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SNOWDEN: NSA'S INDISCRIMINATE SPYING 'COLLAPSING'
AP ^ | December 17, 2013 | Bradley Brooks

Posted on 12/17/2013 6:40:24 AM PST by Biggirl

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden wrote in a lengthy "open letter to the people of Brazil" that he's been inspired by the global debate ignited by his release of thousands of National Security Agency documents, and that the NSA's culture of indiscriminate global espionage "is collapsing."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathtospies; edwardsnowden; nsa; snowden; spying; wikileaks
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Sure looks more and more like a "spy fiction movie" this Snowden stuff.
1 posted on 12/17/2013 6:40:24 AM PST by Biggirl
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2 posted on 12/17/2013 6:43:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The NSA just got a big body blow yesterday in court ruling.


3 posted on 12/17/2013 6:45:37 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Is that to say that the Snowden releases are fiction or that it is coming too close to fiction for comfort?


4 posted on 12/17/2013 6:46:34 AM PST by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Sure sounds like the latter, just like watching a spy movie.


5 posted on 12/17/2013 6:48:54 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t need to know what the FISA court is doing. After all, secret courts have a long, wonderful, proud history! What could POSSIBLY go wrong?


6 posted on 12/17/2013 6:54:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Anything the govt is doing in secret is never good for the citizenry.


7 posted on 12/17/2013 6:58:57 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Travis McGee

They’ll never stop the collection. How would you ever know they were still doing it? This ruling is meaningless.


8 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:14 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Biggirl

Just my opinion, but the politicians let the NSA run loose, and this is the inevitable result.

I’m not calling Snowden a hero, he’s but a player in this Sci-Fi drama who reached his breaking point.


9 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:41 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

i think he is a hero.


10 posted on 12/17/2013 7:04:18 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Travis McGee

Rubber Stamp Court FISA. There isn’t much they turn down.


11 posted on 12/17/2013 7:05:32 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: Biggirl

A smaller government would need fewer secrets. Just saying...


12 posted on 12/17/2013 7:05:57 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: GOP Poet

no! he is a traitor, a national threat. He has damaged our poor sweet government. \s


13 posted on 12/17/2013 7:09:33 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Anything the govt is doing in secret is never good for the citizenry.

The hell you say! The Secret Court just informed me that I am to report to Jackson Correctional for a crime. They won't tell me what the crime was, and I never knew there was even a trial... but I trust them! They clearly are doing this for the good of America! Secret Courts RULE!!!

14 posted on 12/17/2013 7:12:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

“They won’t tell me what the crime was, and I never knew there was even a trial... but I trust them! “

I always knew there was something “secretly” fishy about you. :-)


15 posted on 12/17/2013 7:17:32 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Biggirl

It is not collapsing. It will not stop, no matter what the courts might say or Congress or even the President. It is technologically possible. It will be done. At some point they may claim that it has stopped but that would not be a true statement.


16 posted on 12/17/2013 7:20:13 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I have three Secret Koi in my Secret Pond out back. Will you feed them while I serve my Secret Sentence at an Undisclosed Location for and Unnamed Crime that I was convicted of at an Unannounced Trial? Thanks!


17 posted on 12/17/2013 7:20:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Biggirl

The NSA took a big loud air slap.The NSA, if ordered to cease will simply do a better job of vetting its employees and contractors.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 7:21:42 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: CodeToad

I think they have about a 99% automatic approval rate, and the other 1% gets approved a day later.


19 posted on 12/17/2013 7:22:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl
I would like to think that he is merely trying to force this administration's hand with this open letter. It seems like they're just kind of sitting on him.
20 posted on 12/17/2013 7:24:22 AM PST by TheDandyMan (Mosin-Nagant. Period.)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve had several dealings with FISA and know they understand that FISA is just so the government can say they had a warrant. The only litmus test they use is, “Can this be overturned in a public court?” That’s it.


21 posted on 12/17/2013 7:24:48 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: Biggirl

It is critical for conservatives to know that the NSA is *not* alone in conducting 4th Amendment violating surveillance against the American public.

The FBI used to use a system called CARNIVORE, to monitor all email and electronic communications, but because of the public outcry broke it into subsystems that are FAR more powerful and invasive. The largest of these subsystems is called NarusInsight, made by Narus, a wholly owned subsidiary of Boeing.

The FBI and Secret Service also have access to the commercial systems data stream, based in CALEA, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (1994), which creates back doors in communications and Internet companies, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.

DHS runs ADVISE (Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight, and Semantic Enhancement), a massive data mining system, that takes vast amounts of surveillance data and tries to link it together. (Thus proving that you are just five degrees away from Kevin Bacon or Osama bin Laden.)

DHS also runs 72 “fusion centers”, where data from numerous government agencies, including the CIA, Department of the Census, FBI, the Pentagon, HHS, Education, and Depts of “you name it”, are all shared, guaranteeing that vast amounts of totally bogus and worthless data about you are not just shared, but copied perfectly. “Our records indicate that you are a 103-year-old black woman. You cannot prove otherwise.”

PRISM - Finally the NSA gets involved. (PRISM is a government codename for a data collection effort known officially as US-984XN.)


22 posted on 12/17/2013 7:30:33 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: Biggirl
I heard some guy yesterday calling Snowden a traitor...yada yada yada.

The fella indicated Snowden should have gone to his direct reports/superiors to express his concerns. If that did not give results, Snowden should have gone to his congressman and claimed whistleblower status.

Yea, right. I thunk to my-seff. Snowden would be Brietbarted if he'd taken that route and he damn well knew it.

I think Snowden did the American people a HUGE service. This gubbamint needs the big ol reset button.

Ya don't trample the rights of the people, shred the constitution to catch a few rag heads with underwear fireworks...come on.

I fully support Snowden. He will turn out someday to be an American hero against an out of control federal behemoth.

23 posted on 12/17/2013 7:33:09 AM PST by servantboy777
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Gimme a ticket to Moscow (I'll fly coach) and an M-14.I'll shut him up for good.
24 posted on 12/17/2013 7:36:53 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: servantboy777

The fella indicated Snowden should have gone to his direct reports/superiors to express his concerns. If that did not give results, Snowden should have gone to his congressman and claimed whistleblower status.

Yea, right. I thunk to my-seff. Snowden would be Brietbarted if he’d taken that route and he damn well knew it.
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The thing that struck me so forcefully the first day I heard this, was that Snowden would have been able to see who was dirty or clean in all three branches of government. He DID NOT FIND ONE PERSON that would be clean and trustworthy at the top of the Executive, Judicial or Congressional branches. Sort of takes one’s breath away.


25 posted on 12/17/2013 7:44:20 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You are a fool or agent provocateur. Give me a face to face with you. I don’t need no stinkin firearms to let you know what I think of you.


26 posted on 12/17/2013 7:45:10 AM PST by at bay ("no warrant shall be issued except upon probable cause")
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Punishing Snowden is a great way to discourage anyone else from coming forward to warn us when they find out about secret federal government tyranny and constitutional violations.

So many people inside the government knew and looked the other way. Snowden risked everything to tell the American people the truth. He’s a hero.


27 posted on 12/17/2013 7:46:27 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Biggirl

Except the judge delayed his verdict and instead offered his opinion because he believes the gov’t will appeal. So, AFAIC, it was a big, fat, nothing burger.


28 posted on 12/17/2013 7:49:09 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Biggirl
I think Snowden must have some VERY damaging information on these people. Otherwise, why would they be wanting to make a deal with him?

Of course if he does make a deal he will wind up dead in an "accident".

Sure, I trust the government. Like I trust a scorpion.

29 posted on 12/17/2013 7:55:44 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Biggirl

This is not a movie. He literally holds the tools to destroy our entire intelligence apparatus. For good, ill, or otherwise.


30 posted on 12/17/2013 8:20:36 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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This is not a movie. He literally holds the tools to destroy our entire intelligence apparatus. For good, ill, or otherwise

True enough. Personally, I'm calling it an overall win for the American people. I care not what his motivations are. Ultimately, throwing light on the "national security" apparatus is good for us.

 

31 posted on 12/17/2013 8:51:18 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Chickensoup
Uh....yea!

Read an article this morning in regards to the courts ruling on NSA spying likely unconstitutional.

Larry Klayman, one of the fellas that filed the suit is now indicating the spooks are jacking with his private accounts, JUST TO LET HIM KNOW, they can reach out and touch him.

WOW! Now that's F’d up right there. Here's the founder of Judicial watch, attempting to protect the American people against an out of control gubbamint...and he gets intimidated by the NSA.

Are we really FREE?

32 posted on 12/17/2013 9:09:35 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Biggirl

The NSA has become the enemy of the citizens of this county. I’m for Snowden.


33 posted on 12/17/2013 10:32:55 AM PST by bkopto
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“Larry Klayman, one of the fellas that filed the suit is now indicating the spooks are jacking with his private accounts, JUST TO LET HIM KNOW, they can reach out and touch him.”

I knew some people in the USSR who were targeted by spooks just to send a message.

Back then they would break into the target’s home without a trace and do subtle things that only the target would notice. Swapping silverware, moving furniture, etc. Just to show they know everything about you and can get you any time.

It feels more like my former home here every day...


34 posted on 12/17/2013 10:33:42 AM PST by varyouga
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I dunno. This Snowden feller is a DANGEROUS reactionary. One of his colleagues told us that Snowden used to keep a copy of the Constitution on his desk at work...


35 posted on 12/17/2013 10:44:13 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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The NSA just got a big body blow yesterday in court ruling.

Nah. Reid & O**** just got done stacking the DC Courts of Appeals, where the injunction is being appealed.

36 posted on 12/17/2013 10:45:30 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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At least the NSA will be at least weakened.


37 posted on 12/17/2013 10:46:49 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gay State Conservative; at bay; JediJones
Gimme a ticket to Moscow (I'll fly coach) and an M-14.I'll shut him up for good.

Don't forget to wipe your bum with the copy of the Constitution that Snowden keeps around, urinate on it, and then burn it.

You'll have imitated your owners perfectly...

38 posted on 12/17/2013 10:50:57 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Biggirl

There IS that. :-)


39 posted on 12/17/2013 10:51:51 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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Otherwise, why would they be wanting to make a deal with him?

Because he's giving away all our intelligence to Russia.

Amazing how few people get this. A guy who seeks refuge in Russia and Venezuela is now a hero? Get real.

40 posted on 12/17/2013 11:25:17 AM PST by what's up
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To: Biggirl

bkmark


41 posted on 12/17/2013 12:33:18 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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“Except the judge delayed his verdict and instead offered his opinion because he believes the gov’t will appeal. So, AFAIC, it was a big, fat, nothing burger.”

I agree. Much sound and fury amounting to nothing. The judge made a ruling and then chose not to enforce it. From the NSA’s perspective, nothing happens until the appeal winds it’s way through the courts which will likely be several years from now.

The court ran interference.


42 posted on 12/17/2013 12:37:42 PM PST by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: Biggirl

Snowden, neither Hero nor Traitor, but I am glad he came out with this stuff.


43 posted on 12/17/2013 12:47:13 PM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: kiryandil

If he does that, he could put it in a bottle and call it art and sell it.


44 posted on 12/17/2013 1:04:56 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: what's up

He’s got real dirt on the surveillance networks. If it gets disseminated to them, it goes to the media, and gets on air, and damages this administration. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.


45 posted on 12/17/2013 1:06:06 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Biggirl
The NSA just got a big body blow yesterday in court ruling.

It's nothing they can't and won't ignore.

46 posted on 12/17/2013 1:06:07 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: CodeToad

They turn down lots of stuff, only they can’t tell you about it because it’s a secret./sarc


47 posted on 12/17/2013 1:11:41 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Biggirl

It still has to go to the Robert’s court.

And then there is the enforcement of the decree. In short, since we no longer operate under the rule of law, I don’t have a lot of hope in getting this stopped.


48 posted on 12/17/2013 1:14:14 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lazamataz
The hell you say! The Secret Court just informed me that I am to report to Jackson Correctional for a crime. They won't tell me what the crime was, and I never knew there was even a trial... but I trust them! They clearly are doing this for the good of America! Secret Courts RULE!!!

Crap. They called me also. Do you want the top bunk?
49 posted on 12/17/2013 1:15:15 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Biggirl

Something like only 1% of the documents have been released.

FED supposedly have been trying to negotiate non-prison terms for return of the unreleased documents.

Considering the spying revelations AFTER Snowden fled the country, no telling what those unreleased documents contain. There may be plenty of sweating in Washington, awaiting the next chapter.


50 posted on 12/17/2013 1:27:18 PM PST by TomGuy (.)
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