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Inside the Power of the N.R.A.
The New York Times Magazine ^ | December 12, 2013 | Robert Draper

Posted on 12/12/2013 1:32:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

To get to Joe Manchin’s private office in the Hart Senate Office Building, you first pass through a lobby where you encounter a small bronze statue of an Old West lawman holding a firearm — an award given to Manchin several years ago by a chapter of the National Rifle Association for his unswerving defense of gun rights. Then you turn down a hallway, past several framed photographs of children who were victims of the massacre a year ago at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. The combination of the bronze rifleman in the lobby and the young faces on the wall suggests a particular viewpoint — I stand with gun lovers; I stand with victims of gun violence — that qualifies, in Washington anyway, as being nuanced, which is to say politically ill advised if not suicidal.

Even sitting behind his stately wooden desk in a suit and tie, Manchin, who is 66, possesses the craggy appearance of a small-town sheriff. As he proclaimed to me one morning in September, “I enjoy my guns, and my family enjoys their guns.” And indeed, Manchin, a conservative Democrat from West Virginia, won election to the U.S. Senate in 2010 partly on the strength of a memorable TV ad depicting him firing a bullet through President Obama’s cap-and-trade bill that had been anathema to coal miners in his state. But Manchin’s outlook changed the day he came back from a hunting trip last December, having learned of the 20 children and six adults slaughtered at Sandy Hook. That unique horror motivated him in a way that other recent mass shootings in Tucson and Aurora, Colo., had not....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: banglist; congress; guncontrol; sandyhook
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1 posted on 12/12/2013 1:32:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nothing nuanced about it. If the principal of the school had been armed it could have been stopped before a single child was harmed.


2 posted on 12/12/2013 1:35:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The power of the NRA comes from its members!


3 posted on 12/12/2013 1:36:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” The combination of the bronze rifleman in the lobby and the young faces on the wall suggests a particular viewpoint “

that one has exactly nothing to do with the other.

But as propaganda, it’s pretty clever to link the two.


4 posted on 12/12/2013 1:36:43 PM PST by DBrow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Too bad they are so ignorant about the goings on in the whitehouse.
5 posted on 12/12/2013 1:38:30 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ha ha ha the article even goes on about “internet gun sales” needing background checks.


6 posted on 12/12/2013 1:39:33 PM PST by DBrow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not one thing he proposed for law would have prevented that tragedy. Politicians always take the easy way out of problems.
Children were murdered. Lets attack the tool. Far easy to do then attacking the problem. Mentally ill humans.


7 posted on 12/12/2013 1:39:55 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: driftdiver
If the principal of the school had been armed it could have been stopped before a single child was harmed.

Could being the operative word.

There is unfortunately no assurance that the good guys will always win a gunfight.

Plus, in a surprise attack the attacker always has the advantage. That's why surprise attacks are so effective.

8 posted on 12/12/2013 1:41:57 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mountainlion

I’m sorry to say I’ve done work with these jokers. They are blind to anything which does not match their world view.

About half the desks have an Obama book on it. Some have more than one. There are obama pictures hanging on the walls. They think tea party people are slightly below axe murderers.

They about wet themselves when I told them I had been shooting the prior weekend and had even been shooting some full auto rifles.

Saw one of their fashion editors wearing an outfit that looked exactly like a Luftwaffe uniform minus the insignia. She had the shade of gray perfect.


9 posted on 12/12/2013 1:45:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’d rather go down fighting then go down wishing I could fight.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 1:45:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sherman Logan

To wit

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/how-an-assistant-principal-with-a-gun-stopped-a-school-shooter/

Dialed 911 but 1911 solved problem first.


11 posted on 12/12/2013 1:46:27 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They figure he’s vulnerable because he’s a ‘Rat.


12 posted on 12/12/2013 1:48:50 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Less children would have been killed if the teachers had been armed. That’s something only liberals don’t understand.


13 posted on 12/12/2013 1:50:48 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the NYT fails to understand, is that - I - and -you -, and every other law-abiding American that joins, are the NRA, not some paid lobbyist in Washington, D.C.


14 posted on 12/12/2013 1:51:01 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: SECURE AMERICA; All

“Politicians always take the easy way out of problems.
Children were murdered. Lets attack the tool.”

Come now. You are not so naive as to believe this nonsense. “Attacking the tool.” is not the easy way out, as a great many politicians have learned to their sorrow. It is flying in the face of facts, logic, and the Constitution, in order to curry favor with the far left demagogues and the MSM, who are often one and the same.

The “easy way out” would be to call for repealing the Gun Free School Zones act, which has been a disaster for this country.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/disastrous-gun-law-sparked-school.html

or, to call for more responsibility from the MSM, who continue to “Shout Fire! in Crowded Schools”,

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/stop-school-shootings-hold-media.html

or, easier still, simply hold candlelight vigils and do nothing else.


15 posted on 12/12/2013 1:52:27 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The combination of the bronze rifleman in the lobby and the young faces on the wall suggests a particular viewpoint

Yeah, if there had been an armed teacher or two at Sandy Hook, there would be no news about a would-be shooter taken out prematurely.

16 posted on 12/12/2013 1:52:31 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Sherman Logan

But at least the principal would have had the possibilty of stopping the rampage before it became the tragedy that it did. Even some chance of stopping it would have been better than no chance at all.


17 posted on 12/12/2013 1:55:23 PM PST by Bob
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To: Bob

Absolutely. My only issue is with those who seem to think armed security or teachers are some guarantee of safety.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 1:58:58 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Terry L Smith
What the NYT fails to understand, is that - I - and -you -, and every other law-abiding American that joins, are the NRA, not some paid lobbyist in Washington, D.C.

This is the heart of the matter, right here. I can't tell you how many times I've made the point to disbelieving libs that the gun-rights movement is really grassroots... that the NRA doesn't wield its considerable power due to industry money (the industry isn't that rich, really), but due to individual memberships from men and women scattered across the country.

The NRA really does represent a large number of people, and these people really do have strong opinions on gun control.

19 posted on 12/12/2013 2:02:06 PM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I vaguely recall that Manchin’s support by the NRA was revoked back in 2010...........


20 posted on 12/12/2013 2:02:21 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Sherman Logan

There are some anti-gun people who claim that armed staff members will kill children rather than stopping an attacker. There are others, pro-gun people, who claim that an armed staff will guarantee the children’s safety.

I don’t subscribe to either of those extremes. While an armed staff member *may* be able to stop an attacker, an unarmed one certainly can’t.


21 posted on 12/12/2013 2:16:55 PM PST by Bob
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To: Bob

Agree. While armed attackers have been stopped by people who are unarmed, it’s certainly not the way to bet.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 2:20:06 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: DTogo
"Yeah, if there had been an armed teacher or two at Sandy Hook..."

The problem with this solution to school shootings is that both modern "teachers" and spree shooters are universally Leftist and functionally borderline mentally retarded.

Ponder this: Over the last forty years, since the Bolsheviks have pushed the concept that every pupil "needs" college, it has been the habit of academia to shovel the bottom of the barrel students into eduction and journalism.

These are now the sources of the daily news items of Zero Tolerance stupidity, and you want to promote morons with guns?

23 posted on 12/12/2013 2:38:43 PM PST by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonny Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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To: driftdiver

Luftwaffe uniforms were a dark blue.


24 posted on 12/12/2013 3:02:22 PM PST by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: Bob
I don’t subscribe to either of those extremes. While an armed staff member *may* be able to stop an attacker, an unarmed one certainly can’t.

A good example of this is the Portland, OR mall shooting that happened just before Sandy Hook. The CCW holder *may* have prevented further carnage, in this case simply by being in the right place at the right time - without even firing his handgun.

I actually heard the police radio feed from that incident, over a scanner app on my smartphone. I knew there was someone on the scene with a carry permit, but the media took a few days to comment on that point.

25 posted on 12/12/2013 3:05:44 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The power of the NYT comes from its high profile and its ability to feign objectivity.


26 posted on 12/12/2013 3:13:59 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: jmacusa

There are gray versions


27 posted on 12/12/2013 3:20:25 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“There is unfortunately no assurance that the good guys will always win a gunfight”

Not being armed is a guaranteed loss. Did that thought never cross your mind?


28 posted on 12/12/2013 3:29:14 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: Oberon

That is what makes the NRA rather unique in the lobbying field.

The reason why they say that the gun industry must be fully funding the NRA, is because just about every other large lobbying group is funded by large corporate or non profit groups.

There aren’t any lobbyists that come from groups like the NRA. In Washington they are unique.


29 posted on 12/12/2013 5:51:55 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: jonascord

Some of the teachers here in Newtown are Veterans, and some are regular shooters with pistol permits. Not all teachers should be armed for the sake of doing so - not all citizens aren’t capable of that responsibility. But those who are able and willing to be trained? Why not!


30 posted on 12/12/2013 7:13:31 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: driftdiver

“There all gray versions.’’ None that I’ve ever seen. The Luftwaffe uniforms where dark blue-gray, similar to the RAF but not entirely gray and tan for North Africa. The Luftwaffe eagle with the swastika in the middle was different than from the other branches in that it was configured like an eagle in flight.


31 posted on 12/12/2013 7:43:27 PM PST by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: jmacusa

Well a simple google shows me some but then I’m jot an expert. Nor do I prefer to argue about pointless things while missing the issue


32 posted on 12/12/2013 8:02:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What exactly does the NRA have to do with the murderer of 26 children and teachers at Sandy Hook? There is no connection.


33 posted on 12/13/2013 7:03:48 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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