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Newtown anniversary: US schools keep trying wrong fixes...
NBC News ^ | 12/11/2013 | Bill Dedman

Posted on 12/11/2013 2:10:19 PM PST by carriage_hill

Full Title: "Newtown anniversary: US schools keep trying wrong fixes to deter school shootings, experts say."

It happened after Columbine, after Virginia Tech, and after Newtown, too. After every massacre in a school, Americans grasp at quick cures. Let's install metal detectors and give guns to teachers. Let's crack down on troublemakers, weeding out kids who fit the profile of a gunman. Let's buy bulletproof whiteboards for the students to scurry behind, or train kids to throw erasers or cans of soup at an attacker.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anniversary; banglist; firearms; newtown; shooting
"The only thing who can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun."

The idiot leftist commie morons still don't get it, and their "feel good" solutions will only get more kids and teachers killed.

1 posted on 12/11/2013 2:10:19 PM PST by carriage_hill
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2 posted on 12/11/2013 2:10:49 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Just think if the bad guy had to go through a choke point (like the front office) covered by half a dozen people with guns.
Most school shooters wouldn’t get very far.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 2:19:11 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

That’s a darned good idea. With entrance cameras, they’d see him coming with a duffel bag, and could be ready to drop him quickly.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 2:23:05 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
People with Jesus in their heart don't shoot up schools. Another product of getting God out of schools IMO.
5 posted on 12/11/2013 2:25:26 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: carriage_hill

If you manage to get to the end of the article you see that this genius’s solution would have done absolutely nothing to stop the Newtown attack. The only factor the shooter met was “access” to firearms. Yeah, he and a few tens of millions of others.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 2:31:36 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: carriage_hill

This is actually not a really good article. Despite it’s griping, it still does not truly address the issues.

To wit: serious crime punishment, and bringing back insane asylums.


7 posted on 12/11/2013 2:41:06 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: colorado tanker; the OlLine Rebel

It’s pretty typical of most lib “solutions” - which essentially are non-solutions - of funding do-nothing programs with someone else’s money, and growing the size of gov’t and any bureaucracy they can.

The solution is to kill the shooter before he can do any damage: zero recidivism. People who are that far gone into madness and the desire for slaughter, probably should just be dispatched from this world. JMO.


8 posted on 12/11/2013 2:50:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
The idiot leftist commie morons still don't get it, and their "feel good" solutions will only get more kids and teachers killed.

You've got it exactly right, carriage_hill, and here's the rest of it: sooner or later, more students and teachers killed will result in more infringements of the Second Amendment. Dead students and teachers are a small price for communists to pay for so-called "gun control."

9 posted on 12/11/2013 2:50:50 PM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Sybeck1

God has been thrown out of the Nation - collectively speaking - and we’re paying a terrible price for it. A much steeper price is yet to come, if we don’t come back to Him.


10 posted on 12/11/2013 2:52:37 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
Let's install metal detectors and give guns to teachers. Let's crack down on troublemakers, weeding out kids who fit the profile of a gunman.

What's wrong with those suggestions?

11 posted on 12/11/2013 2:57:59 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Even Forest Gump got into Alabama...)
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To: Standing Wolf

Dead students and teachers are a small price for communists to pay for so-called “gun control.”

BINGO!

The commie agenda is relentless and merciless; the world’s history is plain to see, if Americans would only recognize what the dems are: communists/Marxists/fascists/socialists all rolled into one label: “progressives”. But when the dems are playing Santa Claus, with all the “free shit”, no one (takers) getting that stuff wants to call them on it.


12 posted on 12/11/2013 2:59:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Here, according to NBC (Nothing But Communism) are the solutions to stop school shootings:

1. No bullying allowed.

2. Deal with grievances real fast.

3. Allow students to squeak up if they feel unsafe.

4. If a student feels suicidal, give them a communist to talk to.

5. Lock up all guns in the home.

They forgot to add these measures:

A. Midnight basketball.

B. Banning magazines that hold more than one round.

C. Investing in tomato soup cans to throw at crazed gunmen.

D. Bunkers.

E. Claymore mines.

F. One-way freighter tickets for democrats to North Korea.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 3:06:43 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Nothing, both are good and should be done. But also remember that Lanza was pulled out of school either by his mother - and possibly at the school’s suggestion; who knows - and look what he still managed to do. What happens to the ones “weeded out”? Asylums?


14 posted on 12/11/2013 3:07:01 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

They still have them...they are called hospitals now.


15 posted on 12/11/2013 3:12:24 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Even Forest Gump got into Alabama...)
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To: Sybeck1
"People with Jesus in their heart don't shoot up schools. Another product of getting God out of schools IMO."

Probably not.

But that doesn't keep schools from being shot up.

16 posted on 12/11/2013 3:15:31 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: carriage_hill

Ping!


17 posted on 12/11/2013 3:15:44 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: sergeantdave

“A. Midnight basketball.”

One of my favorites, when I argue with a dem: “How’s that gem-of-an-idea working out these days, moron?”


18 posted on 12/11/2013 3:23:01 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Hospitals are scaling back drastically, and many are just closing, thanks to 0bummerCare. We’re going to need to re-build super-max asylums to house all the dangerous kids, or put them into escape-proof islands, like in “Escape From NY”.


19 posted on 12/11/2013 3:27:39 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The world of surveillance operated by the people we pay to guard us, far exceeds the fevered dreams of the Stasi.


20 posted on 12/11/2013 3:34:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
Uh, no. The average person will not hit any target they aim at and the more bullets fired the more off target they will be. Fact.

Another fact, NO polar bear, or any other type ever attacked ever attacked anyone that sprayed them with bear spray... and the spraying defender did not even have to hit the attacker perfectly.

A human attacker will be instantly blinded, find breathing very hard hard, and most likely unable to do much of anything that requires control of their hands of body. It is pretty much incapacitating to even large bears. How do you think a human would be if they get sprayed? Better yet it does not even need to be a shot to the head like needed for the walking dead.

Just spray it close to the perp and they are out of action. But it does not kill or permanently injure a human. Lot's of water washes it off and they can stand trial or be stomped to death... where they will be in permanent pain, or die of injuries. Your choice once the threat is eliminated.
21 posted on 12/11/2013 4:07:55 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: carriage_hill

My school district has trained, armed staff.

That’s the best response, though none will ever be perfect.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 4:18:23 PM PST by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: JSteff

Sounds great, unless the shooter is 40-50ft, or more away and shooting at you with an AR-15 or other semi-auto rifle. The Walking Dead aren’t armed and walk slowly. Probably didn’t happen that way at Columbine, Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook.


23 posted on 12/11/2013 4:22:07 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: cookcounty

You’re 100% right; nothing will ever be perfect.

Cook County, IL? I grew-up in Arlington Hts in 50s & 60s, went to Mt Prospect HS; left in ‘67 for Drake Univ in Iowa. It was a very different place back then. We had rifle teams at HS, and kept our rifles and ammo in our hall lockers.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 4:26:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
Nope and those guys should have just been executed in the parking lot. It should have been televised, if they weren't killed when the swat teams/Leo's got there.
25 posted on 12/11/2013 4:44:15 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: JSteff

SWAT teams and police at Columbine, VA Tech and Sandy Hook waited 15-30mins before entering the schools, unsure of/fearing the number of shooters. They wanted to go home alive that night to their families, too. It’s going to have to be done by someone inside, directly confronting the immediate threat(s), before he gets to the students. All shooters at those 3 massacres committed suicide after the fact. It’s usually too late when the police get there; the damage has already been done.

Hence, the maxim: “When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.”When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


26 posted on 12/11/2013 5:00:00 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: JSteff

Breaking News: American University is on lockdown; shooter on campus. ABC News bulletin...


27 posted on 12/11/2013 5:07:22 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

That doesn’t prevent it from starting, only possibly from getting worse.

The best way to prevent such things is to stop pussy-footing around jackasses and psychos, and punish them as appropriate. Being serious about jailing and treating crooks as the scum they are, and psychos treated in asylums set aside just for them.


28 posted on 12/11/2013 6:01:45 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: carriage_hill

Update on American University: Man with a gun was found; it was an off-duty DC cop. Lockdown canceled. Good.


29 posted on 12/11/2013 7:04:32 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

We have an impotent legal system in-place, which doesn’t do that, and asylums were ruled illegal by courts many years ago, and the psychos dumped on to the streets to cause huge problems of all kinds. I’m fresh out of workable ideas, other than killing them all, and that won’t go over well.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 7:08:08 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

That is my point. The whole system needs to turn back time. I know chances are fat, but it can technically be changed. And the same stupid legal impediments hold you back on firearms, too, BTW.


31 posted on 12/11/2013 7:14:20 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: carriage_hill
Out founders knew the Gun grabbers, and they were not American friendly.
It's the 2nd Amendment for a reason. The 1st is also 1st for a reason, and
that is so there's no ignoring either.
32 posted on 12/11/2013 8:25:07 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: carriage_hill
What ever the reason, the shooter opted out of normal society. If they find the shooter and the evidence is overwhelming no time or money should be wasted on trials or confinement... just execute them immediately. Televise it to deter future acts like this one.

Again, they opted out of society so we would just be granting their wishes.
33 posted on 12/12/2013 5:11:43 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: carriage_hill

Where are the posters who *insist* that homeschooling is the *answer* to all problems?


34 posted on 12/12/2013 5:16:47 AM PST by Daffynition (Make Laura Bush's *Cowboy Cookies* for Christmas! They're GREAT!)
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To: carriage_hill
Coincidence that this report was instigated by NBC?''

Newtown anniversary: NBC reporters gain access to some schools with ease

**NBC reporters were able to access school buildings and walk around at several New York-area schools, two NBC investigations have found, raising questions about school security as the anniversary of the massacre in Newtown, Conn. approaches.

"Today" National Investigative Correspondent Jeff Rossen was able to enter one New Jersey school without giving a name. Unescorted, he went looking for the main office, per school policy. As he looked, he walked past several classrooms with kids, stopping at one to ask a teacher for directions. No one asked who he was, or what he was doing there. For two minutes, he walked through the halls, and was only stopped once he arrived at the office.**

35 posted on 12/12/2013 5:21:35 AM PST by Daffynition (Make Laura Bush's *Cowboy Cookies* for Christmas! They're GREAT!)
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To: JSteff

Agreed, but the ACLU etc would block it all in the courts. It would have to be a quick, summary execution with immunity for executionists.


36 posted on 12/12/2013 5:24:27 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
And all three of those incidents could have been stopped pretty immediately with with Bear spray. Then the shooter could have been executed quickly as they were obviously guilty and their actions had shown they had opted not to e part of society.

They chose their fate of the end, at the beginning of their spree. As noted, publicly/televise execute them for the deterrent effect on other crazies.

Do it quickly and crime will drop quickly. They do not need mental health, just executed quickly to prevent other crazies.
37 posted on 12/12/2013 5:24:39 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Daffynition

Wide-open, soft targets just waiting to get hit. The muzzies will love this, when they get their ‘go orders’.


38 posted on 12/12/2013 5:27:55 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Daffynition

I thought they’d have been here by now; no-shows so far.


39 posted on 12/12/2013 5:29:05 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

...as the gun-free-zoners argue in Newtown how to divide the
monetary contributions to Sandy Hook families.


40 posted on 12/12/2013 5:53:37 AM PST by Daffynition (Make Laura Bush's *Cowboy Cookies* for Christmas! They're GREAT!)
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To: Daffynition

Like rats and maggots to a carcass, they descended on that town a year ago, and will be staying and milking it for all they can, for as long as they can.


41 posted on 12/12/2013 6:06:58 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
They are so exciting!


42 posted on 12/12/2013 6:08:06 AM PST by Daffynition (Make Laura Bush's *Cowboy Cookies* for Christmas! They're GREAT!)
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To: Daffynition

LOL!


43 posted on 12/12/2013 6:10:13 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

It is kinda hard to get a gun out of a duffle bag, quickly, too.

You call good guys with guns to stop bad guys with guns - and they stop the bad guys by using guns. Folks need to cut out the middleman and do the stopping themselves - and schools need to allow their personnel to have the tools.


44 posted on 12/12/2013 6:49:34 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: carriage_hill
SWAT teams and police at Columbine, VA Tech and Sandy Hook waited 15-30mins before entering the schools, unsure of/fearing the number of shooters.

The SWAT team at Columbine waited over 2 hours before entering the school.

45 posted on 12/12/2013 7:08:41 AM PST by TYVets
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To: carriage_hill

Hi carriage_hill, Biggirl!

Can you please help me today, get the Rush Thread up, have PT again today! Thank-you! :)=^..^=


46 posted on 12/12/2013 7:10:11 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: JSteff

I can think of two potential problems with that approach. First, in an enclosed space like a schoolroom, with climate control blowing air around, bear spray could incapacitate more than just the intended target. Just people spraying regular pepper spray in crowded rooms has led to trampling deaths before.

Also, if it was known that we were arming school staff with bear spray, a school shooter would probably just bring a gas mask.


47 posted on 12/13/2013 4:46:09 PM PST by Boogieman
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