care. They just play us by talking against it. If they were against it Obama would have been removed from office by now and it repealed. They hate the Constitution and want to keep us as serfs waiting behind the illegals in line for a doctor, This article confirms it. I will never donate to the GOP again. ”

that was fun.

On the other side I notice Grahamnesty is suddenly on FNC Hannity complaining about Obamacare. Very out of character.

19 posted on 12/10/2013 11:01:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: nickcarraway

Republicans supported this bill from the very beginning, and will continue to support it till death us do part.


20 posted on 12/10/2013 11:04:28 AM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: nickcarraway

Egads, Jonathan Chait has penned an utterly worthless article here. No wonder it had to be given a provocative and misleading title to garner any attention. Move on, there is literally nothing to see here.


21 posted on 12/10/2013 11:05:04 AM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: nickcarraway

The closest you can get to “opting out” is to buy insurance yourself direct from the company, not on the exchange. Paying the mandate tax isn’t “opting out,” it’s funding Obamacare with your tax dollars.


22 posted on 12/10/2013 11:07:20 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; SoFloFreeper
The author is a distinguished alumnus of Journolist.

Agitprop is what he does and it shows.

23 posted on 12/10/2013 11:10:08 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Kenny

It WILL collapse under its own weight at some point.

The insurance companies are unindicted co-conspirators in Obamacare. They want to milk all of those new customers at gunpoint of every dollar they can get before the collapse occurs. And they’ve spread enough money around the RNC to ensure that happens.


24 posted on 12/10/2013 11:11:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They want it to collapse. Then they will have fully socialized medicine.


25 posted on 12/10/2013 11:16:28 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Madame Dufarge

If I’m not mistaken, he founded it didn’t he?


26 posted on 12/10/2013 11:20:30 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
So, how does a "hook, line and sinker" taste? You've fallen for Chait's BS all the way…….

The Republicans could have stopped Obamacare if they wanted to. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and others tried and would have succeeded but for the GOP bosses that cut their legs off from under them. The same big government loving GOP bosses that made hardcore Taxachusetts liberal Mitt Romenycare their standard bearer.

27 posted on 12/10/2013 11:21:24 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Some of what you say might be true, but that’s no excuse to fall for this bullshit article and the points raised by Chait.


29 posted on 12/10/2013 11:22:24 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I believe Ezra Klein did.


30 posted on 12/10/2013 11:23:23 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Unmarked Package
Egads, Jonathan Chait has penned an utterly worthless article here. No wonder it had to be given a provocative and misleading title to garner any attention. Move on, there is literally nothing to see here

And yet, many Freepers are here frothing all over their keyboards, thinking they're onto another piece of juicy info…...

31 posted on 12/10/2013 11:23:40 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Madame Dufarge

U right…Klein did….Bernstein had a part too……which I had not known at the time.


32 posted on 12/10/2013 11:26:25 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: nickcarraway
Obamacare was passed into law in accordance with the US Constitution, and killing it in the Supremne Court would have been a monumental mistake.

Hear this Conservatives.

Robert's Revenge is kicking in.

hallelujah!

33 posted on 12/10/2013 11:31:51 AM PST by OldNavyVet (Robert's Revenge is kicking in.)
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To: nickcarraway
Insurance isn’t a kind of gamble where you bet you can beat the house by consuming more in medical care than you pay in premiums and deductibles. It’s protection from risk. People like that protection. They will pay to acquire it.

This idiot fails to recognize that insurance is not the issue with Obamacare. Unlike most other insurance, you can not tailor Obamacare to fit the individual needs and amount of risk one can assume. Obamacare is basically one size fits all. Why should a 27 year old, single male opt for maternity coverage?

34 posted on 12/10/2013 11:32:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: nickcarraway

The idea behind this piece is to get knee jerk reactions to the title and try to tie republicans to secretly liking Obamacare.

Some of them may be turds, but none of them like Obamacare.


35 posted on 12/10/2013 11:36:33 AM PST by dforest
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To: nickcarraway
The NWO elite will take no prisoners once they trigger the S2HTF in the US. This will include their faithful servants in DC. If those in DC seriously believe they will escape the coming deadly chaos, I dare say they are likely making a huge miscalculation.
36 posted on 12/10/2013 11:38:37 AM PST by drypowder
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To: nickcarraway

“The Koch brothers are paying activists...”

Lol.


37 posted on 12/10/2013 11:46:06 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Aren’t the Koch brothers left wing on everything but unions?


38 posted on 12/10/2013 11:50:55 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Throw the bums out


39 posted on 12/10/2013 12:05:27 PM PST by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: nickcarraway

You can play six degrees of separation tying any mention of The Koch Brothers right back to AFL-CIO activism. (No scientific evidence, just random observation:)


40 posted on 12/10/2013 12:06:04 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: C. Edmund Wright
There is no love. This is an absurdly idiotic column….and yet, some Freepers, who are looking for bad news anywhere, are falling for it.

Indeed. It's just par for the course, ya know.

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.



41 posted on 12/10/2013 12:30:24 PM PST by rdb3 (Drive for show, putt for dough. No wonder why I stayed broke on the links!)
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To: nickcarraway

I stopped reading this shite as soon as I saw who wrote it. Jonathan Chait. He’s one of the worst leftists around.


42 posted on 12/10/2013 12:33:53 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: nickcarraway

Hey I love Obamacare too! There is nothing I can do about but I love it because it is kicking the Shiite out of the Democrats and their president.


43 posted on 12/10/2013 12:41:44 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: nickcarraway

A sneering article that dismissively tells us we must smell the glove.


44 posted on 12/10/2013 12:43:58 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: The Mayor

And elect some more who’ll become bums once their in.


45 posted on 12/10/2013 12:53:51 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Kenny

“Starting to think Republicans have known this all along so pull the “let it collapse under its own weight” crap that they know will NEVER happen.”

Of course not. The gop is culpable, complicit, and has never seen a big government program it couldn’t come to love.


46 posted on 12/10/2013 12:56:48 PM PST by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: OldNavyVet
Obamacare was passed into law in accordance with the US Constitution

Well, sorta, purt'near, almost, uh... deemed passed. But then a Supreme Court rewrote a "penalty" as a "tax"--even though the proponents of the law had insisted, repeatedly that it was not a "tax" for just breathing...Then the executive branch has rewritten the law, changing deadlines, changing who is exempt by decree.

No way in Hell that is Constitutional, at least not by the US Constitution.

47 posted on 12/10/2013 1:02:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
No way in Hell that is Constitutional, at least not by the US Constitution.

I, too, think it's a lousy law; but ...

... Specifically what in the Constitution has been violated?

48 posted on 12/10/2013 2:36:56 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Robert's Revenge is kicking in.)
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To: OldNavyVet

First: The executive branch nor the SCOTUS exist to WRITE law. Both have rewritten the letter of the law.

All revenue generating measures must originate in the House. The “tax” was added in the Senate.

Second: to say you have to buy something (just for breathing) but your neighbor doesn’t have to have it—not because he has a religious (1st Amendment) objection, but because his union cut a deal....is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. It is not up to Obama to make exceptions.

Deadlines set in this “established law” are being changed on the whim of the executive branch. Either it is law, or it isn’t.

The law requires that which is not possible, that people use a defective system to sign up for something by a given deadline.


49 posted on 12/10/2013 6:08:15 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kenny
Starting to think Republicans have known this all along so pull the “let it collapse under its own weight” crap that they know will NEVER happen.

Just "starting"?

How about when Boehner singlehandedly changed the subject, two months after the 2010 anti-Obamacare tidal wave made him Speaker, from Obamacare to a who-gives-a-flip crusade against raising the debt ceiling? Which, by the way, he and Ryan just caved on pre-emptively this week, so that Douthat et al. can't write snotty articles about them in the New York Slimes?

Boehner is provably protecting Obamacare.

I keep telling you, it's about killing off employer-paid health care plans and flowing the premium moneys to Fortune 500 bottom lines.

50 posted on 12/11/2013 12:56:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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