Posted on 12/14/2013 10:38:19 AM PST by facedown
SAN FRANCISCO — The banning of ozone-depleting chemicals hasn't yet caused detectable improvements in the Antarctic ozone hole, new research suggests.
Instead, changes in the South Pole's ozone hole from year-to-year are likely the result of natural variations in wind patterns, researchers said here Wednesday (Dec. 11) in a press conference at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union.
The findings suggest that measuring the total size of the ozone hole says little about ozone depletion, and that it's misleading to use the hole's extent alone to measure environmental progress.
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How come no one ever states that the “Antarctic Ozone Hole” is directly above (MOL) an active volcano, Mt. Erebus?
What the article does not point out, is that the ozone hole is more connected to cold temperatures. There have been recorded ozone hole above Siberia.
They should shoot Al Gore out of a giant cannon into the middle of the Ozone Hole. That would fix it.
The Earth has a couple of ozone bald spots. It’s getting on towards middle age.
So “we’ve” been snookered again.
And your scientific expertise to back that up? Godless-muzzy-commie-hippy scientists doesn’t count.
1) The Ozone hole(s) at both poles existed when we FIRST measured.
2) IF we had no ozone thinning, the earth would have NO SEASONS (e.g. we WOULD be a greenhouse)
3) “Ozone depleting” chemicals are not the issue — Dupont’s expiration of patents on them (and therefore the inability to make money) is at the root of banning certain types of cloroflourocarbons
4) IF freon is causing ozone depletion, it supposedly does this by charged free chlorine gas in the upper atmosphere -— and if that’s so, freon as a source pales in comparison to the billions of metric tons of chlorine we put in water (which, by the way is easier to liberate than the chlorine in freon).
IF you don’t believe me about point #2, let me as you a simple question...
In the northern hemisphere, during winter, the cold, cold wind blows down from the Arctic into Canada, while simultaneously it’s blowing into Siberia. So the wind blows FROM the northern pole DOWN (south) in every direction.....WHERE DOES the wind come from that is blowing SOUTH in every direction????? It comes from the UPPER ATMOSPHERE, enabled by a thinning in our OZONE!!!!
It was always an attack on Dupont and other chemical companies. Of course after the inferior replacement chemicals were placed on the market. Then the lobbyists got the FedGov hammers to force the US consumers to buy only the alternative.
It was always ONLY about money based on lies. Sort of like Obamacare.
But in the 1990s liberals told me that the ozone "hole" would kill us in 10 years. How can we still exist when it's still there?
The article is pretty round about in saying that the banning of the “Ozone depleting chemicals” has had a dubious effect on the ozone. In fact, it’s jet streams and wind and cold that affect the ozone.
Once again, the environmental Nazis were wrong.
El Nina, El Nino, the hole in the Ozone layer, the most prominent outcome of these three discoveries, was to reveal that to a large extent this is the most anal period in the history of the human species.
As if these things didn’t exist long before man discovered them, and their impact on global dynamics only started after man discovered them.
Also , there is naturally release of methane in Siberia.
Methane has been shown to be 25 X more destructive than carbon for ozone depleation.
I have an idea ,... let's tax Russia for releasing naturally occuring methane - yeah that'll solve the problem ../sarc
Volcanos emit chlorides?
Since when?
How long has this been known, and when did they know it?
Yes, I know UV is measured in Dobson units, and Dr. Dobson (yeah, that one the UV unit is named after) announced the Antarctic Ozone Hole existance in 1954.
Yes, I know the Ozone hole size in 1954 was as large as has been reported since. And I am aware man related ozone depleting chemicals were exceeding few back then, as Freon was a new component in refrigeration systems, replacing ammonia.
To quote a great Lady StatesPerson - “What difference does it make?”
What the Great Gore hath announced must be accepted.
Brother, doest thou believe?
NASA is just another fully politicized and compromized government agency living off the fumes of its greatness forty years ago. They can’t tell you if it will rain in Kansas City next week, but are dead sure about the state of the upper atmosphere 55 years from now.
The main problem is that scientist determined that the sun has little variation because they measured visible light and total radiance and made their determination for insignificant variation. Thus they ignored solar affects on the ozone concentration even though ozone in the upper atmosphere is created by UV light from the sun. Their determination for insignificant solar change is now proven incorrect. We have since discovered that UV radiance can vary by more then 50 % during a solar cycle. The problem now is that science has become so corrupt with politics, that it lacks the integrity to admit its own faults.
“and if that’s so, freon as a source pales in comparison to the billions of metric tons of chlorine we put in water (which, by the way is easier to liberate than the chlorine in freon).”
IIRC, the oceans are filled with salt water, and high altitude chloride ions are primarily attributable to oceanic evaporative processes and volcanic sources.
Congress attempted to write legistalion controlling atmospheric chloride ion lvele without waterproof and volacno proof paper.
Ozone is a form of oxygen with the chemical formula O3 that is formed when O2 is affected by UV radiation from Sunlight. What is there very little of over the poles during the winter periods? You know that - Sunlight.
I switched to R134 and have been extremely busy with my Trayvon Memorabilia Business.
FYI, I actually don't know if volcanos emit chlorides. I sent a team of government scientists down into the crater on Mt. Etna, and surprisingly, none returned. Since Obama was born in Hawaii, perhaps he ought to descend into Haleakala and check it out for us? He is a bit of an O-Hole anyway.
R 134 is a perfect government solution. Since it is about 20% less effiecient than R-12, components have to be bigger. It is also corrosive, explosive, and is such a teeny molecule it can actually pass through metals. Suggest you follow FL Geezers home and see if they are hoarding R-12 in their carports. My '59 Olds AC needs a boost.
I created the ozone hole with the Van de Graaff generator I made as a 7th grade Science Project!
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