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Republicans moving to overhaul 2016 primary process
CNN ^ | December 11, 2013 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 12/11/2013 8:58:49 AM PST by kobald

A handful of Republican Party officials is quietly advancing a new batch of rules aimed at streamlining a chaotic presidential nominating process that many party insiders viewed as damaging to the their campaign for the White House in 2012, multiple GOP sources told CNN.

In a series of closed-door meetings since August, handpicked members of the Republican National Committee have been meeting with party Chairman Reince Priebus in Washington to hash out details of a sweeping plan to condense the nominating calendar, severely punish primary and caucus states that upend the agreed-upon voting order and potentially move the party's national convention to earlier in the summer, with late June emerging as the ideal target date...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: New Hampshire; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: cnn; fff; finos; gope; gopestablishment; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; rino; rinos
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Oh, what a surprise... the GOPe crowd starts rigging the rules to shove their insider down the party's throat.
1 posted on 12/11/2013 8:58:49 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

All rules to make it difficult for a grasroots candidate to get momentum. Big money insider candidates favored. Surprise, surprise, surprise.


2 posted on 12/11/2013 9:02:56 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: kobald

yep, that’s it. The problem in 2012 was ‘the rules’, not the lack of candidates. Romney was a terrible option...although he probably was the least terrible option in that field. The same rules worked fine in 2000 and 2004, and before that when we were winning. The difference today is a lack of candidates and a lack of testicular fortitude to be aggressive against their opponents in the other party.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 9:03:17 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: kobald

The one thing they DON’T need is endless debates moderated by Journ-0-lists.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 9:03:49 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: kobald

During the last several elections I’ve been saying that either the Republican party reforms, or it will die like the Whigs and be replaced.

I’m afraid we’re past the point of no return. Not a chance that the GOP can be saved.

They’ve been stacking the primaries for years with early voting in liberal and open primary states, making it easy for the Democrats to come in and cheat—as Hillary regularly did, busing her supporters into New Hampshire.

Now that’s not enough for them. They have to stick it to the base even more. NO WAY that they will ever wake up and smell the roses. Too much pork and perks are at stake. They are the Party of Corruption.

The Corrupt Bastards Club, as Sarah Palin named them in Alaska—before she shoveled them out and jailed a few of them. (But now they’re back in Alaska, in the person of Lisa Mudcowski.)


5 posted on 12/11/2013 9:05:59 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nascarnation

No, but they do need a lot of debates moderated by real conservative media types….THAT’s very instructive, and debates are a good way for a non monied candidate to rise to the top.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 9:06:25 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kobald

Reform should start by nixing this idiotic Iowa/New Hampshire start.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 9:06:46 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kobald

Limiting choices and regulating the process so that only favored candidates can afford to run or are even allowed to run.......sounds very communist party to me...............


8 posted on 12/11/2013 9:07:47 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: kobald
The current system, where the same states have their primary & caucus elections first every election cycle, needs to end.

I doubt the GOPe agrees.

9 posted on 12/11/2013 9:08:39 AM PST by gdani (Excessive consumerism threatens Christmas more than someone wishing me "Happy Holidays")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Bingo. There should be a single primary day for everyone. Or at least regional primaries of several states that are connected.......


10 posted on 12/11/2013 9:09:50 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

Sorry, can’t agree with a single primary day. That would be terrible for many reasons, including playing into establishment hands.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 9:10:38 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kobald
Its not exactly new. Rick Santorum tied Romney in Michigan so the Credentials committee got together and changed the rules in the middle of the night.

The Michigan Republican Party (MRP) Credentials Committee voted 4-2 last night to give Mitt Romney both of the state's at-large delegates, State Policy Committee Chair Mike Cox told MIRS today.

Cox was one of two "no" votes on the committee which met via telephone, along with attorney Eric Doster The "yes" votes included GOP National Committeeman Saul Anuzis, a Romney supporter, and MRP Chair Bobby Schostak.

That would put the delegate split at 16 for Romney and 14 for Rick Santorum, after each candidate won 14 delegates apiece in those divided by Michigan's 14 congressional districts.

As MIRS first reported on Wednesday, the MRP was delaying a final decision on the delegate split until after consulting with attorneys.

Cox said that according to the MRP rules, Santorum and Romney should each get one of Michigan's two at-large delegates based on their take of the popular vote.

"I supported Mitt, but the vote was clearly wrong," Cox said of the Credentials Committee. "It's kind of like Third World voting. We published rules and then we voted to change the rules."

http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2012/3/1/163521/7207

12 posted on 12/11/2013 9:11:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kobald
condense the nominating calendar

Good.

In both 2008 and 2012 my state primary was so late in the spring that the nominee was already selected by the time of the state GOP primary. Thus, the voting for candidates was irrelevant.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 9:12:42 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

This could be good for a small candidate. The late convention always means that you can raise limited funds to spend during the primary season, so until you are officially the nominee you can’t spend general election funds. When the candidate is basically chosen and has to sit for a few months unable to raise or spend money, you end up with either a situation like we have had in the past where you mortgage the computers in the office for money, or you can only run and compete if you’re rich. All the while the democrats spend union money and get free press accolades all summer.
A small candidate can win if they’re good enough. Herman Cain was ahead for a while until he imploded. Santorum competed for a long time. It’s not the insider fix that gets RINO candidates the nomination, it’s the fact that other candidates either don’t hold up well under the lights (Rick Perry) or they can’t win in the states that have the early primaries.
Stop putting goofy Iowa and New Hampshire at the front of the line, don’t let independent voters and democrats vote in your primaries, and get out of the way.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 9:12:50 AM PST by pie_eater
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To: kobald

yup the losers want to change the rules so they can keep on losing


15 posted on 12/11/2013 9:14:30 AM PST by Nifster
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Amen. Plus have the mall within 45-60 days of each other so more candidates stay in so I am not left voting for left overs.


16 posted on 12/11/2013 9:15:01 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I think a better primary system would be 5 ten state primary dates with states from each region chosen on a rotating lottery system.

On each date you would get 2 western, 2 eastern, 2 northern, 2 southern, and 2 central states.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 9:15:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kobald
I don't trust "rule changes" by these clowns.

Didn't the Romney folks try to change the rules to keep grassroots groups from "influencing" the presidential primaries? I'll have to look for info about that.

Also, too bad we gave the DNC permission to commit fraud with the 1982 Consent Decree. It basically says RNC cannot prevent voter fraud....

http://www.truethevote.org/news/summary-of-the-1982-new-jersey-consent-decree

18 posted on 12/11/2013 9:15:52 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: kobald

Our primary last time was one week after the election.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 9:16:25 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, it's useless. huh?)
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To: kobald

If they wanted to do something useful they could arrange to have closed primaries at the state level.
Of course McCain and Linda would be opposed to it.


20 posted on 12/11/2013 9:19:43 AM PST by Zathras
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To: kobald

Are they gonna run any candidates that don’t suck? Primary process doesn’t matter if they make it the 3rd campaign in a row with nobody that deserves my vote.


21 posted on 12/11/2013 9:21:39 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"Reform should start by nixing this idiotic Iowa/New Hampshire start."

Bingo!

No "reform" should go forward without eliminating this archaic and harmful process.

22 posted on 12/11/2013 9:22:06 AM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Mike Huckabee actually did something right with his forum format.

Only 1 candidate on stage at a time and they were held to the topic of themselves and their own policies.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 9:22:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The seemingly never-ending ‘debates’ and multiple primary days all across the country is very expensive and tiring on both the candidates and the electorate.

I remember the night comedians, Leno, Letterman, etc, making fun of the long debate process of what was it 20+ debates?

Plus the George Stepinalloverus loaded questions and other liberal media tricks and mischief would be limited.............


24 posted on 12/11/2013 9:25:55 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: lormand

The Iowa Caucus is just an absurd practice….and it’s nothing but a fund raiser for the Iowa parties….way outsized in importance. Meanwhile, NH is an oddball little population with a lot of cross over voters. Neither does a good job of picking a Republican winner…..tho it works great for Dems.

The first real primary of any kind of reasonable electorate is SC, which even tho a smallish state, has a turn out of more than Iowa’s weird caucus and NH’s tiny populations combined….but then it’s on to huge Florida after only one “normal” state.


25 posted on 12/11/2013 9:28:00 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kobald
severely punish primary and caucus states that upend the agreed-upon voting order

Yes, that's the ticket to success!!!
Frickin MORONS lost Florida Twice with these "punishments" and now they line up behind Hillary. They might not see it that way - or they might and just don't care but that's where it seems to be headed. I will start practicing saying "president Hillary Clinton"

26 posted on 12/11/2013 9:28:28 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: kobald
Anything to stop the circular firing squad would help.

Personally, I'd recommend approval voting.

The candidate with the most approval of the party wins. That would tend to be the most unifying of the candidates.

27 posted on 12/11/2013 9:30:15 AM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: kobald

Those old rules gave us Romney and McCain, how could the new rules be worse?


28 posted on 12/11/2013 9:34:16 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: lormand
No "reform" should go forward without eliminating this archaic and harmful process.

Put the first primary in Texas...ok, I'm biased.

And get rid of open primaries.

29 posted on 12/11/2013 9:35:10 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: kobald

exactly what they are doing


30 posted on 12/11/2013 9:36:02 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Meanwhile, NH is an oddball little population with a lot of cross over voters.

Red Hampshire ALSO hosts a lot of out of state voters on Election Day...come on up some time and check out the busses and cars with Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Maine plates...the first Tuesday of November is not exactly part of tourist season.

31 posted on 12/11/2013 9:38:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: discostu
Had anyone bothered to read the article, they would see that these changes are actually a positive move for conservative candidates.

-- Any state holding a primary or caucus during the first two weeks of March must award its delegates proportionally, rather than winner-take-all.

The measure is designed to prevent a candidate from catching fire in the early states and then riding a burst of momentum to winner-take-all victories in expensive, delegate-rich states such as Florida or Texas. The early March window would give underfunded, insurgent candidates a chance to prove their mettle.

"It will allow a grassroots candidate to stay in the race and try to raise money and score some wins," said Smack. "If they can't score wins by that time, they probably need to pack it in and try again four years later."

32 posted on 12/11/2013 9:41:36 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

Not if we don’t have any running.


33 posted on 12/11/2013 9:43:11 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“That would be terrible for many reasons, including playing into establishment hands.”

How!


34 posted on 12/11/2013 9:46:22 AM PST by malia
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To: kobald
No, they are killing the open caucus process which is dominated by the Dems.
35 posted on 12/11/2013 9:48:07 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: kobald

You can bet once again Texas will wind up having no say as to who the nominee is.


36 posted on 12/11/2013 9:50:27 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kobald

any primary process that comes up with Dole,McLame, Mitt or even another damned Bush is seriously screwed up.


37 posted on 12/11/2013 9:56:39 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: nascarnation

you mean real horse shit like candy crowley?


38 posted on 12/11/2013 9:57:33 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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Some items being discussed include:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/14/republican-party-weighs-a-2016-shakeup-with-midwestern-primary.html#url=/articles/2013/11/14/republican-party-weighs-a-2016-shakeup-with-midwestern-primary.html

“Midwestern Super Tuesday” after the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida

regional primary system

Convention by Mid July at the latest

end snip


39 posted on 12/11/2013 9:58:51 AM PST by deport
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To: kobald

For the RNC, it’s chaotic. For GOP voters, it’s freedom of speech.


40 posted on 12/11/2013 10:06:02 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: malia

Big money and established candidates would be the only ones with a chance in a one day national primary.


41 posted on 12/11/2013 10:09:46 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m from CA, but would be perfectly fine with having primaries in FL,GA,OH,MO,CO,and AZ decide the whole thing. They would provide a good mix. IA and NH are not indicative of anything nation-wide.


42 posted on 12/11/2013 10:19:16 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Reform should start by nixing this idiotic Iowa/New Hampshire start.

What they need to do is throw the name of every state in a hat, and draw them out for assigned dates. This will keep the GOPe from frontloading liberal states.

43 posted on 12/11/2013 10:24:42 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: kobald
A handful of Republican Party officials

Well, lets see how this little battle plays out. GOPe is trying desperately to not be removed from positions of influence. Yes, baby, we are coming for you soon.

44 posted on 12/11/2013 10:25:04 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: zeugma

I don’t know if I like the hat idea, but anything would be an improvement over what we have now I suppose….


45 posted on 12/11/2013 10:26:08 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kobald

If we conservatives would stop screwing around, and vote for one person, they would have no ability to do anything.


46 posted on 12/11/2013 10:27:21 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Cicero
... early voting in liberal and open primary states, making it easy for the Democrats to come in and cheat.. "

Bingo.. Who in the Hell ever thought that an open enrollment was a good idea..? Geeez

47 posted on 12/11/2013 10:27:28 AM PST by carlo3b (RUFFLE FEATHERS, and destroy their FEATHER NEST!)
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To: dfwgator

GOPe had better be careful continuing to tease the tail of the Dragon. It could burn down the entire mansion they inhabit.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 10:28:28 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: meadsjn
-- Any state holding a primary or caucus during the first two weeks of March must award its delegates proportionally, rather than winner-take-all.

All states should have the same rules. If they are splitting delegates for early state, they should do it for all states.
49 posted on 12/11/2013 10:30:16 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: kobald

RINO incumbent protection program.


50 posted on 12/11/2013 10:47:34 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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