Skip to comments.Republicans moving to overhaul 2016 primary process
Posted on 12/11/2013 8:58:49 AM PST by kobald
A handful of Republican Party officials is quietly advancing a new batch of rules aimed at streamlining a chaotic presidential nominating process that many party insiders viewed as damaging to the their campaign for the White House in 2012, multiple GOP sources told CNN.
In a series of closed-door meetings since August, handpicked members of the Republican National Committee have been meeting with party Chairman Reince Priebus in Washington to hash out details of a sweeping plan to condense the nominating calendar, severely punish primary and caucus states that upend the agreed-upon voting order and potentially move the party's national convention to earlier in the summer, with late June emerging as the ideal target date...
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All rules to make it difficult for a grasroots candidate to get momentum. Big money insider candidates favored. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
yep, that’s it. The problem in 2012 was ‘the rules’, not the lack of candidates. Romney was a terrible option...although he probably was the least terrible option in that field. The same rules worked fine in 2000 and 2004, and before that when we were winning. The difference today is a lack of candidates and a lack of testicular fortitude to be aggressive against their opponents in the other party.
The one thing they DON’T need is endless debates moderated by Journ-0-lists.
During the last several elections I’ve been saying that either the Republican party reforms, or it will die like the Whigs and be replaced.
I’m afraid we’re past the point of no return. Not a chance that the GOP can be saved.
They’ve been stacking the primaries for years with early voting in liberal and open primary states, making it easy for the Democrats to come in and cheat—as Hillary regularly did, busing her supporters into New Hampshire.
Now that’s not enough for them. They have to stick it to the base even more. NO WAY that they will ever wake up and smell the roses. Too much pork and perks are at stake. They are the Party of Corruption.
The Corrupt Bastards Club, as Sarah Palin named them in Alaska—before she shoveled them out and jailed a few of them. (But now they’re back in Alaska, in the person of Lisa Mudcowski.)
No, but they do need a lot of debates moderated by real conservative media types .THAT’s very instructive, and debates are a good way for a non monied candidate to rise to the top.
Reform should start by nixing this idiotic Iowa/New Hampshire start.
Limiting choices and regulating the process so that only favored candidates can afford to run or are even allowed to run.......sounds very communist party to me...............
I doubt the GOPe agrees.
Bingo. There should be a single primary day for everyone. Or at least regional primaries of several states that are connected.......
Sorry, can’t agree with a single primary day. That would be terrible for many reasons, including playing into establishment hands.
This could be good for a small candidate. The late convention always means that you can raise limited funds to spend during the primary season, so until you are officially the nominee you can’t spend general election funds. When the candidate is basically chosen and has to sit for a few months unable to raise or spend money, you end up with either a situation like we have had in the past where you mortgage the computers in the office for money, or you can only run and compete if you’re rich. All the while the democrats spend union money and get free press accolades all summer.
A small candidate can win if they’re good enough. Herman Cain was ahead for a while until he imploded. Santorum competed for a long time. It’s not the insider fix that gets RINO candidates the nomination, it’s the fact that other candidates either don’t hold up well under the lights (Rick Perry) or they can’t win in the states that have the early primaries.
Stop putting goofy Iowa and New Hampshire at the front of the line, don’t let independent voters and democrats vote in your primaries, and get out of the way.
yup the losers want to change the rules so they can keep on losing
Amen. Plus have the mall within 45-60 days of each other so more candidates stay in so I am not left voting for left overs.
I think a better primary system would be 5 ten state primary dates with states from each region chosen on a rotating lottery system.
On each date you would get 2 western, 2 eastern, 2 northern, 2 southern, and 2 central states.
Didn't the Romney folks try to change the rules to keep grassroots groups from "influencing" the presidential primaries? I'll have to look for info about that.
Also, too bad we gave the DNC permission to commit fraud with the 1982 Consent Decree. It basically says RNC cannot prevent voter fraud....
Our primary last time was one week after the election.
If they wanted to do something useful they could arrange to have closed primaries at the state level.
Of course McCain and Linda would be opposed to it.
Are they gonna run any candidates that don’t suck? Primary process doesn’t matter if they make it the 3rd campaign in a row with nobody that deserves my vote.
No "reform" should go forward without eliminating this archaic and harmful process.
Mike Huckabee actually did something right with his forum format.
Only 1 candidate on stage at a time and they were held to the topic of themselves and their own policies.
The seemingly never-ending ‘debates’ and multiple primary days all across the country is very expensive and tiring on both the candidates and the electorate.
I remember the night comedians, Leno, Letterman, etc, making fun of the long debate process of what was it 20+ debates?
Plus the George Stepinalloverus loaded questions and other liberal media tricks and mischief would be limited.............
The Iowa Caucus is just an absurd practice .and it’s nothing but a fund raiser for the Iowa parties .way outsized in importance. Meanwhile, NH is an oddball little population with a lot of cross over voters. Neither does a good job of picking a Republican winner ..tho it works great for Dems.
The first real primary of any kind of reasonable electorate is SC, which even tho a smallish state, has a turn out of more than Iowa’s weird caucus and NH’s tiny populations combined .but then it’s on to huge Florida after only one “normal” state.
Yes, that's the ticket to success!!!
Frickin MORONS lost Florida Twice with these "punishments" and now they line up behind Hillary. They might not see it that way - or they might and just don't care but that's where it seems to be headed. I will start practicing saying "president Hillary Clinton"
Personally, I'd recommend approval voting.
The candidate with the most approval of the party wins. That would tend to be the most unifying of the candidates.
Those old rules gave us Romney and McCain, how could the new rules be worse?
Put the first primary in Texas...ok, I'm biased.
And get rid of open primaries.
exactly what they are doing
Red Hampshire ALSO hosts a lot of out of state voters on Election Day...come on up some time and check out the busses and cars with Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Maine plates...the first Tuesday of November is not exactly part of tourist season.
-- Any state holding a primary or caucus during the first two weeks of March must award its delegates proportionally, rather than winner-take-all.
The measure is designed to prevent a candidate from catching fire in the early states and then riding a burst of momentum to winner-take-all victories in expensive, delegate-rich states such as Florida or Texas. The early March window would give underfunded, insurgent candidates a chance to prove their mettle.
"It will allow a grassroots candidate to stay in the race and try to raise money and score some wins," said Smack. "If they can't score wins by that time, they probably need to pack it in and try again four years later."
Not if we don’t have any running.
“That would be terrible for many reasons, including playing into establishment hands.”
You can bet once again Texas will wind up having no say as to who the nominee is.
any primary process that comes up with Dole,McLame, Mitt or even another damned Bush is seriously screwed up.
you mean real horse shit like candy crowley?
Some items being discussed include:
Midwestern Super Tuesday after the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida
regional primary system
Convention by Mid July at the latest
For the RNC, it’s chaotic. For GOP voters, it’s freedom of speech.
Big money and established candidates would be the only ones with a chance in a one day national primary.
I’m from CA, but would be perfectly fine with having primaries in FL,GA,OH,MO,CO,and AZ decide the whole thing. They would provide a good mix. IA and NH are not indicative of anything nation-wide.
What they need to do is throw the name of every state in a hat, and draw them out for assigned dates. This will keep the GOPe from frontloading liberal states.
Well, lets see how this little battle plays out. GOPe is trying desperately to not be removed from positions of influence. Yes, baby, we are coming for you soon.
I don’t know if I like the hat idea, but anything would be an improvement over what we have now I suppose .
If we conservatives would stop screwing around, and vote for one person, they would have no ability to do anything.
Bingo.. Who in the Hell ever thought that an open enrollment was a good idea..? Geeez
GOPe had better be careful continuing to tease the tail of the Dragon. It could burn down the entire mansion they inhabit.
RINO incumbent protection program.