Skip to comments.Mark Levin interviews Paul Ryan on the new budget agreement (Woodshed time!)
Posted on 12/11/2013 3:10:00 AM PST by Timber Rattler
Mark Levin put Paul Ryan through his paces, as Ryan himself said at the end of the interview. Certainly Levin didnt pull any punches as they discussed the new budget agreement, even calling it Mickey Mouse.
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Ryan is a WUSSY!
No. He’s a RINO.
From what I got from the interview, I like the deal.
No new tax on incomes.
Sequester is not lifted - it is amended for the next 15 months to swap permanent changes in entitlement laws [reductions] for increases over the next 15 months.
It comes out about even if you can stomach waiting 10 years for the full amount of the reductions to take place.
But it does not lift the sequester and it does not raise income taxes.
I really am surprised the Dems went for it. They must be in a panic.
One thing I was very interested in - Ryan claims that the deal “reclaims the power of the purse” to the House by not doing CRs... I’m interested in that b/c that’s been the ploy by dems ... and that’s why they started doing CRs... to take such power from the House. That is one of the main pillars allowing 0bama to take over government.
They just say no and shut down the gov’t and blame Rs and it works. The latest shutdown - clearly 100% on the hands of Reid and 0bama - did hurt the Rs. But it was finessed beautifully by Cruz with 0bamacare.
If we could get back to what we’ve done for over two centuries - individual spending bills - we’d be closer to regaining the power of the purse. I don’t think 0bama would survive repeatedly refusing to fund individual pieces of gov. ESPECIALLY if we win the senate even by the smallest of margins. Hell I bet a 49-51 D control would see enough dems throw 0bama under the bus and make him veto a bill to fund.
I’m about 12 minutes into the 17 minute interview, and I’d call it a good hard and substantive interview. Ryan made some good points, as did Levin. Should be “must hear” material for everyone.
Pi$$ on “ryan the rat”... he is a lying, pos, liberal democrat, big government whore. Anyone supporting him is the same.
SEVEN HUNDRED billion dollar deficit this year and it returns to over a trillion dollars each year in two years and they agree to cut 22.5 billion in deficit spending over ten years and you like that?????
“The Wall Street Journal - The deal, which goes to the House and Senate for approval in the coming days, marks a major change in the landmark 2011 budget-cutting law, which set in motion 10 years of fiscal austerity, including across-the-board spending cuts known as sequestration.
The annual discretionary spending target will be raised to $1.012 trillion in 2014 and $1.014 trillion in 2015 under the accord.
The deal responds to the fears of most Democrats and some Republicans that government spending would be cut too much and too randomly under the next round of the sequester, which was slated to reduce the budget for most domestic and defense programs to $967 billion in 2014, down from $986 billion in 2013.
The depth of conservative opposition will become apparent as lawmakers absorb the details, which were released to the public Tuesday night. To draw support from the GOP’s fiscal conservatives, the deal includes additional deficit-reduction measures: While the agreement calls for a $63 billion increase in spending in 2014 and 2015, it is coupled with $85 billion in deficit reductions over the next 10 years, for a net deficit reduction of $22.5 billion.
The deal achieves some of those savings by extending an element of the 2011 budget law that was due to expire in 2021. The sequester currently cuts 2% from Medicare payments to health-care providers from 2013 through 2021. The new deal extends those cuts to 2022 and 2023.
This deal is simple, really. They are raising the spending cap that was won by the Republicans in 2011. The sequester, which was President Obama’s baby until he discovered the Republicans were going to stiffen their spines and hold him to his proposal, is going to be eased. All for a supposed reduction of the deficit of $22.5 billion over ten years. I would point out that the deficit for fiscal year 2013 is hovering around the $700 billion mark. I would contend cutting $22.5 billion over ten years is setting the mark a bit low.
Here is what is really happening, once again. The Democrats are achieving their never-ending goal of raising spending levels. Republicans are agreeing to that increase, in exchange for supposed spending cuts sometime in the future. I would suggest they hire someone to hold a séance so they can ask President Ronald Reagan about a similar deal he worked out with the Democrats. That didn’t work out so well for Reagan. If he could talk to us now, I’m fairly sure he would be raising his voice in protest to this compromise. He would be telling us we shouldn’t trust the Democrats to come through with their end of the compromise. Looking at the history of previous compromise budget deals with the Democrats, I’m going to say he would be correct.”
Must you be reminded that the current Congress has no sway over what the next 5 Congresses can undo? So you think by exploding the current budget to over $1T each year just to save $23B over 10 years that can easily be undone by the next 5 Congresses is a good deal?
Seeing the first two years don’t count in the savings should be as simple to see this was written for the current Congress because with this crap I can guarantee that miniscule by comparison $23B will be gone before the next Congress gets its feet wet.
Do you realize the Federal Government spends $23B in just under 57 hours?
I don't like it but I accept it as the best that Ryan could get.
Ryan was negotiating with the senate and the white hut and they get to speak up too.
There is going to be screaming all over the conservative blogs, but reason is something that we need to have, and remember that there are 315,000,000 people living in America and 310,000,000 don't have a clue.
If the pubbies are insisting on buying votes as the DemonRats always are, there is no path forward that doesn't include bankruptcy.
Shutting down the government at this time won’t help our chances in 2014. Keep the pressure on with Obamacare, Bam and the rest of the RATS are tumbling in the polls let’s not help them out.
When you start name calling, you are out if ideas. Ryan is wrong...Why? It is not because he is a lying, pos, liberal democrat...it is because he is wrong ideologically...prove that and you’ve made a difference.
It may indeed be the best we can get .and if it does allow a laser focus on Obama Care and the IRS - thru the 2014s - then we will remove a lot of Democrats from power.
It lets the RATS off the hook for increasing the DEBT to $17 trillion. Now they can say: WE REACHED AN HISTORIC BIPATISAN AGREEMENT ON THE BUDGET.
The GOP gave away one of its main campaign issues.
Ryan may be all that you say - I’m no Ryan fan - but last time I checked, Harry Reid ran the Senate and Obama ran the White House. If you find out anything different, please do let us know.
I think you’re mixed up.
What I like is:
a) permanent changes in law that reduce entitlement spending traded for temporary spending increase that in part offset sequester cuts to military.
b) no more shut-down leverage during this Congress
I do not like billion dollar deficits or trillions of dollars of debt. That must have been someone else’s post where you read that someone liked that. I wish we could eliminate that. Don’t you?
Whatever happened to just passing a budget, as required by law. Cutting spending, and then standing your ground when you’re being attacked by the Democrats. Try living up to your screenname.
This deal that Ryan cut is a joke. In another post, it was said that a séance may be needed to contact Ronald Reagan.
Reagan could explain to us how his deal with Democrats in the 1980’s that raised taxes in exchange for promises of spending cuts down the road came out.
The Ryan’s and the Reid’s increase spending and the national debt, they only disagree on the rate of speed.
Its time to really balance the budget quickly and not pretend we are cutting a little spending off the top ten years down the road.
Yeah I do realize it. What do you think would be better - and achievable?
See that’s an unpleasant part of leadership. Whiners constantly bitch about things over which there is little or no control. Go pick up your kleenex and go cry somewhere else until you have a better option to put up.
Beating your chest is stupid.
That's why I like it too. No more using CRs to bash us...during this Congress.
I agree, but again, in case you haven’t noticed, the people who control the Senate and the person in the WH do NOT AGREE WITH US!!!
elections have consequences ..you can fantasize all you want, but reality is what it is.
That's something I like too - keeps the focus from drifting to budget issues. Stay focused on the things bringing dems way down.
ONLY on rate of speed? Hmmm. Let me think. A car crash at 25 is just as bad as a crash at 80? Stage one cancer is just as bad as stage four? You wanna rethink your "only" in that statement?????
While “achieving” ourselves to the poor house makes more sense? Maybe you missed the latest that they discovered the “shutdown” did not hurt us at all. In fact, I would wager that it actually helped but that would not be “achieving” anything now would it?
Yep, and the Ted Cruz stand in the summer was brilliant and needed but that’s not what is needed now IMO from a strategic and tactical point of view.
Where have you been? Dems eliminated the normal budget process when they went to CRs. CRs have effectively removed the power of the purse from the House. Like last time, they tried to revert to individual bills but it didn't work. Have you been hibernating? It didn't work.
If all you have is personal attacks based on a screenname, you really are lost. Maybe it's just your anger over 0bama trying to take over all 3 branches coming out? I forgive you.
But you should know that it makes you look small when you do personal attacks. Respect is lost. Just sayin'
That’s not good enough because the history of the years since Reagan left office are clear.
When Republicans had power for instance, Medicare Part D was created by a Republican controlled Congress and President, increasing spending and driving up the national debt.
You want us to believe that if we keep on voting for the business as usual Republicans and give them power, things will change NOT.......
The Christie’s, McConnell’s, Cornyn’s and Boehner’s would amend Obamacare to create Romneycare, still forcing everyone to buy insurance in a marketplace more favorable to private insurance companies.
Big government must be reversed but everytime it got bigger in the last 80 years because of Democrats, the Republicans did not reverse it when they gained power.
The programs created are unsustainable with a 17 trillion dollar debt upon us. The GOP is not interested in stopping the upcoming train wreck. They are planning a slower speed disaster.
I guess you’re admitting the game Republicans are playing with us.
They have no real intention of balancing the budget which should have been done a long time ago.
My gosh what is it with you? Who said going to the poor house makes sense? You just make stuff up out of your head?
The shutdown didn't hurt us except politically - it wasn't even a "shutdown" ... it was a 17% "slowdown" and we saved a ton of money until fed workers got backpay for their 16 day vacation.
It did not help politically in spite of the fact that it was 100% Harry Reid and 0bama who are responsible for it. That is why the CR process has effectively removed from the House the power of the purse. This deal takes the power away from the Senate at least.
You are uninformed.
Like they used to say at Burger King . . . . doing anything for political expediency is why we are here in the first place.
No, not admitting that per se ..I am looking strategically down the road. The fact remains that Reid and Obama are NEVER EVER EVER under any circumstances going to agree to budget terms you and I favor. That’s a fact. That’s reality. I deal in reality.
I have also written many columns and two books about how the GOP e is responsible for getting us in this situation but having said that, today, we are IN this situation. It’s called situational awareness ..
Last summer was time to plant a flag and Cruz did .which I supported from day one. Now is not that time. Be aware.
I'm sorry, I thought we were having an adult conversation. Pardon me for over estimating you. That's straw bullshit
I'm widely published anti GOP e author
.but I do realize that in the narrow scope of this budget deal, where we are. You should too.
Sad but true, barring a miraculous Tea Party landslide in 2014, and a Tea Party president in '16.
That would be great if we could afford to wait ten years. Since GOP-E Republicans are tripping all over themselves to cave on Obamacare, that's ten economic years we don't have.
There is a fuzzy line sometimes between political expediency and reality. You are not going to get what you want with this Senate and this President. You are not. Not under any circumstance, period, end of story. Let me repeat: what you want, (and what I want) are NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen until Obama is gone and Reid is out of power. It may not happen then, but it certainly is NOT going to happen before.
Now it’s probably folks like you who sat home and gave us this story .maybe not you personally, but you get the idea. There are times to plant your flag .like Cruz did and times to play more subtle strategy. I don’t like or trust Ryan, and I don’t really like this deal, but it’s not awful either. Like Levin said, its Mickey Mouse.
Our goal has to be the control of both houses to pass legislation to reverse all the marxist measures. A Presidential win is important following that.
The issue that gets us there is the failure occurring over our whole healthcare segment of the economy which should be the only issue we allow the nation to focus on during the election cycle. We continue to move forward on corruption in foreign affairs and the IRS to keep measures to change the subject line at bay.
All of this is possible without focus on Continuing Resolutions. If we burn all the time up on manageable cuts we never get the Senate and control of this process and we never hold them accountable for ObamaCare.
Is it guilty of wasting our nation’s treasure while we work to gain the reins — certainly, but the electorate will give us the reins for only one reason, the coming failure of ObamaCare.
You let the Dems shut down the government, and you only give press conferences with a 20 foot tall graph of the budget deficit from WWII to the present.
I think its time to demand smaller government and personal freedom and vote accordingly, including third party if necessary until the GOP gets the message.
The third party option was exercised in Canada in the 1990’s.
Canada didn’t die because of it.....
I guesstimate less than 10 percent of current elected Republicans at all levels of government are real conservatives, the rest are RINO, GOPe, the insiders call them what you will.
How do you size up the situation????
I would say it’s higher than 10%, and much higher in the state and local governments. I would also say that they are probably more conservative than the Democrats in 99% of the cases.
Well I agree .the difference is, I think you draw the line in the sand deeper in primaries and deal with reality after that.
And there are no hard and fast rules either there are strategies and there are tactics and there are seasons for everything. I think Cruz’s filibuster season was one season I think today is another season. Situational awareness dude ..get some.
I think your post is brilliant, and thus I repeated it. We all want the same thing here, we just have differences on how to get there. One thing for sure, with Dems in control of the WH and the Senate, we ain't getting there period, end of discussion. We may not get there anyway, but somethings are givens
Actually, it is not as fuzzy as many think. I recommend a book that opens the curtain of “The Club” of the DC establishment titled “This Town” by Mark Leibovich. From an insider he names names and in general exposes the back scratching stench we are discussing here as supposition. It is sad and enlightening at the same time to bring validation that deals like this one and all the others are not in our best interests, but only on those in “The Club”.
I hate to break it to you, but anyone who will be moved by graphs of the deficit are ALREADY with us. Get a clue.
What will move people now is one thing and one thing only: Obama Care as the definition of what Democrat rule is like. Period. This is an historic time to get out of the way and let that lesson hammer away day after day after day.
Mazda I agree with what Leibovich and others say about the “club.” That’s not the same issue as what is the best thing to do at this tactical moment.
Ah, but many times stage one gets to Stage four very fast because the cancer is so aggressive.
That's true, but somewhat beside the point I was debating with the other poster. Their assertion was that speed or degree does not matter. I think that's absurd. That is not defensible, and yet some hide behind that every single day. My assertion is not that a slow crash is good .or that a slow crash is always avoidable, or that stage one cancer never gets to stage four.
It is others who are arguing the absolute. I am not.
My assertion is simply that a slow motion wreck is not as guaranteed, nor is it as bad, as a high speed crash. To torture the analogy further, stage one cancer MAY get to stage four, but stage four IS ALREADY stage four. I'm sorry, both situations are bad, but the notion that they are the same is assinine.
Whether we can or not - I don't think we should. It would be great to snap my fingers and have Dems in Senate and 0bama do as I wish.
Not all are "tripping over themselves" to implement 0bamacare - that sounds paranoid. What we have is a tyrant as a president trying to consolidate his power by effectively removing the power of the purse from the House using CRs instead of the normal budget process and using a Dem senate to change rules that will allow him to take over the judiciary.
This deal removes the power of the purse being with Senate and president. That alone is good. They're fighting back IMO.