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Pope attacks mega-salaries and wealth gap in peace message
Reuters ^ | Dec 12, 2014 | By Philip Pullella

Posted on 12/12/2013 7:11:26 AM PST by what's up

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I wonder what kind of "policies" the Pope envisions to "guarantee access" to capital, services, healthcare etc.

He and Obama seem to be on the same page regarding "spreading the wealth" around or, as the Pope says in this article "sharing the wealth".

1 posted on 12/12/2013 7:11:26 AM PST by what's up
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“fundamental rights, including access to capital, services, educational resources, healthcare and technology”

Wait... all those things cost money. So people have a fundamental right to others’ money?

How does that fit with “do not covet or steal”?


2 posted on 12/12/2013 7:13:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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We are supposed to help as individuals not at the point of a gun as part of a collective effort.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 7:13:20 AM PST by GeorgeTex (Obama-The Ultimate Terrorist Weapon.)
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To: what's up

The opulence of the church, its real estate and its mega-Cathedrals are in stark contrast with the poverty of the world. Why doesn’t the pope practice what he preaches.


4 posted on 12/12/2013 7:16:23 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: what's up

How much has the US spent on it’s war on poverty? 15 Trillion? How’s that working out???


5 posted on 12/12/2013 7:17:37 AM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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Until the Catholic Church starts giving back the wealth it acquired through centuries of corruption and intrigue, and embraces the simplicity and humility it demands of its members, the Pope can go fly a kite.


6 posted on 12/12/2013 7:17:55 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: what's up
He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more

I don't see anyone at the Vatican drinking out of paper cups.

7 posted on 12/12/2013 7:18:40 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: what's up

??? The Pope doesn’t pay for the mega-salaries himself, does he?

Spiritual leader (seems to me) wants to “worry” too much about stuff not in his realm.

/”Yo, Peace (out)!” with the two fingers bumping chest.


8 posted on 12/12/2013 7:19:46 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: GeorgeTex

The “Christian” left just doesn’t seem to get that.
There is strong appeal in fulfilling your obligations with no personal sacrifice, I guess.


9 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ladyjane

socialist will never answer that question . they cant ..afford to.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:05 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: what's up
If he thinks inequalities are a big problem in free market societies, then he should see what they look like in North Korea. I wonder where you will find more people inclined to Christian charity? Some capitalist country like the United States used to be? Or his own native Argentina?

Before the turn of the last century, Argentina was one of the 10 richest countries on earth. It was also a magnet for immigrants, many of whom joined the Catholic Church.

Today, it is firmly in the third world camp, despite being rich in resources and sparsely populated. Capitalism did not do that to Argentina, socialism did.

Pope Francis may be a fine man and a genuinely decent man. But if his prescription to inequality is really more socialism, then he's an economic idiot.

11 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:56 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I wish he would knock it off already

Jesus never attacked the mega rich and advised that Caesar do something to redistribute out incomes.... He left it up to the individual and their conscience

by the way some of the mega rich like Gates do a pretty darn good job at making sure the poor have access to “capital” food education jobs medicine etc


12 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:58 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: ladyjane

there ya go

sell off church property and give away the money


13 posted on 12/12/2013 7:21:38 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: what's up

Anyone ever watch “the Shoes of the Fisherman “..Anthony Quinn ??


14 posted on 12/12/2013 7:22:39 AM PST by Einherjar
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To: MeshugeMikey; silverleaf

I wonder what Cardinal Law’s salary is over at the Vatican. He had no problem flying first class when he absconded from Boston.


15 posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:20 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: what's up

I’m sure obama and his communist regime will find these comments quite useful.

Palin apologized to soon, I still don’t understand why she did that, unless she intends to run for office, then it was purely political.

BTW I love Sarah, but sometimes, she makes mistakes, and it should be pointed out, like the pope she is not perfect.


16 posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:30 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: what's up

Any clegyman nominated for Man of the Year by Time has to have a lot of problems.

This current Pope is a product of neo-marxist “liberation” theology. At a time when Christianity need a poweful advocate for Christian moral values and a warrior against militant Islam, the College of Cardinals gave us a recycled crypto-marxist.

I really think this man IS the “Peter the Roman” of St. Malachy.


17 posted on 12/12/2013 7:26:24 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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Wonder if the Pope is about to have the garage sale of all garage sales to aid the poor.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 7:26:39 AM PST by allendale
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Oh, great! Now the HRC is a socialist organization....

If you read the book of Acts, the early believers sold everything they had and shared their wealth, but no one directed them to do so, only one account of (Godly)punishment was recorded because the two in question lied to the apostle and the Holy Spirit about what they had, not that they had anything or not.....

Equalizing wealth means that those who are successful are punished at the expense of those who won’t, can’t or don’t have the drive to succeed; net result is only the sharing of misery, not the sharing of wealth.

The good Pope needs to read the parables of the sowers and the vineyard workers, and the investment guys in the gospels. Ain’t no sharing being done there, from the words of Christ Himself...


19 posted on 12/12/2013 7:26:44 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: what's up

Stick to the social issue, Holy Father, I humbly request. This notion of one limited pie that we all carve up is so poisonous and it is getting really old. Those who generate wealth and earn big salaries didn’t take the money from anyone. They created that wealth....they baked more pies that didn’t exist prior. With that great wealth in most cases comes jobs and opportunities for others and individual charity follows. The next natural disaster that happens will be followed up with millions of donations from the “greedy” wealthy Americans as usual.


20 posted on 12/12/2013 7:27:38 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: what's up

As a Catholic, I generally like this Pope, but I would love to have a one on one conversation with him. I would like to ask him a question: “Our daughter has always attended private Catholic schools, to which we have paid tuition. She is about to attend a private Catholic high school next year, where her tuition will more than double (~$8500). Should we pull her out of Catholic school, and give that money to the poor—for whom in the big picture, the amount would not lift them out of poverty, nor would it change their lives much?”


21 posted on 12/12/2013 7:29:22 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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Large numbers of Christians are being slaughtered every day in muslim countries throughout the world.

Obama is forcing America Catholics to endorse and support birth control, abortion and homosexual sex.

Christianity is under serious attack by governments in almost every western country.

Yet this Pope thinks the most immediate problem neeeding his attention is wealth redistribution?


22 posted on 12/12/2013 7:29:33 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: ladyjane

Ill ask Bishop Unca Scrooge!....


23 posted on 12/12/2013 7:29:43 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: what's up

I’m only here to read the comments of those brave / stupid enough to stick their necks out and defend the pope.

:)


24 posted on 12/12/2013 7:30:01 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ladyjane

Social Justice: “We’re telling you to do what we say Jesus said and having the government make sure you do it.”


25 posted on 12/12/2013 7:30:33 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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The pope fails to make any genuine distinction between Western poverty (bad enough) and the poverty of the Third World (unimaginably terrible). But is it really true that “absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation” are the driving reasons for poverty and inequality? People in places such as Congo, Burundi and Mozambique live under corrupt authoritarian regimes where crippling poverty has a thousand fathers — none of them named capitalism. The people of Togo do not suffer in destitution because of some derivative scheme on Wall Street or the fallout from a tech IPO.


26 posted on 12/12/2013 7:31:21 AM PST by wolfman
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I'm feeling lonely here, but the Pope is correct about the greed-excessive salaries and bonuses situation. Is anyone talking about policies in the US that would make it viable for people to start and grow small businesses? About bailout money that went totally to the elite? About the global banking schemes that enrich the wealthy? About wars that are manipulated to happen, using Muslims as willing tools to destabilize the status quo?

The global elite is becoming even further removed from everyone else. The solution, though, isn't easy. Global manipulation and bloated national governments are going to have to collapse first.

27 posted on 12/12/2013 7:31:48 AM PST by grania
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Physician, heal thyself. Let Pope Francis call upon members of his faith to practice charity as he recommends. Salvation, the real concern of faith leaders, is accomplished person by person, not nation by nation. So let him call upon the highly-compensated members of the Catholic Church to stand up, donate their “excess” and show the world how they can be a shining light in a world of darkness. Let him begin with politicians, celebrities, professional athletes, trust fund babies, charity leaders, etc. and see how they react.


28 posted on 12/12/2013 7:32:09 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Manly Warrior

And they shared their wealth amongst themselves, the believers,

not with every stranger that had their hand out demanding it.


29 posted on 12/12/2013 7:32:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Another point,

Why focusing on the ‘mega-salaries’?

He himself does not EARN an annual salary, because he OMNs everything the Church has.


30 posted on 12/12/2013 7:32:55 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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Pope Francis said in the first peace message of his pontificate that huge salaries and bonuses are symptoms of an economy based on greed and inequality and called again for nations to narrow the wealth gap. He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs", calling on governments to implement "effective policies" to guarantee people's fundamental rights, including access to capital, services, educational resources, healthcare and technology.

This should be an interesting thread.

31 posted on 12/12/2013 7:33:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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Obama is forcing America Catholics to endorse and support birth control, abortion and homosexual sex

Correct. Thru Gov't dictate, Obama's Gov't is FORCING every employer in America who offers health insurance to pay for the abortion pill.

You'd think the Pope would find it expedient to speak out on this horror...yet the Pope instead is making "share the wealth" speeches which play right into Obama's hand and allow him even more power.

32 posted on 12/12/2013 7:34:52 AM PST by what's up
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To: grania

The solution is not to empower corrupt, elite-saturated government further,

as the gist of his statement implies.


33 posted on 12/12/2013 7:35:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: what's up
huge salaries and bonuses are symptoms of an economy based on greed and inequality and called again for nations to narrow the wealth gap.

This from a man who lives in one of the luxurious palaces in the world. I doubt he does his own cooking, shopping for bargains, etc., like those of us he accuses of being "greedy" do. He hasn't been pope long and I'm already kind of tired of him.

34 posted on 12/12/2013 7:35:38 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Why isn’t the Pope telling American bishops to do their job?

Why should he care about “mega-salaries” at all. Not his department.This is getting tiresome.

The world needs more Scripture, not more wealth distribution.

Jesuits are trouble, especially those from Latin America.

By all means, let’s make 30 million similar socialists citizens—they deserve amnesty. /s


35 posted on 12/12/2013 7:36:21 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: grania
I'm feeling lonely here, but the Pope is correct about the greed-excessive salaries and bonuses situation...

Define 'excessive'.

36 posted on 12/12/2013 7:36:44 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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Earning large salaries and other compensation does nothing to separate an individual from God.

It does provide many temptations and it is what you do with that wealth that may lead you astray.


37 posted on 12/12/2013 7:37:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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“calling on governments to implement”

He will land us all in chains.


38 posted on 12/12/2013 7:39:16 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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When the Pope sells off some of that papal bling, we can talk.


39 posted on 12/12/2013 7:40:05 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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Stealing wealth from others, through fraud or force, is not profit, but theft (an initiation of force). Whether that theft is called a mugging, welfare, or “voluntary” taxation [a contradiction in terms], it is still theft and is always evil. Theft, like loss, is destruction; trade, like profit, is creation. To pursue profit is to pursue creation. It is an act of virtue and not a vice.

Your profit is the symbol and reward for the value of your creation, as judged by the mind’s of others who have freely-given given their wealth to you in exchange for it. Do not let the leftist intellectuals who infect our universities persuade you from thinking otherwise. In truth, it is those altruists who condemn the profit motive, who are guilty of evil.


40 posted on 12/12/2013 7:40:40 AM PST by februus
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Without the function of financial speculation, there would be a heckuva lot more poor people.


41 posted on 12/12/2013 7:41:00 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: grania
Is anyone talking about policies in the US that would make it viable for people to start and grow small businesses?

No, because the Gov't is engaging in crony capitalism bigtime. This is far from the unfettered capitalism the Pope has been decrying...socialist Gov'ts are controlling the economy, not capitalism.

In reality...if the State's power was diminished small business would flourish. But the Pope is calling for MORE Gov't intervention, not less.

42 posted on 12/12/2013 7:41:14 AM PST by what's up
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“calling on governments to implement”

Isn't that what the Nazis did to the assets of the Jews?

43 posted on 12/12/2013 7:41:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: grania

When did giving economics advice become part of the Pope’s job description?


44 posted on 12/12/2013 7:42:13 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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Give Francis a break, Catholics! Scripture is full of warnings about wealth. Oh, here’s one for the “faith without works is dead” crowd:

“Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.a 6You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.”

James 5

Preach on, Francis!


45 posted on 12/12/2013 7:43:48 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: what's up

The Pope should tend to His Flocks spiritually.
He could certainly advise Catholics to be more Charitable,

But he has no business asking governments to take from the rich and give to the poor.

That is my opinion.


46 posted on 12/12/2013 7:45:04 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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...yet the Pope instead is making "share the wealth" speeches which play right into Obama's hand

And repeatedly so. Lately it's been the same drumbeat of "sharing the wealth." That message is fine so long as it's voluntary... but this Pope sounds more like an advocate of "soak the rich" socialist economic policies.

47 posted on 12/12/2013 7:45:39 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: what's up

Why are you believing the lamestream media?

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/messages/peace/documents/papa-francesco_20131208_messaggio-xlvii-giornata-mondiale-pace-2014_en.html


48 posted on 12/12/2013 7:46:20 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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focus on the “wealth gap” is nothing other than

preaching envy and coveting what your neighbor has

from a misguided belief that high salarys for a small group of people (compared to the whole) is (a) at the expense of greatly higher salaries for everyone else, (b) a major factor in the cost of goods, (c) means that what everyone needs in life costs more than it should - all of which are economic nonsense

so why does a reported “moral authority” preach envy and coveting your neighbors money

maybe the question that needs asked is whether he really is a moral authority or not


49 posted on 12/12/2013 7:48:58 AM PST by Wuli
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I wonder what kind of "policies" the Pope envisions to "guarantee access" to capital, services, healthcare etc.

In a perfect world, there would be someone perfect to evenly spread the wealth. In this country it's best to let those who earn the wealth divide it as they see fit.

Now take heaven and hell. People are divided by giving them their just deserts. Those who were evil and violated God's law get the punishment.
People who were good get to go to heaven.
There is no mention of equally dividing the rewards of devoting your life to God with the evil people who chose to not apply their efforts to God.

I think of it as heaven and hell here on earth. You reap what you sow. With charity for those who through no fault of their own find themselves in need.

50 posted on 12/12/2013 7:51:18 AM PST by oldbrowser ("From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" .....Marx)
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