Skip to comments.Did Jesus have a crew-cut? Lifestyles of ancient Israel's rich and famous
Posted on 12/12/2013 2:13:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The city of Caesarea has been in the news recently, for the lavish lifestyle of certain contemporary residents. Yet the people of the seaside city also seem to have lived high on the hog in ancient history. Archaeologists have found surprisingly detailed records of sumptuous eating, drinking, dressing and housing customs of the wealthy though it seems women only got to partake of the luxury within the home.
Rich then was like rich now a matter of means. In a discussion on who is rich in the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbat (25b), Rabbi Meir simply said a truly wealthy person is satisfied with whatever he has. Unarguable, that. The famous Rabbi Akiva said wealth was having a pleasant wife (and he should know). But the more prosaic Rabbi Tarfon defined wealth as 100 vineyards, 100 fields and 100 servants.
The practical Rabbi Yosi defined a rich person a whoever has a toilet near his table. At Sepphoris in the Galilee, archaeologists discovered just such a toilet near the dining hall of a wealthy Roman villa.
In fact the Jewish sages themselves were usually wealthy, which allowed them to ponder the fine points of Jewish law all day long....
(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...
Three words: Shroud of Turin.
One of the Roman writers, forget which one, defined poverty as being unable to afford more than one or two slaves.
1Cor 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Cor 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering.
1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
Paul said that long hair on a man is shameful. If Jesus wore long hair, Paul called Jesus shameful.
I doubt Paul would call Jesus shameful.
I don’t think it was a crew cut, more of a fade...
I rather doubt it. That would be “rounding the corners of the head” wouldn’t it?
I suppose it depends on what you call “long”. It was probably more convenient then to cut it around shoulder-length. It could certainly not act as a “covering” that way.
No. He would have hair as described in the Old Testament. Similar to what Hasidic Jews wear to this day.............
A pretty crude navy reg haircut is what I imagine
Or air force
but I doubt a high and tight
No being a jackwagon...it was high and tight. Jar Head can be taken for a halo. Oorah.
Paul was writing unto Gentiles...............
How about having the ability to hire that ‘80s pop rock band, Cutting Crew, to play at your son’s birthday party?
Probably had sidelocks, as those are mentioned in the Song of Songs.
In places with a profusion of head lice, short haircuts are common, as are wigs.
The ancient Egyptians wore wigs to shield their shaved, hairless heads from the sun. They also wore the wigs on top of their hair using beeswax and resin to keep the wigs in place.
However, this might have been more a religious demand than because of lice. For example, before someone could even enter the great temple of Karnak, all the hair had to be shaved from their body.
Other ancient cultures, including the Assyrians, Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans, also used wigs as an everyday fashion.
Jewish rules are somewhat different. The idea of (Orthodox) married women shaving their heads and wearing wigs dates, I believe, to about the 16th Century. Ancient Hebrews and Jews, anybody’s guess.
I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.
Hmmm...understandable. Would you care to opine about the fashion sense of a king's son who was killed because he got his long locks stuck in a tree?
Do the story of Samson ring a bell?
The Man of Nazareth didn’t cause any problems for the people of Israel, he came to be the Messiah
The rejection of that Messiah causeed Israel’s problems
The rejection of that same Messiah is causing problems everywhere, especially here in the US
And that continued rejection of the Messiah in England, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Europe, the rest of the world, is what is causing Isslam to rise to what I believe will lead to a Muslim Brotherhood led cabal types that will cause all other religions to fear so much, that it will be the Whore of Babylon spoken of in revelation 17
All because the gentiles rejected that Messiah, too, and for 2000 years they have rejected that same Messiah.
So, Israel rejected the Messiah as a nation, it also was the Jews who DID BELIEVE in the same Messiah who founded a great system of belief in the only God, Those faithful Jews who wrote every book of the Bible, the old and new testament, all written by faithful Jews; One group awaiting the Messiah, the final group having met with the Messiah when He came the first time.
Dont blame people who never knew what their religion taught, for as you yourself see, Everyone of us who knows their Bible, DEFEND AND SUPPORT the land of the Jews, jewish people, and Israel itself.
people who claim they are of the Christian faith who do otherwise are people who either are liars or never read a Bible in their life, for Christianity never taught any Christian to hate Jews or Israel, it teaches us the opposite; that the Jews are God’s chosen nation, that He is a father to the Jews FIRST, and we gentiles are only grafted in to that tree, and to not think so highly of ourselves, as we are not the natural branch
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 ( According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. --Isaiah 53:2 KJV
Well, he was a real prince of a guy.
“Do the story of Samson ring a bell?”
Sampson was a Nazarite (not to be confused with a Nazarine).
Nazarites are people who voluntarily take the oaths set forth in Numbers 6:121:
Abstain from wine, wine vinegar, grapes, raisins, intoxicating liquors,vinegar distilled from such substances,and eating or drinking any substance that contains any trace of grapes.
Refrain from cutting the hair on one’s head; but to allow the locks of the head’s hair to grow.
Not to become impure by corpses or graves, even those of family members.
Nazarites can be anyone (including, I suppose a non-Jewish person) who takes the oath upon themselves forever or for a period of time (which is more common) in the service of G-d.
I know. And a lot more.
Sampson and John the Baptist were under specific vows. Jesus the Nazarene was not under a Nazirite vow, which forbid cutting of hair.
My post has nothing to do with Jesus. It was a response to Absalom’s long hair mentioned in the post I responded to. Period.
The gentleman from Nazareth didn’t cause any Jews any trouble, he came to save them from their sins, and he was successful for a large portion of them in that day.
It’s those that distort his will and words for their own power that cause the trouble.
Nazarite in Yeshua’s case referred to his being a “netzer” an offshoot from the Root of David. Netzerith was the location where the descendents of David had hidden themselves from the storm troops of Antiochus Epiphanies.
Its a tradition at FR to tell people irrelevent things to show off how smart we are (or aren’t).
This is a deep study but it's a parable. A woman should cover her head because of the fallen angels. In Genesis 6 we learn that the fallen angels found the daughters of Adam attractive and impregnated them. A woman can avoid this by covering her head with, not her hair, but with the knowledge of Jesus, to know to stay away from the fallen angels. For a man to have to cover his head to protect himself from the fallen angels means he is homosexual and the fallen angels find him attractive because of his ways.
That means that Jesus is so handsome that we desire no more beauty for him. He is the full pattern.
You’ve known me long enough to know that I don’t discuss religion if I can possibly help it. I WILL discuss Hebrew Law in some instances like if the subject is abortion, euthanasia, or gay rights, each of which are anathema to both TRUE Jews and true Christians alike.
I stop there.
WWJD: What Was Jesus’ “-Do”
Obviously if you discuss religion here you’re going to end up debating religion.
Absolam let his hair grow for a year. Then he would cut it and donate the weight of the hair in something valuable to the Tabernacle of Moses.
where in the world did you ever hear that?
Because none of that is in the Bible, that’s for sure...
That’s a strange tale...even mythological.
This thread is very fertile.
I don’t recall Paul ever meeting Jesus? Did he?
Also, iirc, Jesus placed himself under the Nazarite Vow which, among other things, forbid the cutting of hair on head or face.
“Do the story of Samson ring a bell?”
Come on, do you really think it was his hair she cut?
“I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.”
I believe that the people who persecuted Jews were deceived by the Father of Lies.
Genesis 6. Read it.
It's Genesis 6, word for word!
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