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North Florida Coed Wins Second Amendment Victory
Investor's Business Daily ^ | December 13, 2013 | IBD Editorials

Posted on 12/13/2013 4:33:54 PM PST by raptor22

Second Amendment: A Florida appeals court rules that colleges can't ban students from having guns on campus for self-protection, bringing us one step closer to the day schools are predator-free, not-gun-free zones.

Alexandria Lainez won't be able to carry her firearm around campus in her purse or book bag, but she can keep it in her car parked on campus, available for self-protection, or in case a madman decides to shoot up the University of North Florida.

Florida's 1st Court of Appeals ruled that the school was violating a 2011 state law that pre-empted the regulation of guns by local governments and state agencies. The court said that while a university can restrict lawful activities, such as smoking and drinking, that power does not extend to firearms.

"Restricting recreational activities is a far cry from restricting a fundamental, constitutional right to keep and bear arms for self-defense," wrote Judge Clay Roberts in an opinion that had the support of a majority of the 15 judges who make up the court.

"If universities can regulate away a Second Amendment right, why not a First Amendment one? Or one protected by the Fourth or Fifth Amendment? The point is rhetorical, but nonetheless meaningful because campus authority unchecked can go astray of constitutional norms," Scott Makar, another judge on the court, wrote.

The case was brought by Florida Carry Inc. and Lainez. It was built around her ability to store a gun in her vehicle while on campus, where she could access it for self-defense on her commute to and from school.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; alexandrialainez; amandacollins; banglist; firearms; guncontrol; gunnews; gunrights; guns; keepandbeararms; nra; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment; selfdefense

1 posted on 12/13/2013 4:33:54 PM PST by raptor22
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Second Amendment Ping


2 posted on 12/13/2013 4:37:25 PM PST by raptor22 (Petty and vindictive do not be)
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To: raptor22

Alexandria Lainez


3 posted on 12/13/2013 4:41:18 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

My Kinda Girl.

If only I was 40 years younger.......

But I’m not, (sigh)

LOL!


4 posted on 12/13/2013 4:44:47 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: raptor22
Alexandria Lainez won't be able to carry her firearm around campus in her purse or book bag, but she can keep it in her car parked on campus, available for self-protection, or in case a madman decides to shoot up the University of North Florida.

I'm grateful for small steps, but does anybody else see the problems with this?

In case "a madman decides to shoot up" the place, she can go outside, open the car, and get the gun?

Better than nothing, but still suboptimal.

Does she have to lock the car?

If so, the "madman" scenario is made worse. If not, then everybody and their brother knows that Alex's car has a gun in the glovebox or something.

5 posted on 12/13/2013 4:48:30 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Second Amendment Ping


6 posted on 12/13/2013 4:52:36 PM PST by raptor22 (Petty and vindictive do not be)
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To: raptor22

7 posted on 12/13/2013 4:54:30 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Izzy Dunne
They know that her car does have a gun in the glove box; they have to be thinking about the fact that now every car on campus may have a gun in it somewhere. Ultimately, that may be the deterrent needed against many criminals, just as a "gun friendly zone" sign would be on a store's front door.
8 posted on 12/13/2013 4:59:44 PM PST by lcms rev
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Second Amendment Ping


9 posted on 12/13/2013 5:02:23 PM PST by raptor22 (Petty and vindictive do not be)
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To: lcms rev

the perceived deterrent is likely going to work rather well.

perps may be vile punks but they will pay attention to the “threat” to their willy nilly naughtiness


10 posted on 12/13/2013 5:02:38 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: lcms rev
they have to be thinking about the fact that now every car on campus may have a gun in it somewhere.

So... they have a place to go to get one. Unless they require locked cars. And in that case, the guns are not as useful as they could be.

11 posted on 12/13/2013 5:06:02 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Hers is a classic commuter conundrum. It’s similar to an issue faced by millions of military personnel and big factory workers that extend their “house rules” over their parking areas. If the military base is “gun free” except for MPs and maniacs, okay, but folks who live off-base are also disarmed on the way to and from base, which might be 25 miles over urban roads. UNF isn’t allowing her to “pack” on campus which would be better, but at least she’s not forced to also be disarmed on the way to and from the university campus.


12 posted on 12/13/2013 5:07:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Hey, YO! Izzie Baybbeeee!

I hear ya my friend. But EXACTLY that happened when a mudslime went bonkers at the law school in WV.

Two students, girl and guy, ran to their cars and fetched their weapons.

Held muhammer mudslime at bey till the cops arrived. Since they followed the “roolz,” no charges were FILED AGAINST THEM! (jeez louizzeee, how stupid.)

Yes, its a SMALL STEP. I agree with you, but hey, sometimes it does work out.

Piece in the parking lot is WAYYY better than NO PIECE at all.

LOL, They are young, and can run fast without a heart attack.

One foot in front of the other!


13 posted on 12/13/2013 5:22:41 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: raptor22

This is excellent news. The next step is for this to apply in every state. And the step after that is to lower or eliminate age restrictions to carry. My elder daughter is 19 and goes to Penn State. She’s not allowed to have a fire arm in her university affiliated housing. At age 19 she is not allow to legally carry in PA or any other state for that matter. My younger daughter is 16, so not an issue yet. But both should have uninfringed 2a rights.


14 posted on 12/13/2013 5:40:36 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: raptor22

Excellent! As an adviser to the Formula SAE team at UNF, it was a major pain to make sure my CCW pocket weapon was not on me or even locked away in my vehicle when making a consulting visit. I had to stop by my office to secure it thre, and after getting used to having it with me all the time, I felt kinda necked even walking to my truck from my office.

I will still have to check out when it is alright to have it in my vehicle because under the current laws, just driving through the campus with a weapon in the vehicle, no matter where and how secure it was, would get my CCW ticket pulled and also face jail time.


15 posted on 12/13/2013 6:09:39 PM PST by mazda77
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To: raptor22

countdown to someone breaks into her car


16 posted on 12/13/2013 7:17:10 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: Travis McGee
... but folks who live off-base are also disarmed on the way to and from base, which might be 25 miles over urban roads.

That IS the problem. Do you comply or risk the small chance that you may be found out. Depends...

17 posted on 12/13/2013 7:26:30 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Izzy Dunne

We’re in a situation similar to that of African Americans after the Brown V. Board of Education decision but before the 1968 Civil Rights Act. There are a lot of small steps to be taken before people who carry guns can be viewed as equals in the eyes of the law.


18 posted on 12/13/2013 7:28:32 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: raptor22

Yep, thats North Fla. I’m from Jax home of N Fla Univ. Pickup trucks and gun racks baby. Great beach too. :-)


19 posted on 12/14/2013 9:20:35 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: raptor22

No guns on campuses, more lies, there are ROTC programs with armories on campus for pistol/rifle teams, FTX’s etc.

Carry everywhere, get an attache case, bag, or gun case for vehicle with a lock and throw in the piece if pulled over by cops, Safe Passage Law.


20 posted on 12/14/2013 5:21:15 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: raptor22

Very nice win for her. Legal battles are never easy, much less fighting city hall like that.


21 posted on 12/15/2013 12:18:37 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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