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Palin Apologizes For Comments About Pope Francis
washingtonpost.com ^ | November 14, 2013 | BY AARON BLAKE

Posted on 12/11/2013 11:04:51 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion

Edited on 12/11/2013 11:09:25 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Sarah Palin on Thursday apologized for comments that suggested Pope Francis might be adopting liberal positions.

Palin had said on CNN on Tuesday that the Pope has "had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me."


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1 posted on 12/11/2013 11:04:51 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

She was right about him.


2 posted on 12/11/2013 11:05:42 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why are you posting something from a month ago?


3 posted on 12/11/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why should she apologize for being right?


4 posted on 12/11/2013 11:06:47 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Call a spade a spade.. and leave it at that.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 11:08:04 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It doesn’t say what the Pope actually said without the media filter?


6 posted on 12/11/2013 11:09:05 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I haven’t been able to determine where I come down on Pope Francis yet. One thing I have noted, whenever I read published words of Pope Benedict I always understood exactly what he was saying. Much of the time when I read Pope Francis’ comments I don’t have a clue what his point is. It sounds like platitudes and obfuscation. That may be the media taking partial statements out of context or it may just be me. But it’s a phenomenon I’ve noticed.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 11:09:37 AM PST by circlecity
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To: BarnacleCenturion
"...It was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis," Palin wrote. " I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn't done mine yet on the Pope's recent comments as reported by the media. Knowing full well how often the media mischaracterizes a person’s comments (especially a religious leader’s), I don’t trust them to get it right when it comes to reporting on the Vatican. Palin said that, since she made her comments, Catholics have assured her that the Pope is a "sincere and faithful" leader of the church.

Liberal Catholics have assured her?

8 posted on 12/11/2013 11:11:35 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: GeronL

“Why should she apologize for being right?”

Because she obviously doesn’t think that she was right.

And she wasn’t.

If you have any direct quotes from Pope Francis saying anything against capitalism post them here. Articles from MSNBC and the Huffington Post are not valid.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 11:13:02 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Should this be under ‘Breaking News’ ??/


10 posted on 12/11/2013 11:13:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: BarnacleCenturion

What’s your opinion?


11 posted on 12/11/2013 11:13:14 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: circlecity
That may be the media taking partial statements out of context or it may just be me.

It ain't you. Just sayin'...

12 posted on 12/11/2013 11:14:56 AM PST by Bob
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To: BarnacleCenturion; GeronL

He has made several statements which are confusing, but then he’s a man and makes mistakes like the rest of us.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 11:19:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Then where can we go to find out the super duper deep secrets about this Pope, who apparently, unlike every other Pope in history, cannot be figured out from his statements??????


14 posted on 12/11/2013 11:20:32 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Here you go

But just as a sample try this

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system
Sounds rather marxist to me.
15 posted on 12/11/2013 11:30:17 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
among all Americans, including the nearly eight in 10 who aren’t Catholics, 69 percent see Francis favorably
16 posted on 12/11/2013 11:31:39 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: BarnacleCenturion

She apologizes for something this mild while the libs let some of the worst bile come out of their mouths with no sanctions. See tagline.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 11:35:23 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: circlecity

I really wish I spoke Italian because the more I look into this, the more I find conflicting and contradictory translations.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 11:35:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Sarah Palin is truly a Christian woman.
She seeks forgiveness from those she offends, and grants it to those who have offended her (Martin Bashir).

I think it’s in the Bible or something.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 11:37:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: McGruff
What’s your opinion?

The poster doesn't have one, this is simply a piece lazily posted that has already been discussed.

20 posted on 12/11/2013 11:38:14 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: from occupied ga; BarnacleCenturion

Not only Marxist, but ignorant as well…..blitheringly astonishingly ignorant.


21 posted on 12/11/2013 11:40:03 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Bob
That may be the media taking partial statements out of context or it may just be me.

Nah! The Media would never lie!/sarc

22 posted on 12/11/2013 11:40:09 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: sickoflibs
Should this be under ‘Breaking News’ ??/

Is that you Pissant?
23 posted on 12/11/2013 11:42:12 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Pissant ??? LOL

That brings back fond memories.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 11:43:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Not only Marxist, but ignorant as well…..blitheringly astonishingly ignorant

Not sure about the ignorance part except as only the willfully ignorant embrace Marxism. I'm thinking ideological. Like this gem from the same source

Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills
An economy of inequality is by definition a real economy. Should a surgeon get the same pay as a burger flipper or as a welfare parasite? Solid Marxism. This from a man who although he has no salary as such lives in a palace every bit as luxurious as the fanciest of lifestyles other of heads of state. I'm guessing he doesn't cook his own meals or do his own shopping either.
25 posted on 12/11/2013 11:51:04 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Here you go - this example is from the original document on 11/24/13

APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
EVANGELII GAUDIUM
OF THE HOLY FATHER
FRANCIS
TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY,
CONSECRATED PERSONS
AND THE LAY FAITHFUL
ON THE PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPEL
IN TODAY’S WORLD

page 46- #54


26 posted on 12/11/2013 11:51:14 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: sickoflibs
Pissant...That brings back fond memories.

I want some of whatever drugs you are taking.

27 posted on 12/11/2013 11:53:13 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why is she stumbling so much of late? I was surprised to her book is #383 on Amazon 2 weeks before Christmas. Beck’s latest came out 4 days after hers and is #15.


28 posted on 12/11/2013 11:55:01 AM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: McGruff

Pissant was entertaining, he upset the sheep.

He got tiffy with me at least one time that I can remember but its just typing.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 11:56:41 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Stop with the apologies already. It makes you look wrong and weak. The libtards do not care about the truth.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 12:04:58 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: sickoflibs

I hadn’t heard anything about Pissant and sheep but now that you mention it. Hmmm?


31 posted on 12/11/2013 12:06:32 PM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“If you have any direct quotes from Pope Francis saying anything against capitalism post them here. Articles from MSNBC and the Huffington Post are not valid.”

“Ethics – a non-ideological ethics – would make it possible to bring about balance and a more humane social order. With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

Francis the pope.

” We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.”

Francis the pope.

” It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare.”

Francis the pope.


32 posted on 12/11/2013 12:06:42 PM PST by Slambat
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Kudos to palin for her thoughtful honesty.

Personally, however, I don't think any human is infallible.

33 posted on 12/11/2013 12:08:43 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Robert's Revenge is kicking in.)
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To: McGruff

You are funny

‘BAAA BAAA BAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH”

‘Pissant, is that you back there behind that sheep??”


34 posted on 12/11/2013 12:10:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: BarnacleCenturion; SumProVita

This might be a good place to repost something I’ve posted before on this subject. The Washington Post also doesn’t quite tell the full story IMO:

“Just to clarify my comment to Jake Tapper about Pope Francis, it was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis. I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn’t done mine yet on the Pope’s recent comments as reported by the media. Knowing full well how often the media mischaracterizes a person’s comments (especially a religious leader’s), I don’t trust them to get it right when it comes to reporting on the Vatican. I do, however, trust my many Catholic friends and family, including some excellent Catholic writers, who have since assured me that Pope Francis is as sincere and faithful a shepherd of his church as his two predecessors whom I admired. I apologize for not being clearer in my response, thus opening the door to critical media that does what it does best in ginning up controversy.”

Sounds like to me, Gov. Palin had some good advice there. By the way, if one actually watches the interview in question (http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/sarah-palin-taken-aback-by-pope-franciss-liberal-statements/) objectively, she doesn’t even say flat out then that she “thought Francis was a liberal”. She said it sounds like he is,BUT she doesn’t want to base her opinion solely on what the media has reported on him. She even said that then, during the interview, and repeated it for clarity in her Facebook post quoted above (from Nov 14)

So in reality, Gov. Palin never had anything to apologize for, other than not being clear (to some people’s ears). Again, she clearly said in the interview if that it “sounds like” (Pope Francis) is “liberal”, but that she didn’t wish to base such an opinion on what the media has reported on Pope Francis. That she believed then (and still did as of Nov 14) that it was best for EVERYONE to look at ALL the facts themselves (which necessarily means not just isolated quotes of the Pope, taken OUT of context) and base one’s opinion on same, NOT just the media’s spin!

Something, it seems, many FReepers are neglecting to do. I wonder why, all of a sudden, when the Pope is the story or anything Catholic, it seems as though more than a few are willing to gobble up what the media reports alone, and “run” with it. Never mind, I think I know the answer to that question.

For anyone interested in the truth, rather than wallowing in the filth of willful ignorance, listen here: http://www.avemariaradio.net/archive-categories/kresta-in-the-afternoon

Scroll down to Kresta in the Afternoon, and find the Dec 2nd recording, hour 1.

Thanks again to Sum Pro Vita.


35 posted on 12/11/2013 12:21:41 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: from occupied ga
As an FYI, there are three fairly significant translation errors in that one paragraph.

The original (Spanish) states:

54. En este contexto, algunos todavía defienden las teorías del «derrame», que suponen que todo crecimiento económico, favorecido por la libertad de mercado, logra provocar por sí mismo mayor equidad e inclusión social en el mundo…

With the above, here's how it fits in the English:

54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories [NB: Sp, “teorías del «derrame»”, “theories of spillage”] which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably [NB: Sp, por sí mismo, “by itself”] succeed in bringing about greater justice [NB: Sp, equidad, “equity”] and inclusiveness in the world.

While I understand that "teorías del «derrame»" is often used in Spanish the same way that "trickle-down" is used by leftist academics in this country, there is a HUGE difference between "inevitable" and "by itself". There is also a pretty significant difference between "equity" and "justice."

Now having said that, please don't take me for a sycophant. I have previously expressed significant concerns with Art. 202, where he states "Inequality is the root of social ills." (Sp: La inequidad es raíz de los males sociales.)...the reason I have concern is that it contradicts so much of the teachings of prior popes (who have mostly stated that inequality is the natural, God-ordained, order of things).

36 posted on 12/11/2013 12:27:53 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

not everyone agrees with you


37 posted on 12/11/2013 12:28:29 PM PST by Nifster
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To: SoConPubbie
Is that you Pissant?

..I miss my bud--bomb throwing and all...

38 posted on 12/11/2013 12:35:11 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner
..I miss my bud--bomb throwing and all...

So do I, minus the bomb-throwing.
39 posted on 12/11/2013 12:56:55 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Many years ago our local big-city newspaper said that a recent Pope’s encyclical said that a Catholic widow was not allowed to re-marry.

It took several weeks and many complaints for the paper to apologize and to print the actual words in the Pope’s encyclical which were that when a woman was used to a healthy and normal sex life with her husband, she sometimes resorted to trysts after her husband’s death in order to assure herself that she was still appreciated as a woman, and that she must not fall into that trap.

Quite a difference between the truth and the paper’s original reporting.


40 posted on 12/11/2013 12:59:07 PM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why, she was and is 100% correct....


41 posted on 12/11/2013 1:19:07 PM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Palin clarified in the interview that she was relying on media reports in drawing that conclusion.

In a Facebook post Thursday, she said the media indeed got it wrong and that she shouldn't have relied on it before investigating the matter for herself.

So there you go...she relied on the media, said she was relying on the media and noted that she reserved the right to change her position based on the facts...

So the MEDIA ought to apologize for misleading the public.

But why would the media apologize for that? It misleads ALL the time.

42 posted on 12/11/2013 1:34:03 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: BarnacleCenturion

He’s a JESUIT.....they almost ALWAYS have LIBERAL leanings!!! Luckily it’s just in this so far and not in GAY MARRIAGE, MARRIED PRIESTS, WOMEN PRIESTS, ABORTION!!!!!


43 posted on 12/11/2013 1:37:32 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: from occupied ga

Ideological for sure, but ignorant as well….the idea that free exchange economies depend on the good will of those with the money…it does not. Govt control depends on that…..


44 posted on 12/11/2013 1:44:28 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: from occupied ga
An economy of inequality is by definition a real economy.

"Equality" is often abused. Equality of opportunity is conflated with equality of outcome. Leftists use this confusion to trick the low infos.
45 posted on 12/11/2013 1:44:31 PM PST by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why would you care who posts what? Does FreeRepublic belong to you?


46 posted on 12/11/2013 1:50:54 PM PST by Ray54
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Palin apologizes”

Why?


47 posted on 12/11/2013 1:51:28 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Bob

It’s the WAPO. They’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel for some dirt to report, instead of covering Barry’s Excellent Adventure, or Bengahzi, Syria, Iran, Obamacare pain, and the stinky economy.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 2:50:18 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: markomalley

A couple of observations, from someone who frankly wishes the bickering would stop:

The OP from WaPo is dated early November and the Pope’s statements on economics occurred after Mrs. Palin apologized. These two events do not necessarily conflate.

Second, and I’m asking you in particular because we’ve had good discussions before, is there some reason an institution as important and influential as the Vatican can’t find anyone who can accurately translate the English language? It would seem to me that a lot of discord could be avoided.

Bless your day.


49 posted on 12/11/2013 2:56:16 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Catholics pull the old “nativist card” and critics fold like a road map.


50 posted on 12/11/2013 2:57:20 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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