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How the West was lost by the selfie president
The New York Post ^ | December 15, 2013 | Michael Goodwin

Posted on 12/15/2013 5:41:15 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

My bookshelves sag with encyclopedic volumes arguing that America and the West are in decline. But proving that a picture is worth a thousand books, the “selfie” seen ’round the world ends the argument.

It’s official — the government of the United States of Obama consists of boobs and bores and is led by a narcissist. It is no consolation that Great Britain joins us in racing to the bottom.

President Obama’s flirting with Denmark’s prime minister would be shameful on any occasion. That it happened at the memorial for Nelson Mandela only adds to the embarrassment.

But the “selfie” episode also symbolizes the greater global calamity of Western decline. With British prime minister David Cameron playing the role of Obama’s giggling wingman, the “look at me” moment confirms we have unserious leaders in a dangerously serious time....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cameron; china; lost; mandela; obama; president; selfie; west
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What's the solution?
1 posted on 12/15/2013 5:41:15 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SNL video:

http://www.businessinsider.com/snl-cold-open-mocks-obama-selfie-video-2013-12


2 posted on 12/15/2013 5:42:23 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is an Indonesian where everyone associated
with the fraud is paid off, afraid for their life, or dead.


3 posted on 12/15/2013 5:42:38 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe the solution is for conservatives to realize we have sold out America far too much, and need to return American production to right here.

China now makes a massive proportion of what is sold in America’s stores.

In factories staffed entirely by Chinese.

Bring back American production.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 5:45:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What's the solution?

..don't elect a twelve yr old slacker

5 posted on 12/15/2013 5:47:03 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How does one accomplish that without massive government intervention in people’s free choices?


6 posted on 12/15/2013 5:48:58 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Tariffs.

America needs to begin using tariffs.

But it has to be UNIVERSAL. The government should have zero power to levy or rescind tariffs except in total.

We start by charging (everything) imported into America a 10% tariff. By this I mean everything.

Food. Gas. Anything which enters America.

This will also help pay down our national debt.


7 posted on 12/15/2013 5:51:24 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

America has never had a universal tariff.


8 posted on 12/15/2013 5:52:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What’s the solution?”

IMO, there is none and he knows this. We are stuck with him for another 3 years.
Even if the repubs take the senate and keep the house in 2014, there by putting zero in a ‘box’, he still has executive orders. You can count on plenty of EO’s the last 3 years.


9 posted on 12/15/2013 5:54:42 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Well let’s start.

We have charged import tariffs throughout American history.

Right now we don’t, for the most part.

I say we need them badly. But a universal tariff on everything imported, is the only way I can think of to keep government from getting involved in picking winners and losers.

I say we charge everything imported, one tariff.

But we need to protect American jobs.

Now.


10 posted on 12/15/2013 5:55:32 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Sherman Logan

So?


11 posted on 12/15/2013 5:55:33 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: duckman

“We are stuck with him for another 3 years.”

Yes, and the fact that those who put him in office for round 2 will suffer the most is cold comfort.

Hey, maybe the illegals will be made happy, and isn’t that the most important thing?

I just hope the stuuuuuupid republicans know that amnesty will cost them everything they’ve gained from the failure of Obamacare.


12 posted on 12/15/2013 5:59:44 AM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““What’s the solution?””

Get involved locally. The only campaign I confess to being active - money plus time - in was Brown’s first. By the time his second came around I told myself “The only thing that needs to happen for him to lose is for people such as I to do nothing. That came true as he gave me no reason to work for him.

I plan on selecting candidates nationally as well as locally in MA and focus on them in the coming year. I can’t do everything, but I can do something.


13 posted on 12/15/2013 6:05:19 AM PST by Makana (Old soldiers never die. They just read Free Republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the GOP needs to dump chasing minorities and diversities and go after the ages 25-45 demographic, who need to realize their future and the future of our nation is in their hands

these people need to look at their lives and where they expect them to go in the next 10 years. I believe 30 year olds of all creeds and colors have common interests that outweigh the color of their skin or where they came up from

the skepticism these folks had for their teachers in HS needs to now extend to the pie-in-the-sky political leaders who get elected based on looks and personality or massive corporate funded PR campaigns- not core values

do 30 year olds want free condoms or a free economy?

and conservatives need to stop eating our young like Paul Ryan over single issue disagreements, by sitting home and letting the communists ascend just because of some leaked disinformation rumor about Ryan or Cruz or....
We need to stop being played.

14 posted on 12/15/2013 6:06:48 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Bring back American production.

OK. Who are you going to hire to do the production?

We have a useless generation educated to feel good about themselves with useless degrees who believe such work is beneath them.

The entitlement attitude of many is so poor they think they are owed a living for doing nothing.

Those of us with the "tribal knowledge" are retiring as fast as we can.

15 posted on 12/15/2013 6:11:11 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: silverleaf

I agreed with going after the 25-45 group. Forget the blacksand the Jews, The other racial minorities seem to be softer, like the independents.


16 posted on 12/15/2013 6:13:03 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: jocon307

“I just hope the stuuuuuupid republicans know that amnesty will cost them everything they’ve gained from the failure of Obamacare.”

I, among many others I know, will NOT support or vote for ANYONE who caves on immigration. Enforce our existing immigration laws (not to include the carve-outs and exceptions The Obastard introduced via executive order).

ANYONE who surrenders to the illegals is toast to me. They will never gain my support.


17 posted on 12/15/2013 6:13:44 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

use to be the only folks who could vote were land owners.


18 posted on 12/15/2013 6:13:50 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Mogger

This is not my concern.

My concern is our current situation strongly emphasises sending American jobs to other countries.

For an entire generation, we have sent American jobs to other countries. Republican and Democrat presidents both presided over the off-shoring of American industry.

America can manufacture things. It is time for us to begin to return American industry.

Now.


19 posted on 12/15/2013 6:14:05 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: duckman

“IMO, there is none and he knows this. We are stuck with him for another 3 years.”

1. World stage.
Those who would be our Allies will wait for a grown-up to be in charge of foreign policy again. Those who would be our enemies will make use of the opportunity.
2. Domestic.
He is damaged goods. Cannot regain his credibility — he has been shown for the liar he is. Popularity in Nixon territory. He will continue to pack the courts and etc. as long as he can, but will be thrown under the bus by traditional Dems and / or the handlers when it is clear he is doing their goals more harm than good. Clintons threw him under the bus, which freed others to admit the Lie and which was the beginning of his credibility and poll slides.
3. With the Senate changing hands (we work hope and pray) exec. orders can be overridden.
4. Depends on how long he can take the humiliation. He should get a foundation job somewhere and slither off stage.


20 posted on 12/15/2013 6:19:40 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Obama loses the SNL crowd, he’s lost the low information voters........


21 posted on 12/15/2013 6:24:49 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Joe Boucher

Used to be most people were serfs or slaves of those landowners.

What’s your point?


22 posted on 12/15/2013 6:26:21 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: AMDG&BVMH
3. With the Senate changing hands (we work hope and pray) exec. orders can be overridden.

Who do you think the pogues in the various agencies will listen to? Their boss Odumass or the Senate?

23 posted on 12/15/2013 6:27:08 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

“...exec. orders can be overridden.”
Thanx. Did not know this.


24 posted on 12/15/2013 6:28:35 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: raybbr

“Their boss Odumass or the Senate”

a bunch of those political hacks have lied under oath in testimony already


25 posted on 12/15/2013 6:28:49 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; C. Edmund Wright

Either Americans with IQs of 85-95 will learn life skills while producing raw materials and goods, while gaining financial independence and founding families, OR they will be bitter, dependent peasants ripe for communism.

C. Edmund Wright has “given up” and “lost interest” in the American worker. However, if you do have children and grandchildren, and if you don’t plan expatriation, the quality of life of all those non-working American workers will determine the quality of life, and maybe the quantity of life, for you and your progeny.

Bring the jobs back,


26 posted on 12/15/2013 6:33:49 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“We start by charging (everything) imported into America a 10% tariff. By this I mean everything.”

In 1960 the average tariff was 7.3%. Today it is 1.3%. I would agree that 10% is more than a reasonable fee to apply to foreign factories for access to the US market. After all the US taxpayer pays to maintain ports, the Coast Guard, the US Navy to keep the seas open, the Customs service to inspect goods coming in, and a highway system to give the ports access to inland markets. Why should foreign factories and importers receive these services at no charge?

Personally I’d like to see tariffs raised to the average 25% to 35% rates the US employed from 1865 to 1900. During that period the US became an industrial power using high tariffs to protect developing industry. Over the past 20 years we engaged in ruinous free trade policies that gutted our manufacturing sector, exported millions of middle class jobs, and resulted in two decades of declining standard of living for most Americans for the first time in our history.

We’ve played the low tariff game for 25 years and the verdict is in with respect to the economy and the American people. It has been a disaster for all except those at the very top and the multinational corporations. It is time to rebuild our industrial infrastructure and to do so we need to adopt the tariff policy we employed successfully to become the greatest industrial power on the planet.

We would be better off economically eliminating the corporate income tax on profits derived from production inside the US, and raising tariffs to offset the revenue, than to continue raising margin rates on individual income or continuing the recent practice of hiding new taxes in our healthcare costs.

Our policies over the past 25 years have allowed China to become a global power and emerge as a long term military threat to the homeland. Enacting high tariffs now will stop Chinese industrial expansion in its tracks while providing a powerful economic incentive for investment in US manufacturing expansion.

China today levies a VAT on all imports ranging from 13% to 17% plus additional duties and tariffs depending on the product category. In addition the Chinese government subsidizes its manufacturing industry with low or no interest loans and export rebates up to 25%. Add to that the slave labor wages of $1.00 per day and the standard 10 hour factory day. No wonder US manufacturing has been decimated over the past 25 years while we’ve dropped our tariffs to virtually zero and eliminated non-tariff barriers to trade (i.e. quotas).

Restoring the tariff is essential to restoring the US economy. Unfortunately our Congresspeople in both parties are beholden to multinational corporations and Wall Street banks earning billions from gutting the US economy.

For those who believe the academic free trade propaganda that the Smoot Hawley tariff cause the Great Depression, consider some facts:
1) Smoot was passed in 1930, after the 1929 market crash when the economy was already in a nosedive. The tariff did not cause the collapse.
2) When Smoot was passed, US manufacturing exports comprised less than 2.5% of GDP and total exports were less than 5% of GDP. From the 1929 crash to the bottom of the Depression in 1933, GDP dropped 50%. If the US had lost 100% of its exports during that period (which it did not), the most the loss of exports could have affected GDP was 5%.

History in fact shows the US economy prospered during periods of high tariffs (19th Century) and has stagnated during the low tariff periods from 1988 to the present.

The fact is the US has the land mass, natural resources, technology base, and population to be self sufficient as it was through much of its history. We should be reinstating high tariffs now where there is still some manufacturing base remaining on which to build. Also, rebuild now where we have a military infrastructure strong enough to discourage our enemies from retaliating against the US for applying higher tariffs.

We are in an economic war with China and will likely be in a military war within 25 years if we don’t take action now to rebuild our economic system and stop subsidizing the industrialization of our emerging enemy.


27 posted on 12/15/2013 6:34:15 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Jim Noble

You misunderstand, probably on purpose.….I’ve given up on the American low skill worker…as an employer only. I don’t care to deal with them as their boss any more - in that narrow construct. I did that for a couple decades…been there, done that. Have you ever done that?

Now, as a consumer, or contractor, and neighbor and fellow American and so on - I’m not giving up on them…because it’s not my place to do so. It’s only as their employer that I’ll never participate again.

Now, I also don’t think it’s necessarily a slam to Americans to say that they are not good at low skill labor and have no interest in doing so. Perhaps you can tell us why it is patriotic to say YES AMERICANS ARE GREAT AT LOW SKILLED AND uNSKILLED LABOR….USA USA USA USA!!

Now, I see you have the very valid notion of the sub 100 IQ workforce. Well I got news for you: until we stop the ability to live a 60K lifestyle by sitting on your ass and collecting hand outs, we’ll never have the careers for the 85-95 IQ group. IT’s not China. It’s not companies who outsource. It’s our own government that is making this work force obsolete. Businesses have to try and survive in the climate they’re in…..they are NOT RESPONSIBLE for that climate. Government largely is.

Your anger is simply misdirected. You and I want the same things…you just have no clue why we don’t have it….and I do.


28 posted on 12/15/2013 6:44:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Soul of the South

Awesome post.

EXACTLY.

Bring back American industry. Now. Stop fighting the last struggle.

We need to re-industrialize our own nation.

That is an outstanding post. My sincere compliments.

I encourage every FReeper to read and understand what you said.

Thanks.


29 posted on 12/15/2013 6:44:56 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Once upon a time, we lived in a world where people had the decency to both be upset at uncouth behavior and to demand real consequences for it.

Now we simply laugh and go back to watching the Kardashians. Alas, my country.


30 posted on 12/15/2013 6:50:04 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Diogenesis
This is so typical of how a narcissist operates. He couldn't give two cents about Mandela. He's just thinking, hey a chance to bump up a few percentage points in the polls. And the selfie is worth a few points from the millenials.
31 posted on 12/15/2013 6:57:04 AM PST by Rennes Templar (If you like your disease, you can keep it.)
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To: Mogger

Yep, they wanna tell you what they’re NOT going to do and for HOW MUCH they’re NOT going to do it, paid vacations, paid sick days, paid holidays, raises, bonuses, benefits, company vehicles, clothing allowances, food allowances, etc, etc.
This is expected from DAY ONE.
Forget about EARNING,is about GETTING


32 posted on 12/15/2013 7:01:26 AM PST by snappahead (if your gonna be dumb, you better be tough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
With British prime minister David Cameron playing the role of Obama’s giggling wingman, the “look at me” moment confirms we have unserious leaders in a dangerously serious time ...

That's not the fault of the leaders, though. The simple truth is that our countries are filled with unserious citizens. There's no fixing that in a democratic society.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." -- H. L. Mencken

33 posted on 12/15/2013 7:16:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Makana
I agree. The battle's being fought across the spectrum of political offices, and local is one important field of battle. We've had a fast-talking Marxist trying to Buffalo our local elected officials for six years, and the only reason a lot of them haven't caved is because a couple of local citizens keep calling her on her lies.

Local races are an area where a single citizen can take a few hours a month and have a direct impact. Politicians are more accessible, financial contributions are cheaper, and individual actions matter. In a recent race, where a couple of us spent two days standing on a street corner waving a candidate sign, he won by less than 20 votes. He knows everybody who pitched in for him mattered.

Particularly in medium and small towns, showing up at city hall for a meeting is easy, and it's done so rarely that by the third meeting the politicians will have noticed. There are formal public input sections in most states, but even if one is in a state without one, much of the lobbying is done in the casual pre and post meeting conversations, and in correspondence with the politicians who have come to know who you are.

Besides, local issues are an education all their own. Ask the finance director how the government's funded, sit through a presentation from the people who are responsible for keeping water in the taps, find out how ridiculously expensive it is to keep the roads paved, all stuff most people just take for granted.

Believe me, the liberals are showing up, they win by default if there's no conservatives to counter them.

34 posted on 12/15/2013 7:19:40 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“We start by charging (everything) imported into America a 10% tariff. By this I mean everything.

Food. Gas. Anything which enters America.”

Cool! Raising the prices we pay for everything by 10% is a great idea./sarc

Did you also protest at burger doodle to raise the minimum wage?


35 posted on 12/15/2013 7:28:14 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Soul of the South

Perfect.


36 posted on 12/15/2013 7:28:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Beagle8U

Progressives like you love income taxes but hate tariffs. Progressive...


37 posted on 12/15/2013 7:33:17 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That it happened at the memorial for Nelson Mandela only adds to the embarrassment

The world's adoration of the terrorist, Mandela, is an embarrassment. I can't fault him for the selfie since it appeared to have occurred when nothing was going on on stage but Moo's drama was priceless. Typical for her, but still priceless.

38 posted on 12/15/2013 7:33:47 AM PST by bgill
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To: central_va

Progressives like me? lol.

What is your favorite flavor of paint chip, green, blue, red?


39 posted on 12/15/2013 7:36:35 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Would you want to replace all income taxes with tariffs and sales taxes?


40 posted on 12/15/2013 7:39:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: KeyLargo

Let me get all “racist” here: The dumb asses who walk among us put BLACK trash in the Spite House!!
Memo to the dumb asses: Do that again and you will live to regret it. Or not!


41 posted on 12/15/2013 7:43:49 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Beagle8U

YOu done stepped in a nest of the dumbest hornets on the forum……and you’ll be called a Maoist, a tool of chinese handlers, a progressive, a lover of the income tax, and you’ll be told that free trade is a progressive policy, and all by guys who are apparently smarter than Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and Adam Smith…..not to mention Sarah Palin and Ronald Reagan.


42 posted on 12/15/2013 7:51:48 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Soul of the South; Jim Noble

What should Apple Corp do?

They, and their manufacturing subsidiary employ some 700 thousand people in China I believe. So, is Apple good? Or is Apple bad?

(warning: I have baited you into an argument you cannot possibly win…..so enter at your own risk)


43 posted on 12/15/2013 7:54:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I think it is our government who should act.

We need a global import tariff. But I stress, this must be global. NO EXCEPTIONS.

On all imports. I say we should start with 10%. Every single good, service or product. Oil. Food. Produced goods, such as your example of Apple.

America needs to build things.


44 posted on 12/15/2013 7:59:09 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

So, if all Apple products were hit with a 10% tariff, how many American jobs would that produce? ZERO.

BUT, how many jobs would America lose? Lets see…..no doubt some of their 30 thousand store employees would be laid off….and no doubt Fed Ex, who ships their products into the US, would be laid off….and then there’s all the tech geeks who lose some of their customers….etc.

You see dude…this sh-t is just more complicated than your whiny “bring em back” mantra contemplates.

Why don’t we stop making building a factory so damned hard and expensive with the EPA, local zonings, union rules, crony kick backs, etc. Why don’t we roll back our own liberalism and then just get the hell out of the way and let America rock???

No, you would rather apply your own personally approved taxation…..


45 posted on 12/15/2013 8:03:23 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: central_va

No, sales tax should be limited to a state issue so people can escape if it becomes a burden.

Income tax should be flat, with the exact same rate charged to everyone on all earnings, with no exemptions or deductions that doesn’t apply to everyone in an equal amount.

A standard deduction of, let’s say, $12,000 per person would apply to the burger-flipper or Bill Gates.

No more class warfare, if the tax rate is raised it would effect everyone equally by the same percentage.

Liberal pukes wouldn’t be able to rally support for raising taxes on someone else to buy votes, nor would they have much luck in raising them to support the lazy. The RAT party would be out of business.

It wouldn’t take long for a minimal tax rate, to support a very limited government, to be arrived at.

With no deductions, high tax states and cities would lose population and representative control of everyone else.


46 posted on 12/15/2013 8:15:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Demand the selfie president’s resignation. He’s done enough damage to us already, but doing something so unpresidential as taking his own picture with a cell phone goes 1,000 feet over the line that he’s already 1,000,000,000 feet over.


47 posted on 12/15/2013 8:25:29 AM PST by PlastiqueDabble
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Oh well, I don’t suffer fools, and I’ve never been very good a pulling punches.


48 posted on 12/15/2013 8:28:24 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Iran marches toward nuclear weapons and already there is talk in military circles that a nuclear-armed Iran could mean mushroom clouds in the Mideast within five years.

China is flexing its muscles throughout Asia, its ships brazenly confronting ours on the high seas. Russia is expanding its writ in the Arab lands and in Eastern Europe while making casual threats about bombing America. Syria’s Assad uses chemical weapons and Obama and Cameron rattle little sabers before meekly agreeing to become his partner.

Our political system has incentives built into it that push forward politicians who are shallow, narcissistic and foolish. If Democrats could lower the voting age to 12 they would. That's our hint. Voting needs to stay open to all, but it needs to be made a tad more difficult.

49 posted on 12/15/2013 8:42:27 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Beagle8U
Income tax should be flat,

You believe in income taxes, whether flat or otherwise, MAKES YOU A PROGRESSIVE. All forms of income tax are progressive, tariffs are consumption based and conservative in nature, easily avoidable. Just don't by imports.

50 posted on 12/15/2013 9:45:17 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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