Skip to comments.Pope Francis Responds to Rush Limbaugh: “Marxist Ideology Is Wrong”
Posted on 12/15/2013 12:21:00 PM PST by servo1969
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It is literally impossible to be a Marxist and a good person. The best you can be is a useful idiot.
Unfortunately, Pope Francis is coming dangerously close to being a member of that group.
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I’m not sure this is exactly where you were heading there, but your comments did make me think of this.
The Church itself was somewhat guilty of what it now takes the U. S. to task over. Early missions in the Americans were there to present the message of Jesus Christ to the local relatively poor people.
Churches were built that were quite opulent when compared to local lifestyles. It was glaring and improper.
I’m not here to dump on the church for it. It’s just an interesting factoid. They U. S. is by and large a Christian nation. He should consider how it compares to Middle Eastern nations, or simply other nations.
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You mean this? 40% of the wealthy pay 100% of the taxes?
Voluntary giving (IE ACTUAL GENUINE CHARITY) is wonderful, encouraged that all should do it - consider the widow’s mite parable.
You can be rich and generous.
You can be rich, and stingy and greedy.
You can be poor, and generous.
You can be poor, and stingy and greedy.
While it may be easier to rationalize being stingy/greedy, depending on the amount of wealth you have, it’s not an excuse for the mindset of greediness.
Forced giving (required giving, compulsory giving) is NOT genuine giving. It is compelled from someone by force. It’s robbery. Whether it’s a law and legal, or whether it’s a crook pointing a gun at you.
“Government Charity” is not genuine charity. It is money the government DEMANDS from certain people by threat of force, if not turned over, in order that government may bestow it on whatever particular pet groups it wants to. The concept of “government charity” is an oxymoron. Government compassion is take a blue pill, we cannot afford to treat you as you’re not worth enough to society. That is why true charity begins with church, with individuals exercising control over their own money.
Of course it is a parable about spiritual wealth. But He would not use a story about an evil rich man doing bad to illustrate a spiritual good. It was an example about an Earthly good thing that everyone would understand.
I love this.
It’s so simple. Wealth comes from God, not the state. You should treat your wealth as if it belongs to God. That should be the message from a great religious leader
Hi Jimsin; Well, Smallgrasshoppah that I am, I had to switch eyeglasses so I could read your large text (from Stonehenge?), but I agree, Rush is very influential on and off the Radio. I couldn’t do it. I also know Rush is only human like you and me, so I don’t feel bad pointing out when his vanity becomes obvious. No one (leastwise on the radio) is above being brake-checked every so often. When we remember our heroes are fallible we remember not to expect them to make everything just right with a wave of their hands.
Good, I’ll make it a point to listen to all 3 hours of it.
With little respect .. I say the Pope doesn't know what he is talking about. All one has to do is look at facts ... which are stubborn things. I don't fault the Pope for not understanding economics since that is really not his job but he should really shut up about things that expose his ignorance and makes the Church look bad.
I wonder if the Pope agrees with Carney that immigration will bring up wages for poor people.
You two have it, exactly. I listen to Rush most days, and enjoy the show, but, that is how it goes. If I hear him say one more time that "I don't like to talk about myself", I think I'm going to ...
I also know Rush is only human like you and me, so I dont feel bad pointing out when his vanity becomes obvious. No one (leastwise on the radio) is above being brake-checked every so often. When we remember our heroes are fallible we remember not to expect them to make everything just right with a wave of their hands.
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Any suggestion the pope supports marxism is ignorance on parade. Marxism is militant athiesm. The head of the largest branch of the christian faith cannot support atheism.
“Collectivism by any stripe is wrong, Pope; even your version of it!”
But I would point out that “collectivism” defines most all religions. It’s their mother’s milk. I guess the Catholics, for the moment, have a Pope that is telling his people the truth about what their religion truly believes.
It’s great to see the mask coming off!
yes..a bit of an egotist now.
Real Marxists are murdering atheists and thieves.
That’s extremely silly. What left-wing rag did you hear about this “runaway wealth” effect in? Ask some lottery winners and Hollywood stars about that one. There have been plenty who made millions and lost it all due to poor management. In a capitalist society, your class is what you make of it. New people become millionaires every day. You’re not stuck anywhere and there is no such thing as a “wealth effect” that puts you in a lower class. If anything, rich people help give poor people a chance at upward mobility by investing their money and making startup capital available to entrepreneurs.
Haven’t there been other comments by this Pope that he has not addressed later? If this Marxism comment was the only one, would Rush have gone off on it so harshly? /rhetorical
You are right. To be fair, though, they all seem (or at least the big names) go on and on about themselves, how they’ve suffered (Hannity) or how smart they are (Savage). Then there’s Laura Ingraham and her “cute” childrens’ anecdotes.
"The bottom line: 29 million, or 0.6% of those with any actual assets under their name, own $87.4 trillion, or 39.3% of all global assets."
These assets don't do a thing for those on the lower rungs of society.
a rising tide lifts all boats but when you print money and cause undue inflation that theory doesn’t hold water. The real crime here isn’t capitalism; it’s the transfer of wealth (from the poor to the rich)through quantitative easing and other inflationary policies
Does the Pope respond to Rush?
The Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I dont feel offended. ...Pope Francis
(17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
(19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
(18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
(11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
(12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Of course the assets help everybody else out. That is the money that’s lent to other people, that pays salaries, that does research and development, that starts businesses, that builds homes, invests in companies... It would help to know what form the assets are in, but I would guess a lot of that is the value of companies those people own, like Walmart. And obviously successful companies create satisfied customers every single day.
The question is always how was the money or wealth acquired? In our country, we can be generally confident that it was earned by producing goods and services. If someone Bill Gates or Steve Jobs makes a brilliant product that millions of people buy, of course they’re going to accumulate a lot of wealth. But not only was nobody not hurt in the process, they gained the use of some really innovative products. Without the profit motive, those products would never have been made.
Pope Francis and Capitalism
By Walter E. Williams
Pope Francis, in his apostolic exhortation, levied charges against free market capitalism, denying that “economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world” and concluding that “this opinion ... has never been confirmed by the facts.” He went on to label unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny.” Let’s look at the pope’s tragic vision.
First, I acknowledge that capitalism fails miserably when compared with heaven or a utopia. Any earthly system is going to come up short in such a comparison. However, mankind must make choices among alternative economic systems that actually exist on earth. For the common man, capitalism is superior to any system yet devised to deal with his everyday needs and desires.
Capitalism is relatively new in human history. Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. With the rise of capitalism, it became possible to amass great wealth by serving and pleasing your fellow man.
Capitalists seek to discover what people want and produce and market it as efficiently as possible as a means to profit. A couple of examples would be J.D. Rockefeller, whose successful marketing drove kerosene prices down from 58 cents a gallon in 1865 to 7 cents in 1900. Henry Ford became rich by producing cars for the common man.
Both Ford’s and Rockefeller’s personal benefits pale in comparison with that received by the common man by having cheaper kerosene and cheaper transportation. There are literally thousands of examples of how mankind’s life has been made better by those in the pursuit of profits.
Here’s my question to you: Are people who, by their actions, created unprecedented convenience, longer life expectancy and a more pleasant life for the ordinary person — and became wealthy in the process — deserving of all the scorn and ridicule heaped upon them by intellectuals, politicians and now the pope?
Let’s examine the role of profits but first put it in perspective in terms of magnitude. Between 1960 and 2012, after-tax corporate profit averaged a bit over 6 percent of the gross domestic product, while wages averaged 47 percent of the GDP. Far more important than simple statistics about the magnitude of profits is its role in guiding resources to their highest-valued uses and satisfying people.
Try polling people with a few questions. Ask them what services they are more satisfied with and what they are less satisfied with. On the “more satisfied” list would be profit-making enterprises, such as supermarkets, theaters, clothing stores and computer stores. They’d find less satisfaction with services provided by nonprofit government organizations, such as public schools, post offices and departments of motor vehicles.
Profits force entrepreneurs to find ways to please people in the most efficient ways or go out of business. Of course, they can mess up and stay in business if they can get government to bail them out or give them protection against competition. Nonprofits have an easier time of it.
Public schools, for example, continue to operate whether they do a good job or not and whether they please parents or not. That’s because politicians provide their compensation through coercive property taxes. I’m sure that we’d be less satisfied with supermarkets if they, too, had the power to take our money through taxes, as opposed to being forced to find ways to get us to voluntarily give them our earnings.
Arthur C. Brooks, president at the American Enterprise Institute and author of “Who Really Cares,” shows that Americans are the most generous people on the face of the earth. In fact, if you look for generosity around the world, you find virtually all of it in countries that are closer to the free market end of the economic spectrum than they are to the socialist or communist end. Seeing as Pope Francis sees charity as a key part of godliness, he ought to stop demonizing capitalism.
FREE ENTERPRISE THE FAIREST SYSTEM, KEY TO ENDING POVEERTY -
Arthur Brooks AEI
May 18, 2012
By Peter Samuel
Briefs poverty free enterpise aei
The (biggest) recipients of the blessings of free enterprise are the poor themselves. How do I know it?
Go back to 1970, and compare 1970 around the world to today. It turns out that between 1970 and 2010 the worst poverty in the world - people who live on one dollar a day or less - has decreased by 80 percent. You never hear about that.
It is the greatest achievement in human history, and you never hear about it.
80 percent of the worlds worst poverty has been eradicated (in 40 years.)
That has never ever happened before.
So what did that? What accounts for that?
US foreign aid?
The International Monetary Fund?
It was globalization, free trade, the boom in international entrepreneurship. In short it was the free enterprise system, American style, which is our gift to the world.
...I will assert and defend the statement that if you love the poor, if you are a good Samaritan you must stand for the free enterprise system, and you must defend it not just for ourselves but for people around the world.
It is the best anti-poverty measure ever invented.
A somewhat late post I admit, but hear my take on it:
Capitalism has obvious flaws. The problem with socialism, however, is that the adherents see no flaws in it whatsoever. Where you see flaws, you are able to correct them. Where you don’t, you aren’t. Flaws that go ignored don’t go away, they just get bigger. Hense the failure of socialism whenever it is atempted.
To quote a couple English prime ministers, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of everyone else’s money. And that Capitalism is the worst system except for all the other ones.