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Banning Officials Mum About PD Acquisition of Armored Vehicle and Costly Crash
Banning-Beaumont Patch ^ | December 13, 2013 at 03:50 PM | Posted by Guy McCarthy

Posted on 12/13/2013 4:49:17 PM PST by granite

The Banning Police Department's acquisition of a surplus Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle and their subsequent crash of the vehicle in Arizona was three months ago, but an acting police commander and the city's spokesman said Thursday they could not comment because there's a personnel investigation under way.

It remained unclear this week whether city council members were consulted publicly or privately about acquisition of the 18-ton armored truck before the Sept. 16 crash on Interstate 10 in Buckeye, west of Phoenix, which has resulted in a claim of more than $42,000 against the City of Banning.

(Excerpt) Read more at banning-beaumont.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; mrap; mrapcrap; police; warriorcop
But as the Department of Defense continues giving away hundreds of vehicles designed for "asymmetric warfare," the American Civil Liberties Union and others have criticized what they see as the increasing militarization of local law enforcement agencies, according to an AP report published by the Military Times.
1 posted on 12/13/2013 4:49:17 PM PST by granite
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To: granite

We are just watching the next Reich rising, unfortunately.


2 posted on 12/13/2013 4:50:40 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: granite

3 posted on 12/13/2013 4:58:27 PM PST by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left - Ecclest 10:2)
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To: granite

Low TP in the RF tire.


4 posted on 12/13/2013 5:02:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: granite

I’m impressed that they didn’t roll it over.


5 posted on 12/13/2013 5:03:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: granite; Travis McGee

wait until someone accidently drives one through a house


6 posted on 12/13/2013 5:04:59 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: granite

why does a town of 30,000 need this? how can they afford the upkeep and insurance?


7 posted on 12/13/2013 5:06:47 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

They don’t need it, it was probably a freebie with benefits.


8 posted on 12/13/2013 5:08:42 PM PST by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left - Ecclest 10:2)
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To: granite

Can the city afford one of those tires?

lol


9 posted on 12/13/2013 5:09:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Paladin2

That’s OK, it’s a (very expensive) run-flat tire.


10 posted on 12/13/2013 5:10:25 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Run-flat, but apparently not steer-flat.


11 posted on 12/13/2013 5:12:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Low TP in the RF tire.
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Guess that must be one of the two tires that blew out at 75mph while in convoy with other MRAPs destined for other towns.

The gubmint expediter that steered the paperwork had them when he said “free”. Asked about the difference between available types, this used car salesman par excellance said, “basically it boils down to four wheels or six, take your pick.”

Barney Fife should’ve chosen the six wheeler, maybe.


12 posted on 12/13/2013 5:14:10 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: null and void

That?s OK, it?s a (very expensive) run-flat tire.
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Except that in this case, as per article, they had two flats.


13 posted on 12/13/2013 5:17:13 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: GeronL

Well, they bought four new ones after the crash, according to the article.


14 posted on 12/13/2013 5:18:29 PM PST by woofer
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To: woofer

Are they going to invade the Morongo Indian Reservation and take back their water rights?


15 posted on 12/13/2013 5:24:28 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: granite

Andy, I'm telling you, we need this MRAP. I can feel it in my bones, I was born for this, Barney Fife Operator.

Besides, it's free. And Goober can work on it.

Andy, just think, why Otis might just go off and start taking hostages. HOSTAGES! What then, huh?

16 posted on 12/13/2013 5:27:01 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

lol


17 posted on 12/13/2013 5:28:11 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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I would be shocked if the speed rating on those tires was 75mph.


18 posted on 12/13/2013 5:28:53 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: granite

Did you notice that this “free” vehicle costs $100,000 to repurpose for police use. It’s funny that the police who like to claim they’re getting something free don’t mention that.


19 posted on 12/13/2013 5:31:00 PM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: granite

Definitely not made for the roads, bridges and speeds of American highways.


20 posted on 12/13/2013 5:32:38 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: granite

Damage could have been a lot worse from an 18 ton vehicle.


21 posted on 12/13/2013 5:37:26 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: sharkhawk

“Did you notice that this “free” vehicle costs $100,000 to repurpose for police use. It’s funny that the police who like to claim they’re getting something free don’t mention that.”

It’s money they got through “asset forfeiture” so it’s “free,” too.


22 posted on 12/13/2013 5:41:30 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: granite

By coincidence, my wife and I were driving westbound on I10 today from Palm Desert to Redlands. We passed about 10 of these MRAPs in a convoy which exited the freeway one mile from the Morongo Indian Reservation. They were heading down a two lane road which had no service facilities. Wondered just where they were going.

As usual, whenever we see convoys of either US military vehicles or California National Guard vehicles, although the freeway speed limit is 70 mph, these convoys all drive at 65 mph or less. Guess these Beaumont cops had no idea they were driving above the vehicle’s speed limitations.


23 posted on 12/13/2013 5:55:31 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: granite

He was going the speed limit, 75 MPH. Are these things spec’ed for 75 MPH on a standard Interstate? They look like they probably shouldn’t be doing that speed, but I am not an expert on the subject.


24 posted on 12/13/2013 5:55:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: GeronL

Because IEDs are so frequent and wide-spread in Banning?

Seriously, the city council or manager should have the police chief’s head on a pike for this.


25 posted on 12/13/2013 6:03:30 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

The article says the rated max speed is 65.


26 posted on 12/13/2013 6:04:41 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Covenantor

ROFL Love that!


27 posted on 12/13/2013 6:08:02 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (call it ODemocratcare)
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To: PhiloBedo
Wait till the departments around the country get A-10’s.
28 posted on 12/13/2013 6:13:50 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Clay Moore

Did they do away with the concept of a “governor?” I’m flabbergasted this bullet-head thought it was a good idea to drive it 75 MPH. I saw your post up above about the rating of the tires. I’m sure there’s no way they were built to go that fast, and they were the cause of the collision when they spontaneously blew.

Probably why the city decided to just pay up. Besides, $42K is a drop in the bucket in terms of what that beast is going to cost the city.


29 posted on 12/13/2013 7:16:32 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: granite

The dummies that were driving these vehicles did not take into account that the tires on these vehicles have been sitting in depots in the sun and maybe they came out of the Mideast after sitting there also. Have they ever heard of “dry rot”? They’re lucky that the tires lasted that far!
Cops with new toys! Dangerous to the nth degree. 75 mph -—Sheesh!


30 posted on 12/13/2013 7:40:31 PM PST by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go!)
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To: TaMoDee
“Cops with new toys!”

I'll bet the Banning Police Department's cops involved had a version of this conversation:

Cop #1: Dude, we just got this cool ex-Army MRAP truck. Let's take it for a ride.

Cop #2: Cool. I know a great spot to try it out.

Cop #1: Wow, we're hitting 75 with this MRAP and the specs say top end is 65 [while hauling down the I-10 on “official business”].

Cop #2: Dang, I've lost it. Where did that pickup come from?

31 posted on 12/13/2013 11:45:08 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: granite

“but an acting police commander and the city’s spokesman said Thursday they could not comment because there’s a personnel investigation under way. “

As usual. When cops need to hide their mistakes, they just say it is a personnel matter. All of a sudden, they don’t have to explain their actions to the public.

This is a waste of money. Even if the machine was free, upkeep and using it isn’t free. They will either sit and rust, or be used at every opportunity in order to justify the toy. Like say a rampaging tea cup poodle.

This is all about getting a toy to play with on tax payer money. NY, LA, DC, the big cities might have a legitimate use for the thing. But Podink towns don’t expect to ever need it. They want the fun though.


32 posted on 12/14/2013 6:38:07 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: CdMGuy

“Guess these Beaumont cops had no idea they were driving above the vehicle’s speed limitations.”

On Christmas day, how many children fail to read the instructions on their new toy? And yes, I’m referring to the popo as children, and the MRAP as their toy. That is what it is, a toy.


33 posted on 12/14/2013 6:56:50 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: granite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541RwJSUhNc


34 posted on 12/14/2013 6:12:03 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: granite

But but, they’re FREE!


35 posted on 12/14/2013 10:56:04 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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