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[Rep. Elijah] Cummings: Ted Cruz 'got an earful' from Dems on South Africa trip
The Baltimore Sun ^ | December 10, 2013 | John Fritze

Posted on 12/11/2013 1:04:40 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Rep. Elijah E. Cummings is in South Africa for Nelson Mandela's memorial, but that doesn't mean he's abandoned domestic policy. In fact, Cummings said he and other Democrats in the official delegation have used the trip to debate with Sen. Ted Cruz on Obamacare.

"He got an earful from many of us -- I mean it was a very good conversation, nothing negative," the Baltimore Democrat said in an interview from Johannesburg. "I just reminded him that I'm concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance."

Cruz -- a Texas Republican best known for his filibuster-like speech ahead of this year's government shutdown -- and Cummings are among about two dozens U.S. lawmakers in an official delegation paying tribute to Mandela. The former South African leader died on Thursday.

The journey gave lawmakers plenty of time to talk, Cummings said.

"It's clear to me he's running for president -- I don’t have any doubt about it," said Cummings who noted that Democratic Rep. John Lewis of Georgia and others also spoke with Cruz in what he described as a cordial debate. "I know he got an earful for 20 hours out and he's going to get another earful for 20 hours on the way back."(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; democrats; mandela; tedcruz
I can't decide if Senator Ted Cruz or Governor Sarah Palin is the "shadow president" that the Democrats and RINOs need to assault, vilify, debate, question and challenge. Or maybe one is the "shadow president" and the other is the "shadow vice president?" What do you think?
1 posted on 12/11/2013 1:04:40 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I just reminded him that I’m concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance”

That’s like the Menendez brothers crying about being orphans. Many of those who lack health insurance are in that position specifically BECAUSE of Obamacare.


2 posted on 12/11/2013 1:14:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So, Cruz "got an earful" for 20 hours. That means that the Lie-beral Democrats were shrieking for 20 hours and NOT LISTENING.

Typical lieberals: lecture, lecture, lecture...because, if you don't agree with them, why you must be ignorant, so they're going to "educate" you.
3 posted on 12/11/2013 1:16:09 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Darteaus94025

If you asked me....having Ted around with you for twenty-odd hours....probably pepped up on coffee and Mountain Dew...would probably cause me to lose all my Democratic inhibitions. I don’t think a mortal could sit and take that much wisdom, without having it to affect them.

Maybe this was Ted’s plan all along....to force a bunch of Democratic Congressmen to sit for twenty hours and preach on reality.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 1:18:45 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah like those nimrods could tell Cruz something he’s not aware of.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 1:19:36 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How interesting.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 1:19:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I just reminded him that I’m concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance.”

And just wait until people in his state can’t use the health insurance they think they are buying and have to pay for the doctor/hospital themselves (IF they can find a doctor to see them). A few of the highlights of Obamcare...high deductibles, can’t keep your doctor or hospital, if medication isn’t on approved list, you must pay out of pocket.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 1:21:39 AM PST by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow. That’s class(not).
Obama doesn’t lecture that commie Castro but the Dems don’t give Sen Cruz that same respect.


8 posted on 12/11/2013 1:34:46 AM PST by RginTN
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To: kcvl

Exactly correct. Just wait till they try and cash in on this “benefit” and find (HORRORS) they have to pay the deductible. If they can’t afford the premium with a subsidy, they surely can’t afford the $6k deductible (to be paid before services rendered - if I understand correctly).

Health insurance is useless without the health CARE.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 1:42:41 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com - Firearms training in Jacksonville, Fl.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He got an earful from many of us — I mean it was a very good conversation, nothing negative,” the Baltimore Democrat said in an interview from Johannesburg. “I just reminded him that I’m concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That crap doesn’t work any more, a democrat being concerned...far too little too late.The truth is now very much out there:

Just watch this video for what Monica Crowley has to say about Obamacare:

http://vimeo.com/80242225

” Under Obama Care, I will die quickly.” Death Panels are here.

Ted Cruz is about to unload on Obama with both barrels. I am waiting to see how that will happen.


10 posted on 12/11/2013 1:56:21 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t give a damn about people who have no health insurance outside of those losing it because of Obamacare. It’s not a “right” as the left continues to insist upon. Any insurance is a product that you buy because you want or need it and if you want or need it then work harder and earn it.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 2:16:10 AM PST by maddog55
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I just reminded him that I'm concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance."

Yes, and thanks to obamacare, many still don't and many more will lose the coverage they had.

12 posted on 12/11/2013 2:16:17 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a white person living in Elijah Cummings State I can tell you that he is certainly not worried about any whites living here. You see we are the ones who will be paying for the Health care for Baltimore, and PG County.

The people who keep sending trash like Elijah to Congress.

My advice to Ted Cruz is that if he has had his ear filled by Elijah Cummings, wash that ear good because it is full of fecal matter.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 3:24:21 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the Monica Crowley link. What can I say? What a speech. A must watch for Freepers.


15 posted on 12/11/2013 3:29:22 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Candor7

Great video. Thanks for posting.


16 posted on 12/11/2013 3:32:05 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I, for one, find it refreshing that Ted Cruz was willing to step into this lions’ den of pity, iniquity and duplicitous Democrat pandering to debate these people and hold his ground. They are only giving him more personal insight into what he will be up against.

I certainly HOPE he is running for President, myself. As far as him being there and saying something respectable about Mandela, I don’t really care. If you want to criticize him for doing it, you can throw GW Bush in there, too.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 3:36:57 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz can handle it.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 3:40:47 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Gaffer

-—snip-—

Education

Cruz attended high school at Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas, and later graduated from Second Baptist High School in Houston as valedictorian in 1988. During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat and Ludwig von Mises. The program was run by Rolland Storey and Cruz entered the program at the age of 13.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society’s Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton). Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship.

Cruz’s senior thesis on the separation of powers, titled “Clipping the Wings of Angels,” draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to President James Madison: “If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.” Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and the last two items in the Bill of Rights offered an explicit stop against an all-powerful state. Cruz wrote: “They simply do so from different directions. The Tenth stops new powers, and the Ninth fortifies all other rights, or non-powers.”

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor. While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz’s time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant.” At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.

Cruz currently serves on the Board of Advisors of the Texas Review of Law and Politics.

-—snip-—
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz


19 posted on 12/11/2013 3:44:33 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the background. From Wiki, even....it seems that the Dem Trolls haven’t gotten around to making him out to be a child predator yet. They’ll keep trying, though.


20 posted on 12/11/2013 3:52:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cumming represents my district in the People’s Republic of Maryland. I had the good fortune of meeting both Cruz and Palin at the WWII Memorial when it was opened by the vets during the shutdown. Cummings having a conversation with Cruz is like Pee Wee Herman talking brain surgery with Ben Carson.


21 posted on 12/11/2013 5:14:04 AM PST by CheneyClone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh sure...yeah, Cummins, you took it to Cruz...riiiiiiiiiight.
Show us the video tape, you gutless wonder.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 5:38:11 AM PST by matginzac
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To: CheneyClone

Cummings has his deficiencies, but he could probably best a good many in discussions of this nature. Hard as it may be to cobble, pray for him, and pray that whatever plans he has that would harm our nation be put to naught. Even the most deficient thinkers in our midst, however, are a remarkable creation.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 5:43:31 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By their actions they will tell us who they’re scared of. They dogged a bullet in 2012 when Palin decided not to run and splintered conservative support in the primaries. If Cruz runs in 2016 they won’t be lucky this time.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 5:59:57 AM PST by erod (I'm a Chicagoan till Chicago ends...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; House Atreides; Joe Miner; GrandJediMasterYoda; PJ-Comix; RoosterRedux; ...

Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!


25 posted on 12/11/2013 6:32:13 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Candor7
Ted Cruz is about to unload on Obama with both barrels. I am waiting to see how that will happen.

Are you waiting to see how it will happen, or turn out?

If my Sen Cruz unloads on 0, it will be a glorious thing, no doubt!

26 posted on 12/11/2013 8:33:26 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: CheneyClone
Cummings having a conversation with Cruz is like Pee Wee Herman talking brain surgery with Ben Carson.

LOLOLOL!!

Lucky and good for you on the opportunity to meet two fine patriots at our WWII memorial. THAT is a memory for the ages.

27 posted on 12/11/2013 8:35:32 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I just reminded him that I'm concerned about the many people in my state and his state who have no health insurance."

Health insurance does not mean health care. Just ask the Mexican moms that cross the border from Juarez to El Paso, so their babies can be born at University Medical Center.

28 posted on 12/11/2013 8:40:56 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: InterceptPoint

In my mind, Monica is the absolute creme de la creme of the female conservative commentators. She’s supremely intelligent and articulate and absolutely never bends or apologizes for the RINOs. She understands the mindset of the left as well as Dennis Prager, understands the Constitution as well as Mark Levin and is as unwavering in the face of criticism as Rush Limbaugh. Her radio show is a joy to listen to if you’re lucky to get it or track it down online.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 8:43:33 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An earful, eh? I imagine Cruz gave them a rhetorical fistful in reply.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 8:48:41 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: JediJones

Her radio show is a joy to listen to if you’re lucky to get it or track it down online.
++++++++++++++
I agree with you and I will track down her show.


31 posted on 12/11/2013 9:00:22 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ted, never argue with idiots.
They’ll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.


32 posted on 12/11/2013 9:04:01 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Jane Long
OBAMA FOLLOWS MANDELA'S LEGACY AND VOWS TO THE CUBAN TYRANT

obamaraul

mandelafidel

Mandela once cheering, “‘Long live Comrade Fidel Castro!’” Mandela referred to Gaddafi as “‘my brother leader” and Arafat as “‘a comrade in arms.’”

And what is Mandela’s legacy to his native South Africa? It is the purpose of Mercer’s book to show that it is nothing to write home about. “Since he [Mandela] came to power in 1994, approximately 300,000 people have been murdered.” “Bit by barbaric bit,” she writes, “South Africa is being dismantled by official racial socialism, obscene levels of crime—organized and disorganized—AIDS, corruption, and an accreting kleptocracy.”

33 posted on 12/11/2013 9:26:18 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Same old crap. Cummings was an opportunist then and remains one to this day.


34 posted on 12/11/2013 9:43:37 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: pepsionice

“Dems lecturing on reality”

That’s a good one.


35 posted on 12/11/2013 10:47:56 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: SparkyBass

You’re assuming that (a) this really happened, (b) Senator Cruz “argued” with them and (c) they got the best of him. See my post #19. Ted Cruz was the debate champion of NORTH AMERICA (not just the United States) during college! Do you seriously think that Rep. Cummings or one of his comrades would have a chance against such a man? Do you think any members of the CBC have a similar resume? It is to laugh.


36 posted on 12/11/2013 1:57:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

:) and you assumed I thought he did and lost.
Just a humorous reminder.


37 posted on 12/11/2013 2:01:22 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Gaffer

I agree.

Dare I say, ‘Reaganesque’?


38 posted on 12/18/2013 10:57:34 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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